**official Mma Thread**

[hank213 1,823]

Fight Science on National Geographic Channel is looking at MMA fighters tonight. They usually test things like striking power using modified crash test dummies. Might be kind of interesting.They guys they'll be studying:RuttenCoutureListerOrtiz

[jayboogie 0]

As I read this last paragraph from you all I could think of was I need more alcohol in my system as well. How many drinks does it take to think this way and actually type it out for the world to read? You can't be serious. GSP is untouchable ATM. Serra was extremely fortunate to land the right hook the way he did, otherwise GSP would still be the undisputed champion. Serra will not come close in the rematch (if it ever happens) and Penn will not either when they have that rematch. Penn will not be able to handle the quickness and cardio and takedown defence that GSP improves on with each new fight. The loss to Serra was best thing to happen for GSP and the worst thing for the rest of the fighters in the weight class because now he will never take a fight lightly. The title is GSP's for many years to come.

No fighter in the world is untouchable. Anything can happen in a fight, so to think anybody is untouchable is just silly. GSP is one of my favourite fighters, so it's nothing against him when I pick BJ over him. Anyone that trains and fighters themselves know BJ is the most talented fighter in the world. Saying Serra got lucky is just stupid, that's like saying anybody that lands a knockout punch just got lucky. I think GSP will beat Serra, but Serra gives everyone a tough fight, so I don't expect GSP to walk right through him either. To me, all GSP has improved on is his wrestling. His striking has always been good, but not amazing and the same thing with his BJJ. On the other hand, Penn's BJJ is flat out amazing and his stand-up is probably better too. What basically proved this is GSP trying to take BJ down after BJ beat the crap out of him in the 1st Rd while standing. If you watched the first fight, can you honestly say GSP did any damage whatsoever? He basically took down an exhausted BJ and just laid on top of him to squeak out a decision. What makes you think GSP can do anything really different in a rematch against a focused and in shape BJ? GSP has better kicks, but BJ has the better hands. GSP's chin is questionable whereas we know BJ has an amazing chin. The reason I favour BJ is because he has so many more ways to win the fight than GSP does. The only way I see GSP winning is by grinding out a boring lay and pray decision like he did last time. I can see BJ beating GSP in quite a few ways.

[jayboogie 0]

We need to discuss the fight that is coming up in a week.Feel free to share ideas. Current lines, etc.Not an easy one......Right now JC and I are leaning toward Mir with the line the way it is. As will as Silvia with the line the way it is.If anyone has new info, don't hesitate to post. And again, any input is good input regarding these fights and undercards.

The UFC must be really confident that Lesnar will win, because they've invested quite a bit of money in promoting him. We all know the fight will end up on the ground with Lesnar on top, it's just a matter of whether Mir can catch him in a submission off his back or not. Personally, I don't like betting on this fight at all, because many scenarios can happen and Mir is a hot and cold fighter. Sometimes, he looks great and other times looks like crap.I would also pick Nog to beat Sylvia, but it's not worth betting at the current odds. There may be some value on Sylvia, but I think Nog wins the fight still. Nog has good boxing and a great chin, so he won't be scared to stand with Sylvia and I think he will get in close enough for the takedown and get the fight to the ground. If it gets to the ground, it's a wrap.

[KDawgCometh 2]

Holy shit. Look UFN 13 fight card:Kenny Florian v. Joe LauzonKaro Parisyan v. Thiago AlvesMatt Hammil v. Stephan BonnarClay Guida v. Samy SchiavoSpencer Fisher v. Marcus AurelioJosh Neer v. Din ThomasAnthony Johnson v. Tommy SpeerIt's way better then your average pay-per-view. Any card with Guida is that already but you get it.

that is a sick card. I honestly can't believe that they are giving that card away for free

We need to discuss the fight that is coming up in a week.Feel free to share ideas. Current lines, etc.Not an easy one......Right now JC and I are leaning toward Mir with the line the way it is. As will as Silvia with the line the way it is.If anyone has new info, don't hesitate to post. And again, any input is good input regarding these fights and undercards.

steve, what are the current lines. I'm not working tommorrow and will be available after 10 cst on wednesday night. IM me and hopefully I can give better advice then I gave last time

[PrtyPSux 0]

+150 for Silvia -180 Nog+105 Mir -135 LesnarI like Mir as a fav in this fight and think Silvia is a coinflip if Nog looks as bad as he did in his first fight and Silvia looks as good as he did in his last.The rest of the card is good too I just don't know wtf the lines are.

