bdc30 0 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Absolute PokerNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t1500/t3000(Ante: t200)8 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: t132425UTG+1: t127117.50MP1: t98110MP2: t44020CO: t38418.75Button: t12180SB: t294018.75BB: t75063.75Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG with 2 2 Hero calls t3000, 3 folds, CO calls t3000, Button folds, SB raises to t9000, BB folds, Hero calls t6000, CO calls t6000 .Flop: 3 9 3 (t31600, 3 players)SB is all-in t284818.75, Hero???The sb here is in the chip lead of the tourney, we're already itm with about 24 players left. It's a $1 rebuy. I'm a little bit above average stack, but a double up here puts me easily in the top 3 and allows me to cruise to the final table. I'm not all that concerned about the CO, if he has me beat, oh well, but do we think SB is making this big of an overpush with a made hand? Do we see this same play with a whiffed AK that doesn't want to be called? Is this an insta-muck preflop utg? I was playing this hand at 545am and probably wasn't playing my sharpest...lol Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 stacks are deep enough to see a flop, but it would take a really strong read to call off in this spot. i agree that it looks like he doesn't want to get called at all, but some people freak out with overpairs too. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I think we should consider it, but it's tough to be sufficiently confident in the read to make this +EV. Mostly because we aren't that far ahead of AK anyway. Board: 3c 9d 3sDead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 60.429% 59.97% 00.45% 9500 72.00 { 2d2h }Hand 1: 39.571% 39.12% 00.45% 6196 72.00 { AKs, AKo } Link to post Share on other sites
cubbybri 0 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I can understand WANTING to call this but you cannot do it IMO. I say he likely to have 44+ in this situation. If he is paying attention (I assume everyone is until given new info). You limped in UTG and called his raise. I would hope he would put you on a good hand. I think he is on a high pair I'm guessing 99-JJ and bullying you on fact he can beat small pairs and he thinks you have something like a AK -AJ.And even if he is a dingle nut, you are up against OCs. If you know he's full of crap, then you might of had enough this late in the night and called but I think he has you. Link to post Share on other sites
irishguy 14 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I think you are often ahead here but the problem is you aren't ahead by much. You've got a big enough stack to find a better spot. Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I think you are often ahead here but the problem is you aren't ahead by much. You've got a big enough stack to find a better spot.I agree with this. You are ahead on this most of the time on these plays but you are sent to the rail if you are wrong or he hits. If you had him covered, I think it's an insta-call. As it is, I would wait for a better spot. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Deuces are useless unless they are up against two players holding AK and QQ respectively and you were the first to push all-in. Get out now or be forever labelled "crazy". Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I don't know why everyone thinks we are often ahead. I can see him having almost any PP and then maybe AJ+. I fold and don't think twice about it. But like others have said if you are right and call off all of your stack you win 62% of the time, if you're wrong you win 10%. Link to post Share on other sites
irishguy 14 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I don't know why everyone thinks we are often ahead. I can see him having almost any PP and then maybe AJ+. I fold and don't think twice about it. But like others have said if you are right and call off all of your stack you win 62% of the time, if you're wrong you win 10%. I say were often ahead here for a few reasons one being that its a $1 tourney. Another being that what sort of hands does villain raise from the blinds with? I think we can rule out small to mid pairs with this info so I likely narrow his range to big pairs or AJ+. There is so little value with the open shove from big pairs but again its $1 tourney. I've seen this play so many times at lower levels with AJ+ its astounding. As I said though I fold it. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Looks like a fairly easy fold to me. If we had a higher underpair, then I think it's a little closer. With the paired board our hand is far too likely to be counterfeited. Even if he has two overcards, we're only 60% to win the hand. It's a weird play, but we are in very good shape with an M of 20 after we fold. We can definitely find a better spot to try and double. Link to post Share on other sites
anyone1 0 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Yes you are insane, donk-crazy! Don't be the guy that calls off the chips with ducks. Especially since there are so many hands to which you are drawing semi-dead and even if you're not he still has two overs and can counterfeit you with the quickness.Come on bro, seriously. Link to post Share on other sites
SlackerInc 0 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I'm the type to be suspicious of my opponents and itch to look them up. But I've been getting this tendency under better control lately (well, except that top two pair thread, lol) and it has helped my results. I think it was that guy they call "The Grinder" (given name escapes me) whose advice was "don't be afraid to lay down what might be the best hand". This can be taken too far of course (and I think Phil Hellmuth for one does take it too far and gets taken advantage of as a result); but it's often something to think about when facing an overbet. That is, if you have a decent stack still and the blinds aren't too high, just walk away and outplay your opponents in future pots. Link to post Share on other sites
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