digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 No, and his cap hit is 6.8 million despite his 4.3 million salary...Sundin 6.8McCabe 5.5Kubina 5.0Gill 2.2Raycroft 2.2Five players; 21.7 million. Is that a core of superstars? I would argue its not. With the exception of Sundin, these are average players at BEST, getting overpaid. And that's not a good thing.Of course, the Leafs may choose not to pick up 2007-08 as I believe it's a team option. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Of course, the Leafs may choose not to pick up 2007-08 as I believe it's a team option. Sorry, I left out Kaberle, who I believe is ALMOST worth his 5.1 for next season.That makes SIX players, 26.7 million. 22 million left to the projected cap. If you pencil in your role players at an average salary of 1 million, that means the leafs can sign 17 players and have five million left to divide up amongst a couple of them to improve the quality. Unless, of course, you resign Tucker at 3 million (that's where he and the leafs are negotiating), then you have 7 players at 30 million. 18 million left for 16 players. Looking good.... Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Sorry, I left out Kaberle, who I believe is ALMOST worth his 5.1 for next season.That makes SIX players, 26.7 million. 22 million left to the projected cap. If you pencil in your role players at an average salary of 1 million, that means the leafs can sign 17 players and have five million left to divide up amongst a couple of them to improve the quality. Unless, of course, you resign Tucker at 3 million (that's where he and the leafs are negotiating), then you have 7 players at 30 million. 18 million left for 16 players. Looking good....Kubina at $5 million for this season and each of the next 3 seasons has to be one of the worst contracts in the league. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 Sorry, I left out Kaberle, who I believe is ALMOST worth his 5.1 for next season.That makes SIX players, 26.7 million. 22 million left to the projected cap. If you pencil in your role players at an average salary of 1 million, that means the leafs can sign 17 players and have five million left to divide up amongst a couple of them to improve the quality. Unless, of course, you resign Tucker at 3 million (that's where he and the leafs are negotiating), then you have 7 players at 30 million. 18 million left for 16 players. Looking good....u can spin it anyway you want...Kaberle , Mccabe and kubina are all good at what they do...just watch...thats all Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 u can spin it anyway you want...Kaberle , Mccabe and kubina are all good at what they do...just watch...thats all No, serge.... spinning is DISTORTING the facts... these are just black and white numbers. So YOU spin it anyway you like. The bottom line will never change. Link to post Share on other sites
nell789 0 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 No, and his cap hit is 6.8 million despite his 4.3 million salary...Sundin 6.8McCabe 5.5Kubina 5.0Gill 2.2Raycroft 2.2Five players; 21.7 million. Is that a core of superstars? I would argue its not. With the exception of Sundin, these are average players at BEST, getting overpaid. And that's not a good thing.Raycroft is worth 2.2 Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Raycroft is worth 2.2 As long as you dont shoot high glove on him. Or go forehand backhand in a shoot out. Seriously, tho, I will admit Raycroft has been slightly better than I actually expected. Is he worth 2.2 million? sure. Is he a front line NHL starting goalie? Nope. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Kubina at $5 million for this season and each of the next 3 seasons has to be one of the worst contracts in the league.true. i'll give raycroft his 2.2, and kaberle 5.1. sundin gets a pass because...i said so.mccabe is overpaid but kubina's is a joke. even without mccabe, kubina's contract would be a joke, but 5 million for a second line defencemen who can't turn around is not just a mistake, it makes you wonder if the guys in charge have any cliue. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I actually believe the Leafs are in better shape than most teams in the eastI'd be laughing right along with you if not for the fact that you're perfectly serious. The fact that a large portion of the Sabres roster is only signed through this season doesn't mean they won't be coming back, it just means they won't *all* be coming back. Even if they can only resign 75-80% of their present roster, and supplement the rest with cheaper talent from Rochester, the Sabres will still be leaps and bounds ahead of the Leafs. Signed beyond this season: Spacek, Miller, Afinogenov, Kotalik, Lydman, Tallinder, Connolly, Campbell, Pominville, Gaustad, Kalinin. In my estimation, the players the Sabres will be most concerned about in the offseason are Briere, Hecht, Drury, Roy, and Vanek. I don't think Numminen will be coming back, unless he accepts a lot less money to stay with the Sabres for the rest of his career. Biron won't be coming back, saving the Sabres his $2+ million salary. Briere won't be back at his current salary, hopefully he'll take a lesser offer to help keep the bulk of the team together. If push comes to shove, resigning Drury is more important to the health of the team than resigning Briere. The other guys on 1-year deals are mostly the role players (Adam Mair, Nathan Paetsch, Andrew Peters) who shouldn't be difficult to resign or replace. Of those, resigning Paetsch will be the priority, since he'll be called upon to take Numminen's spot in the starting 6. Now...tell me again how Toronto is in better shape? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I'd be laughing right along with you if not for the fact that you're perfectly serious. The fact that a large portion of the Sabres roster is only signed through this season doesn't mean they won't be coming back, it just means they won't *all* be coming back. Even if they can only resign 75-80% of their present roster, and supplement the rest with cheaper talent from Rochester, the Sabres will still be leaps and bounds ahead of the Leafs. Signed beyond this season: Spacek, Miller, Afinogenov, Kotalik, Lydman, Tallinder, Connolly, Campbell, Pominville, Gaustad, Kalinin. In my estimation, the players the Sabres will be most concerned about in the offseason are Briere, Hecht, Drury, Roy, and Vanek. I don't think Numminen will be coming back, unless he accepts a lot less money to stay with the Sabres for the rest of his career. Biron won't be coming back, saving the Sabres his $2+ million salary. Briere won't be back at his current salary, hopefully he'll take a lesser offer to help keep the bulk of the team together. If push comes to shove, resigning Drury is more important to the health of the team than resigning Briere. The other guys on 1-year deals are mostly the role players (Adam Mair, Nathan Paetsch, Andrew Peters) who shouldn't be difficult to resign or replace. Of those, resigning Paetsch will be the priority, since he'll be called upon to take Numminen's spot in the starting 6. Now...tell me again how Toronto is in better shape?Apparently there's no buzz like the buzz you get from watching a Leafs' playoff game. I won't argue this point because apparently Serge is still high and the Leafs haven't played a playoff game since 2004. Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 more importantly, how will this affect someone (me) who owns Bergeron in the FCHL?Dunno.. likewise I'm not sure what that does to Poti. It might cut into his minutes but maybe they will get some synergy going (like Pronger-Niedermayer -- but only half as good). Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Dunno.. likewise I'm not sure what that does to Poti. It might cut into his minutes but maybe they will get some synergy going (like Pronger-Niedermayer -- but only half as good).If the Islanders stay in the thick of the race I'm sure they'll keep Poti. If they start to fade I wouldn't be surprised to see Poti dealt. He's an unrestricted free agent at season's end and makes $2.75 million this season. He should be expecting a pay cut wherever he ends up. It wouldn't surprise me if Buffalo tried to get him before the trade deadline.I think the Islanders got Bergeron because they want him to QB the PP. Link to post Share on other sites
coesillian 0 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 The habs are going to have to move Rivet Markov or Sourray because we are going to have trouble resigning all of them at the end of the season. Rivet is worthless and I'd rather have Markov. Sourray's daughter lives in LA so he'll probably want to get closer to her. So I predict a blockbuster trade by the habs including Sourray and some prospects, maybe to San Jose... Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 The habs are going to have to move Rivet Markov or Sourray because we are going to have trouble resigning all of them at the end of the season. Rivet is worthless and I'd rather have Markov. Sourray's daughter lives in LA so he'll probably want to get closer to her. So I predict a blockbuster trade by the habs including Sourray and some prospects, maybe to San Jose...I'd love to see them resign Markov and move Souray and Rivet. I'm not so certain Markov wants to resign with Montreal though. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I'd love to see them resign Markov and move Souray and Rivet. I'm not so certain Markov wants to resign with Montreal though.Markov would love to go play in Washington with his best buddy, Alex O... Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Markov would love to go play in Washington with his best buddy, Alex O...They're already on the same team, The Big M's Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Khabibulin earning a million and a half more per season than Brodeur is pretty retarded. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 Khabibulin earning a million and a half more per season than Brodeur is pretty retarded.I agree...At the time of the signing though Khabibulin was considered at least top 3 in the NHL Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Heh, whoops. I meant to post that in the ridonkulous contracts thread. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 No, and his cap hit is 6.8 million despite his 4.3 million salary...Sundin 6.8McCabe 5.5Kubina 5.0Gill 2.2Raycroft 2.2Five players; 21.7 million. Is that a core of superstars? I would argue its not. With the exception of Sundin, these are average players at BEST, getting overpaid. And that's not a good thing. I have to correct myself again... the cap hit for McCabe for next season is actually 7.1 MILLION........ I had to check twice.... makes the deal even more ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites
Vertigo 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 I agree...At the time of the signing though Khabibulin was considered at least top 3 in the NHLAnd when, in the last 10 years, has Brodeur not been? Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Curtis Joseph has offered to move to any team if the deal helps the Coyotes..... Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Curtis Joseph has offered to move to any team if the deal helps the Coyotes.....Not surprising. This guy is a class act. Link to post Share on other sites
fleung22 1 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Not surprising. This guy is a class act.I think it's more of a "I know I'm out so I'll take a job anywhere" move. Cujo ain't half the goalie he used to be with the Leafs. Link to post Share on other sites
BearCanada 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Bobby Ryan to Atlanta for Slave Kozlov and a 1st round pick.... Ok, so there is no truth to that rumor but that would be good for the Cheap Thieves!Burke pretty much said every offer he's recieved he's told the GM to shove it where the sun don't shine. He doesn't want to mortgage the future on a rental. Atlanta has a good thing going to I think they will try and keep their core together, all they really need is D for a cup run.-Bear Link to post Share on other sites
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