[AimHigher 0]

+150 for Silvia -180 Nog+105 Mir -135 LesnarI like Mir as a fav in this fight and think Silvia is a coinflip if Nog looks as bad as he did in his first fight and Silvia looks as good as he did in his last.The rest of the card is good too I just don't know wtf the lines are.

I hope Mir humiliates Lesnar. I really don't want a bunch of ex-steroid abusers coming in and thinking that just because they wrestled in college they have the credentials to make it in MMA.

[irishguy 14]

I hope Mir humiliates Lesnar. I really don't want a bunch of ex-steroid abusers coming in and thinking that just because they wrestled in college they have the credentials to make it in MMA.

You are aware that Lesnar began training in BJJ many years ago contemplated going into MMA before continuing his final year of college. I assume you are also aware the he has never once tested positive for steroids and was a two time NCAA champion not just some random college wrestler. His credentials are similar to those of what Couture, Henderson and many others had when they first entered the sport. Not saying he's going to light the UFC on fire but his credentials certainly make it reasonable that he get a shot.

[jayboogie 0]

+150 for Silvia -180 Nog+105 Mir -135 LesnarI like Mir as a fav in this fight and think Silvia is a coinflip if Nog looks as bad as he did in his first fight and Silvia looks as good as he did in his last.The rest of the card is good too I just don't know wtf the lines are.

The Lesnar/Mir line has dropped quite a bit from when the match was first made. There's just too many uknown variables in this fight for me to pick a side. For instance, I have no idea how good Lesnar's submission defense is, which is going to be the key to this fight. This is Lesnar's 2nd pro fight and a huge step up in competition, so who knows how he will fight on the big stage. Mir looks like absolutely trash sometimes and great others. He really has not looked right since his motorcycle accident.I think Nog looked fine in his fight against Herring. He just got clipped with a headkick and that was really all Herring did all fight. The rest of the fight Nog outboxed and dominated the fight.

[Actuary 3]

this card aint bad either.UFC 82, March 1Champ Anderson Silva vs. Dan Henderson (for middleweight title) Jon Fitch vs. Chris Wilson Yushin Okami vs. Evan Tanner Andrei Arlovski vs. Jake O’Brien Heath Herring vs. Cheick Kongo PRELIMINARY CARDDavid Bielkheden vs. Diego Sanchez Dustin Hazelett vs. Josh Koscheck Chris Leben vs. Alessio Sakara Luke Cummo vs. Luigi Fioravanti Jorge Gurgel vs. John Halverson

[KDawgCometh 2]

+150 for Silvia -180 Nog+105 Mir -135 LesnarI like Mir as a fav in this fight and think Silvia is a coinflip if Nog looks as bad as he did in his first fight and Silvia looks as good as he did in his last.The rest of the card is good too I just don't know wtf the lines are.

JC, don't touch the mir/lesnar fight as far as +EV betting goes. like jay said, just way too many variables in this fight to bet with any sort of confidence. Mir hasn't looked like the same fighter after his motorcycle accident and while Lesnar may be the real deal, we just don't know wtf his deal is(obviously he won't fade in the face of stardom as he's done pro wrestling in front of bigger crowds(yes I know different animal, but Japanese Puro is different then WWE and Lesnar was a big draw for New Japan too) but we just don't know where his level is yet). bet nog, bet nog hard. Silvia has never been all that, and Nog picked apart Alecksander Emilienko and Fedor's brother IMO is a better fighter then Silvia. Nog had only the head kick that messed with him and yet he still recovered and then picked apart herring. Anytime that Silvia has gone up against a ground guy with the game that Nog has, he's been picked apart(expect for Monson, but Jeff Monson is also a 5'8" HW, so its unfair as it was evident in that fight that the Height factor was massive). Nog is arguably the best HW fighter in the world and I really can't see Silvia beating him(in fact, I'll put up a prop bet on this one, I'll send someone a nice bottle of wine if they want the silvia side of this, and they would send me a nice bottle of vino if silvia loses)

