**official Mma Thread**

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A million, more like 15-20 million or more for some of their fights. I just don't see how with MMA crushing boxing in PPV buys can they be getting paid so much less than boxers. I mean if one of those low level guys gets paid 6k, how long does that really last him? That's two months for me on a shoestring budget. With the gym fees, insurance, etc etc they have to pay out of pocket its amazing those guys can make a living.

The sponsorships are disgustingly good. I read at some point that Josh Koscheck was getting somewhere in the ballpark of $150,000 a year from one sponsor. But the point remains the same - they're drastically underpaid.

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The sponsorships are disgustingly good. I read at some point that Josh Koscheck was getting somewhere in the ballpark of $150,000 a year from one sponsor.

What's he up to?Will he bounce back or was getting completely dominated in his world too much to handle?

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oh, and does anybody in this thread other than me actually watch these fights just for the enjoyment? all you guys talk about is betting.

hello

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What's (Koscheck) up to?Will he bounce back or was getting completely dominated in his world too much to handle?

Hopefully gone for good. I can't stand that boring sonofabitch. If I never have to watch him dry hump one of his opponents for 15 minutes again I'll die a happy man. The good news is that he's established himself as no match for GSP, and Serra and Hughes will be gone as gatekeepers by the end of the year so I don't know how he'll get himself back in the title picture. The welterweight division is in a really weird position right now. Right now the GSP/Serra match will be a huge one, and the Serra/Hughes match will be huge. If Serra wins against Hughes he gets a money rematch against GSP, if he loses against Hughes everyone writes him off as a fluke and they put him in a Randy Couture position where he does commentary and guest spots on TUF. That holds them over for most of the year, but then where do you go? Anyone interested in GSP/Hughes IV? Anyone else look like a contender against GSP? Maybe Diego Sanchez could submit him? Jon Fitch could...I'unno?Booking the UFC over the next year is going to be tough, which is shocking considering that PRIDE is gone and all their top guys are looking for work. If Nogueira beats Tim Sylvia (he will, right?), then that sets up a potentially interesting match with Nog against the winner of Gonzaga vs. Werdum and a handful of other interesting fights. It'll also be interesting to see how long Nog can keep the belt if he's going to fight off of his back in America. I think Dana has to be pulling for Brock Lesnar to win against Frank Mir in a convincing fashion, because Brock is incredibly marketable. Big guy who looks like he should be an ultimate fighter, and was a decent promo in the WWE. Plus he's the one guy in the UFC heavyweight division who isn't completely tainted at this point. Maybe feed Heath Herring to Brock, then Werdum to make sure that his BJJ is up to par before the title match with Nog. Light heavyweight is on hold until we resolve the next season of the Ultimate Fighter with Griffin and Rampage. Where does Chuck go from here? Anyone comfortable feeding him Rua? Wanderlei showed that he's marketable last night, and that he still has some fight left in him. They'll need to rehabilitate him somehow - maybe send Rashad Evans his way for a beating? Machida looking strong against Sokoudjou has to scare Dana - Machida's potentially the most boring fighter in the UFC right now, and I don't think he speaks English. Not exactly a marketable champion. Hopefully Chuck, Wandy, Forrest, or Rampage can figure out the answer to him. This has historically been the UFC's strongest division in terms of marketability, and it looks like it'll stay that way.Silva looks incredibly strong at 185. Not sure how many times we want to see him manhandle Rich Franklin. Rumor is Michael Bisping's going to drop to 185, he might be good to receive an ass-kicking from Silva, but not much more. I can never remember who's in this division, someone should help me out. A bunch of people say that Paulo Filho (WEC Champion) is actually the baddest 185 pound man on the planet, but he and Silva are friends/on the same team or something like that and will never fight each other. I already talked about Welterweights, so on to the lightweights (aka the crappy nickname division). Roger Huerta is an exciting SOB, but I really don't think he's in the same league as BJ, Joe Stevenson, Sean "The Muscle Shark" Sherk, or maybe even Kenny "KenFlo" Florian. Huerta needs to be protected as much as possible, and his fighting style makes me nervous against any sort of strong technical striker. They should try to keep him out of the title picture as long as possible. Meanwhile we have Penn vs. Stevenson for the interim title, which is a stipulation that has always done well for the UFC. That creates an immediate war against Sherk and all sorts of rematches while we figure out who the other top lightweights in the world are.WEC's 145 pound division (what's it called) has a compelling fight coming up with Urijah Faber vs. Jens Pulver. If that fight goes well then we get a rematch and maybe a trilogy. That should be a good division, especially if a guy like Joe Stevenson or Kenny Florian can drop down there and fight. Unfortunately Faber's torn through the division so badly that it'll need some new blood.I dunno - late night thoughts of an insomniac. The business end of UFC fascinates me. Any thoughts on this? What fights did I miss? What fighters? Just trying to add some non-betting enjoyment to the thread.

