GABMAD 0 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I have a tight/agressive image at the table. Villain is donkey on sharkscope and is loose.PokerStars Game #8410248885: Tournament #42864986, $110+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/02/12 - 18:41:25 (ET)Table '42864986 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: GabeTheKid (1295 in chips) Seat 2: DaMaKa (2710 in chips) Seat 5: RokinRT (3070 in chips) Seat 6: jhub3000 (1925 in chips) RokinRT: posts small blind 25jhub3000: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to GabeTheKid [Kc Ks]GabeTheKid: raises 75 to 125DaMaKa: folds RokinRT: calls 100jhub3000: folds *** FLOP *** [3h Ah 7h]RokinRT: checks GabeTheKid: bets 250RokinRT: calls 250*** TURN *** [3h Ah 7h] [9d]RokinRT: bets 950GabeTheKid: ???? Link to post Share on other sites
GABMAD 0 Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 I have a tight/agressive image at the table. Villain is donkey on sharkscope and is loose.PokerStars Game #8410248885: Tournament #42864986, $110+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/02/12 - 18:41:25 (ET)Table '42864986 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: GabeTheKid (1295 in chips) Seat 2: DaMaKa (2710 in chips) Seat 5: RokinRT (3070 in chips) Seat 6: jhub3000 (1925 in chips) RokinRT: posts small blind 25jhub3000: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to GabeTheKid [Kc Ks]GabeTheKid: raises 75 to 125DaMaKa: folds RokinRT: calls 100jhub3000: folds *** FLOP *** [3h Ah 7h]RokinRT: checks GabeTheKid: bets 250RokinRT: calls 250*** TURN *** [3h Ah 7h] [9d]RokinRT: bets 950GabeTheKid: ???? Link to post Share on other sites
GABMAD 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 I have a tight/agressive image at the table. Villain is donkey on sharkscope and is loose.PokerStars Game #8410248885: Tournament #42864986, $110+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/02/12 - 18:41:25 (ET)Table '42864986 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: GabeTheKid (1295 in chips) Seat 2: DaMaKa (2710 in chips) Seat 5: RokinRT (3070 in chips) Seat 6: jhub3000 (1925 in chips) RokinRT: posts small blind 25jhub3000: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to GabeTheKid [Kc Ks]GabeTheKid: raises 75 to 125DaMaKa: folds RokinRT: calls 100jhub3000: folds *** FLOP *** [3h Ah 7h]RokinRT: checks GabeTheKid: bets 250RokinRT: calls 250*** TURN *** [3h Ah 7h] [9d]RokinRT: bets 950GabeTheKid: ???? Link to post Share on other sites
Socrates 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I have a tight/agressive image at the table. Villain is donkey on sharkscope and is loose.PokerStars Game #8410248885: Tournament #42864986, $110+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/02/12 - 18:41:25 (ET)Table '42864986 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: GabeTheKid (1295 in chips) Seat 2: DaMaKa (2710 in chips) Seat 5: RokinRT (3070 in chips) Seat 6: jhub3000 (1925 in chips) RokinRT: posts small blind 25jhub3000: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to GabeTheKid [Kc Ks]GabeTheKid: raises 75 to 125DaMaKa: folds RokinRT: calls 100jhub3000: folds *** FLOP *** [3h Ah 7h]RokinRT: checks GabeTheKid: bets 250RokinRT: calls 250*** TURN *** [3h Ah 7h] [9d]RokinRT: bets 950GabeTheKid: ????1. While you may think you have a TAG image (like everyone else claims) - not everyone will see it that way. I don't like the 2x raise, leaves you guessing as to what the blinds could have and this flop illustrates the point - You can't know where you are here. In this situation I'd probably have to lay it down just because you're lost in the hand and invited way too many marginal hands in with the weak pf raise. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Nope. I don't like the bet on the flop either. Lead for 1/2 size of the pot. Link to post Share on other sites
GABMAD 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 1. While you may think you have a TAG image (like everyone else claims) - not everyone will see it that way. I don't like the 2x raise, leaves you guessing as to what the blinds could have and this flop illustrates the point - You can't know where you are here. In this situation I'd probably have to lay it down just because you're lost in the hand and invited way too many marginal hands in with the weak pf raise.Why does everyone hate the 2.5 x BB raise? I always use it when it's short handed or HU. I love it personally. He wont callme if I raise it by an extra half blind? If he calls the 2.5x BB raise he'd call the 3x BB raise. Link to post Share on other sites
GABMAD 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 Nope. I don't like the bet on the flop either. Lead for 1/2 size of the pot.Look at the board. It's really weak if you bet 1/2 pot on a 3 flush board. I would raise it the same way if I had AK with no heart, why become so obvious and readable? Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Why does everyone hate the 2.5 x BB raise? I always use it when it's short handed or HU. I love it personally. He wont callme if I raise it by an extra half blind? If he calls the 2.5x BB raise he'd call the 3x BB raise.So why not just raise the 3x then? Don't you want more money in there when you're way ahead? Link to post Share on other sites
goose 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I'm not calling this at Level III... I might even have checked the flop and c/f'ed the turn... it's a really weak line, I know, but given the pot is <300 and without the Kh in your hand this is a great place for you to go broke thinking he might not have the ace (or an unlikely two pair/set) and hopes he doesn't hit a heart.edit: just noticed it was 6 handed, not 10 sorry.... yeah I bet this flop and c/f the turn.... just not worth it when you still have an M of around 13 which will, especially short handed, let you back into this. Link to post Share on other sites
GABMAD 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 So why not just raise the 3x then? Don't you want more money in there when you're way ahead?I raise to 2.5x BB when I steal as well. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Why does everyone hate the 2.5 x BB raise? I always use it when it's short handed or HU. I love it personally. He wont callme if I raise it by an extra half blind? If he calls the 2.5x BB raise he'd call the 3x BB raise.It's short handed. If you're not going to bet enough to get max value preflop then you have to be willing to fold.You're only beating a flush draw here. Link to post Share on other sites