You are aware that Lesnar began training in BJJ many years ago contemplated going into MMA before continuing his final year of college. I assume you are also aware the he has never once tested positive for steroids and was a two time NCAA champion not just some random college wrestler. His credentials are similar to those of what Couture, Henderson and many others had when they first entered the sport. Not saying he's going to light the UFC on fire but his credentials certainly make it reasonable that he get a shot.

this is very true. Lesnar was a olympic quality wrestler and if it wasn't for the fact that PRIDE, New Japan Pro Wrestling, WWE, and WCW had all given him huge contract offers, he most likely would've gone to the 04 olympics in freestyle and would be going to bejing this summer in it. He was a dominant wrestler and I was utterly impressed with him when I saw him wrestle. He is far from a hack and has a lot of skill, we just don't know if he can translate it to the octagon

[PrtyPSux 0]

bet nog, bet nog hard. Silvia has never been all that, and Nog picked apart Alecksander Emilienko and Fedor's brother IMO is a better fighter then Silvia. Nog had only the head kick that messed with him and yet he still recovered and then picked apart herring. Anytime that Silvia has gone up against a ground guy with the game that Nog has, he's been picked apart(expect for Monson, but Jeff Monson is also a 5'8" HW, so its unfair as it was evident in that fight that the Height factor was massive). Nog is arguably the best HW fighter in the world and I really can't see Silvia beating him(in fact, I'll put up a prop bet on this one, I'll send someone a nice bottle of wine if they want the silvia side of this, and they would send me a nice bottle of vino if silvia loses)

This is what people said about Vera vs Tim, I bet tim and won huge getting odds on him....and as far as pride guys go its what people said with crocop vs Gonzaga AND Kongo, shogun vs Forrest, Silva vs Chuck and a bunch of other pride superstars that have turned out to be a huge joke. Aside from rampage and possibly henderson I think we've seen how overrated these guys are. Tim is a 5 time champ (I think), his akward style and massive size makes him a tough guy for anyone, not to mention he's lost 1 fight since 05 and it was vs Couture. I'm not saying Nog won't win, or that he doesn't have a chance, I'm just saying you're once again hugely overestimating the line, 1.8 to one is too much to lay on Nog imo. Just the fact that Tim has fought in the octagon for title shots a million times more than minotauro auto puts him at an advantage, at the very least in more of a coinflip situation.

[jayboogie 0]

This is what people said about Vera vs Tim, I bet tim and won huge getting odds on him....and as far as pride guys go its what people said with crocop vs Gonzaga AND Kongo, shogun vs Forrest, Silva vs Chuck and a bunch of other pride superstars that have turned out to be a huge joke. Aside from rampage and possibly henderson I think we've seen how overrated these guys are. Tim is a 5 time champ (I think), his akward style and massive size makes him a tough guy for anyone, not to mention he's lost 1 fight since 05 and it was vs Couture. I'm not saying Nog won't win, or that he doesn't have a chance, I'm just saying you're once again hugely overestimating the line, 1.8 to one is too much to lay on Nog imo. Just the fact that Tim has fought in the octagon for title shots a million times more than minotauro auto puts him at an advantage, at the very least in more of a coinflip situation.

I wouldn't be so quick to say the Pride guys are all overrated. Weird stuff happens when it comes to fighting and outside factors, injuries play a huge part. Shogun had a knee injury going into his fight with Forrest. Cro Cop just has not adapated to the cage and isn't able to cut fighters off like he can do in a ring. With Nog's style, I don't think the cage will matter all that much. The cage favours wrestlers more than anyone else and I don't see Sylvia trying to take Nog down. In Tim's last fight, Vera broke his hand and was coming off a 11 month layoff which I'm sure impacted the fight. Vera was not fighting the way he normally does. Nog has also fought the better competition and is just an awesome fighter overall. I believe Nog is the better fighter and has a good style to combat what Syvia does, whereas I can only see Tim winning a boring close decision. I wouldn't bet on Nog at those odds either, but I wouldn't bet against him either.

[steve7stud 0]

Well, here's the thing. I've done really well on the last two UFC's that I went to.UFC with Chuck vs Vanderlei and UFC TUF finale.The TUF finale JC and I only made one real mistake and that was kind of my fault. But we did well on the card overall.The UFC with Chuck. I won 4-5 which is pretty huge. Here is the bottom line. A lot of the picks that I made were close ones. And I always get this feeling like I "could" go either way. Except for the Chuck and GSP fight. I felt very confident in those picks.They made a big deal about Sok coming to the UFC as well. Not as much as Lesnar, but they had huge hopes for the kid. And Machida crushed him. Just dominated. I took Machida in that fight btw.Sometimes you have to make "thin" decisions. A lot of people will say that this fight is too close to call and I wouldn't bet on it, etc.I have a pretty good idea of most peoples thoughts regarding the main card.Lets talk about the undercard. Forget about the lines, because I can't seem to find them.Just tell me who you think is going to win.......

[KDawgCometh 2]

This is what people said about Vera vs Tim, I bet tim and won huge getting odds on him....and as far as pride guys go its what people said with crocop vs Gonzaga AND Kongo, shogun vs Forrest, Silva vs Chuck and a bunch of other pride superstars that have turned out to be a huge joke. Aside from rampage and possibly henderson I think we've seen how overrated these guys are. Tim is a 5 time champ (I think), his akward style and massive size makes him a tough guy for anyone, not to mention he's lost 1 fight since 05 and it was vs Couture. I'm not saying Nog won't win, or that he doesn't have a chance, I'm just saying you're once again hugely overestimating the line, 1.8 to one is too much to lay on Nog imo. Just the fact that Tim has fought in the octagon for title shots a million times more than minotauro auto puts him at an advantage, at the very least in more of a coinflip situation.

wait, did you just make a comparison between vera and Nog? They are two different fighters and Nog is miles ahead of Vera as far as ground game and pure boxing goes. This isn't a coinflip IMO as Nog is just that much better. Couture imposed his will on Silvia and Mir did the same thing. It's difficult to fully say that the PRIDE guys are over rated as the main one that people can point to is Shogun, but like Jay said, he had a torn ACL going into that fight and FOrrest was also a good 15 lbs heavier then Shogun. That stuff makes a big difference. Don't forget that Anderson Silva was a PRIDE fighter. Obviously I can't say much about CroCop, I think he just doesn't really care at this point.

[steve7stud 0]

wait, did you just make a comparison between vera and Nog? They are two different fighters and Nog is miles ahead of Vera as far as ground game and pure boxing goes. This isn't a coinflip IMO as Nog is just that much better. Couture imposed his will on Silvia and Mir did the same thing. It's difficult to fully say that the PRIDE guys are over rated as the main one that people can point to is Shogun, but like Jay said, he had a torn ACL going into that fight and FOrrest was also a good 15 lbs heavier then Shogun. That stuff makes a big difference. Don't forget that Anderson Silva was a PRIDE fighter. Obviously I can't say much about CroCop, I think he just doesn't really care at this point.

Ok. Pretty solid on the Nog line. I think Nog is a great fighter as well. I do wonder if he is past is prime though. Obviously Nog is a more complete fighter than Tim. I will have to see what the line is.Lets talk about the undercard........