mb5322 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I vote for posting it in the proper forum to get the answer your looking for. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I vote for posting it in the proper forum to get the answer your looking for.and convert the hand Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Look at the board. It's really weak if you bet 1/2 pot on a 3 flush board. I would raise it the same way if I had AK with no heart, why become so obvious and readable?Lol, it's not weak. It's smart. You lose less when you're behind, and you're still overcharging him to draw in case he has a naked heart. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 BMR (by my read) he either has an A that feels better without a fourth flush card on the board, or he flopped the flush, set or the 9 is his set card. You raised preflop and followed it up with a bet with an A on the board. He has to fear 88+ and Ax here, yet he calls the flop and leads the turn. He's either suicidal or has the goods. Link to post Share on other sites
Socrates 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Why does everyone hate the 2.5 x BB raise? I always use it when it's short handed or HU. I love it personally. He wont callme if I raise it by an extra half blind? If he calls the 2.5x BB raise he'd call the 3x BB raise.Ok - so would you have rather won the blinds or give up the extra 250 chips? This is along the lines of a tourney I played earlier today. I saw AA and KK get cracked 5 times due to ppl playing the 2x, 2.5x raise. They would get all of their money in dead on the turn and then complain about people making calls out of the blinds with suited gappers or with hands like K8 suited on the button preflop and then getting out flopped and losing all their chips. It's funny how online players seem so willing to increase their risk to ridiculous amounts in order to try and win a big pot. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 i'm foldingI would assume at worst he has a heart draw. But I'd give him credit for ax Link to post Share on other sites
Dice_3008 1 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Ok - so would you have rather won the blinds or give up the extra 250 chips? This is along the lines of a tourney I played earlier today. I saw AA and KK get cracked 5 times due to ppl playing the 2x, 2.5x raise. They would get all of their money in dead on the turn and then complain about people making calls out of the blinds with suited gappers or with hands like K8 suited on the button preflop and then getting out flopped and losing all their chips. It's funny how online players seem so willing to increase their risk to ridiculous amounts in order to try and win a big pot.I have a friend who does exactly what you just said. Opens with a small raise usually followed by a weak flop and turn bet. Then he will bet big on the river when everybody in the hand has his A-A crushed. This is always followed up by a lecture why we shouldn't call with bad hands like 7-8. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I have a friend who does exactly what you just said. Opens with a small raise usually followed by a weak flop and turn bet. Then he will bet big on the river when everybody in the hand has his A-A crushed. This is always followed up by a lecture why we shouldn't call with bad hands like 7-8.Loooooove me some 78. Link to post Share on other sites
goose 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 2-3x BB raise is fine once in a while to mix it up, especially if you've got the guy who'll call pegged as weak/tightish and you can extract a reasonable pot from him if he makes top or middle pair and check/calls it down, and you can get away from a dangerous board or if your opponent showing strength.SS2's quote is used so often but it bears repeating: "aces/kings will win you smaller pots or lose you big ones"I don't have a problem with his raise in this instance if we know the potential callers aren't overly aggressive or tricky. Link to post Share on other sites
Pixelation 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Preflop i raise 150-200 depending on how loose the table is.As played, easy fold on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Not overly keen on the small pre-flop raise. As you said, if you think you will be called if you bet another 50, why not bet that much?He may be a donkey, well clearly he is.. cold calling from SB, (Unless he is trapping you), but after he has called your continuation bet - which is a good bet - on the flop, I am done with the hand 90% of the time... only situation I am not, is if I have a real wicked spot on read.Just one of those spots where you've got to accept that a passive player most likely outdrew you on the flop. It's not a profitable play to pursue this hand with the Kings. You also don't have a heart for any re-draw.Blinds are 25/50, so you still have an ok stack to get back into the game if you lay it down.-- Note: I saw both of your stats on Sharkscope, and maybe part of the reason that you found it harder to lay down (if you did?) was actually the fact that you can see he's terrible, and that you are a way better player than him? This happens to me sometimes. If I see a player with a bad record, I give them less credit for a real hand sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites
DCJ001 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 1. While you may think you have a TAG image (like everyone else claims) - not everyone will see it that way. I don't like the 2x raise, leaves you guessing as to what the blinds could have and this flop illustrates the point - You can't know where you are here. In this situation I'd probably have to lay it down just because you're lost in the hand and invited way too many marginal hands in with the weak pf raise.It's a 2 1/2x BB raise.You'd better tell Daniel your feelings about the proper raise multiple since his standard preflop raise is 2 1/2x BB and you obviously disagree with him. Link to post Share on other sites
MoTownJ5 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Possibly the easiest fold ever? What are you beating? You say the guy is a donkey, just wait untll next time its level 3. You dont have good enough odds to call anyway. If he is bluffing he'll try again next time and you'll have him. Link to post Share on other sites
AWaaz 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 1. While you may think you have a TAG image (like everyone else claims) - not everyone will see it that way. I don't like the 2x raise, leaves you guessing as to what the blinds could have and this flop illustrates the point - You can't know where you are here. In this situation I'd probably have to lay it down just because you're lost in the hand and invited way too many marginal hands in with the weak pf raise. QFT Link to post Share on other sites
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