[gatortom64 1]

From Bodog 1/30/08UFC 81 - Light Heavyweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (8:15pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500David Heath -270 Tim Boetsch +210 UFC 81 - Welterweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (8:15pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Keita Nakamura -265 Rob Emerson +205 UFC 81 - Middleweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (8:30pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Terry Martin -220 Marvin Eastman +180 UFC 81 - Welterweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (9pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Chris Lytle -600 Kyle Bradley +400 UFC 81 - Middleweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (10:05pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Ricardo Almeida -130 Alan Belcher EVEN UFC 81 - Lightweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (10:05pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Tyson Griffin -450 Gleison Tibau +300 UFC 81 - Middleweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (10:30pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Nate Marquardt -225 Jeremy Horn +185 UFC 81 - Heavyweights Feb 2nd (11pm EST) Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira -165 Tim Sylvia +135 UFC 81- Heavyweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (11:30pm EST) @ The Pearl, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Brock Lesnar -140 Frank Mir +110 Elite XC MMA - Heavyweights- 16th Feb (11.15pm EST) Miami, Florida Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Kimbo Slice -450 Tank Abbott +300

[KDawgCometh 2]

From Bodog 1/30/08UFC 81 - Light Heavyweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (8:15pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500David Heath -270 Tim Boetsch +210 UFC 81 - Welterweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (8:15pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Keita Nakamura -265 Rob Emerson +205 UFC 81 - Middleweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (8:30pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Terry Martin -220 Marvin Eastman +180 UFC 81 - Welterweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (9pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Chris Lytle -600 Kyle Bradley +400 UFC 81 - Middleweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (10:05pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Ricardo Almeida -130 Alan Belcher EVEN UFC 81 - Lightweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (10:05pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Tyson Griffin -450 Gleison Tibau +300 UFC 81 - Middleweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (10:30pm) @ Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Nate Marquardt -225 Jeremy Horn +185 UFC 81 - Heavyweights Feb 2nd (11pm EST) Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira -165 Tim Sylvia +135 UFC 81- Heavyweights - Sat, Feb 2nd (11:30pm EST) @ The Pearl, Nevada Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Brock Lesnar -140 Frank Mir +110 Elite XC MMA - Heavyweights- 16th Feb (11.15pm EST) Miami, Florida Both must fight for action. Singles Only. Max $500Kimbo Slice -450 Tank Abbott +300

those would be the bets I would make. I don't know enough about the first match to make a good betI wouldn't bet rob emerson at all. He just isn't a UFC level fighter, but he is entertaining. I just think he has way too many weaknesses at this point to be worth a betI think the eastman/martin fight is definitely a case of people seeing martin a lot in teh UFC and not knowing enough about marvin eastman. Eastman is going to be a big MW and is a very heavy puncher and can take a beating too. He has a lot of experience and is a bit of a journeyman, but when has Martin gone up against a guy that has the toughness that Eastman does. I'm not sold on martin fully, but he has had some serious highlight reel KOsI think the lytle line is excessive, but I just can't see Lytle losing that fight and I don't think that there is enough of a deal on it to make it a good betAlmeida is an excellent fighter and Belcher will be a tough test, but again, Almeida is an excellent fighter and I've always thought that he can take it to the next levelI think we've all learned not to bet against tyson griffen, and it'll be a good fightI think taht Horn is good value here. marquardt should win, but Horn is very tricky and will force the pace of the fight. I think he can catch marquardt to get a submission enough to make that betI've already said why I'd bet Nog and why I wouldn't touch the Lesnar fight

[jayboogie 0]

Nog is only 31, so I would doubt that he is past his prime. He's still beaten top competition in recent years, beating Josh Barnett and Fabricio Werdum. It seems like the Nog/Sylvia line is shifting towards Sylvia. At around -150 ish, I think Nog is a good bet.Gleison Tibau is very good value at +300 imo. He has excellent BJJ and I think the fight will end up on the ground like all of Tyson's fights. I still favour Tyson to win this fight, but wouldn't be surprised if Tibau pulled it off with a submission or wins a close decision.Almeida is an awesome fighter, who has beaten some very good fighters. He's coming off a 3 1/2 year layoff though, so I'm hesitant on picking him to win. Eastman/Martin is an interesting fight. They both have very questionable chins, Martin's being probably worst. I think this fight will come down to who lands the big punch first. Marquardt/Horn, I expect Nate to beat Horn via decision. He has better stand-up and probably equal ground to Horn.

[ol'number7 0]

+150 for Silvia -180 Nog+105 Mir -135 LesnarI like Mir as a fav in this fight and think Silvia is a coinflip if Nog looks as bad as he did in his first fight and Silvia looks as good as he did in his last.The rest of the card is good too I just don't know wtf the lines are.

Here are the lines from Pinnacle:UFC 81 -Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada: Heavyweights Sat 2/2 Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 08:30 PM 271 Brock Lesnar -151 272 Frank Mir +141 Sat 2/2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs Tim Sylvia 08:00 PM 291 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira -179 292 Tim Sylvia +169 UFC 81 -Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada: Light Heavyweights Sat 2/2 David Heath vs Tim Boetsch 05:10 PM 332 David Heath -231 333 Tim Boetsch +211 UFC 81 -Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada: Lightweights Sat 2/2 Tyson Griffin vs Gleison Tibau 07:05 PM 327 Tyson Griffin -351 328 Gleison Tibau +321 UFC 81 -Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada: Middleweight Sat 2/2 Nate Marquardt vs Jeremy Horn 07:30 PM 323 Nate Marquardt -241 324 Jeremy Horn +221 Sat 2/2 Terry Martin vs Marvin Eastman 05:30 PM 331 Terry Martin -201 332 Marvin Eastman +181 UFC 81 -Mandalay Bay Events Center, Nevada: Welterweights Sat 2/2 Chris Lytle vs Kyle Bradley 05:45 PM 329 Chris Lytle -526 330 Kyle Bradley +476 Sat 2/2 Keita Nakamura vs Rob Emerson 05:10 PM 334 Keita Nakamura -241 335 Rob Emerson +221 Seems a lot of money is coming in on Lesnar lately, I hope it keeps going that way because I'm going to wait til after the weigh-ins to see what kind of shape Mir is in -- if he's in shape, I'm going to fire. He is tailor-made to beat Lesnar, as a heavyweight who excels at fighting from his back with submissions

[Actuary 3]

this thread was more enjoyable when it was not about the bet.imo.can't wait.

[irishguy 14]

Here are the lines from my sports book:Jeremy Horn 3.20 Nate Marquardt 1.30 Frank Mir 2.00 Brock Lesner 1.72 Tim Sylvia 2.20 Antonio Rodrigo 1.61 Chris Lytle 1.14 Kyle Bradley 5.00 David Heath 1.40 Tim Boetsch 2.75 Gleison Tibau 3.50 Tyson Griffin 1.25 Marvin Eastman 2.75 Terry Martin 1.40 Ricardo Almeida 1.66 Alan Belcher 2.10

[Yoda 1]

Here are the lines from my sports book:Jeremy Horn 3.20 Nate Marquardt 1.30 Frank Mir 2.00 Brock Lesner 1.72 Tim Sylvia 2.20 Antonio Rodrigo 1.61 Chris Lytle 1.14 Kyle Bradley 5.00 David Heath 1.40 Tim Boetsch 2.75 Gleison Tibau 3.50 Tyson Griffin 1.25 Marvin Eastman 2.75 Terry Martin 1.40 Ricardo Almeida 1.66 Alan Belcher 2.10

uhhh, I don't get it.

[irishguy 14]

uhhh, I don't get it.

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[Yoda 1]

check out sportsinteraction.com I'm deeply in love w this site

I actually used them for a couple years before I got money on bodog, I like the site too.I just don't get those lines - what does that mean. How do you know which is the favorite and what the payout is with those numbers? We need -180 +150!

[jayboogie 0]

I actually used them for a couple years before I got money on bodog, I like the site too.I just don't get those lines - what does that mean. How do you know which is the favorite and what the payout is with those numbers? We need -180 +150!

1.61 odds means an X amount you bet times 1.61 equals your payout.eg. $1 bet equals $1.61 payout. Total Profit of $.61.