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A million, more like 15-20 million or more for some of their fights. I just don't see how with MMA crushing boxing in PPV buys can they be getting paid so much less than boxers. I mean if one of those low level guys gets paid 6k, how long does that really last him? That's two months for me on a shoestring budget. With the gym fees, insurance, etc etc they have to pay out of pocket its amazing those guys can make a living.

I HATE defending boxers, but Mayweather - de La Hoya did somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 million buys. I think maybe one or two UFC shows have done 1 million, and those are generally on cards with 2 or 3 legitimate drawing fights. So certainly they don't deserve de La Hoya money. But St. Pierre and Hughes deserve FAR more than they got for this fight. Especially Matt Hughes for agreeing to fight St. Pierre, which probably cost him a big payday against Serra in a couple months.What do boxers on the undercard of a big shows like Mayweather - Hatton make? Is it comparable? I have no clue.

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What a SICKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK TIME!!!Most of the fight recap has been covered here. I went 3 for 4 in my fight picks, only losing on Wandy...meh. That was easily the sickest fight of the night. The energy in that place was CRAZZZZZZZZZZZZZY the entire time for that fight. Had a great time w/ JC and Steve. It was my 1st time meeting JC and he is really chill kid. Probably the best moment of the night was when the waitress came to our section (Clutch move #1) and brought us our drinks...JC goes "How much I owe ya..." she goes "There FREE!!" I smiled like a little school girl!!!!Double Vodka Drinks FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for triple posting - I can't sleep so ya'll can just deal ;)Sounds like ya'll had an awesome time. I'm insanely jealous. If you and JC would have listened to me and picked Liddell over Wandy you would have made tons of mobnies...although JC should have ignored my Hughes pick, that wasn't a good one ;)BigLebowski and I will wait for our 10% finder's fee on the Clementi/Guilliard bet (j/k)Still waiting for Steve's trip report.

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Sorry for triple posting - I can't sleep so ya'll can just deal ;)Sounds like ya'll had an awesome time. I'm insanely jealous. If you and JC would have listened to me and picked Liddell over Wandy you would have made tons of mobnies...although JC should have ignored my Hughes pick, that wasn't a good one ;)BigLebowski and I will wait for our 10% finder's fee on the Clementi/Guilliard bet (j/k)Still waiting for Steve's trip report.

Steve's report is in. I just got back from Vegas, and have been meaning to do this. When I'm away, I never post online.Anyway, here is what happened.........Mandalay only had 5 fights available to bet on.So, I took:Lidell, St. Pierre, Machida, Clementi, and Peleleieineverwantedtobeinthathatfightanyway.Obviously I won 4 out of 5. The bet on Palelelie or whatever his name was meant nothing to me. It was a throw away fight. Meaning I had close to no action on it. In retrospect, it was a horrible bet given the odds. And JC actually made fun of how much I stood to win, it was pretty comical.All in all, I did very well. I loved my picks, and I really liked the price I was getting on each fight. I managed to get Chuck and Machida at +#'s which was great. If I waited a bit longer I could have gotten St. Pierre at -190 vs. -230, but such is life. 4 out of 5 is huge. And all of my big bets were on on the 4 that I won with.The fights themselves were great. Our seats were amazing, especially for stand up.Sok looked huge when he came in the ring. I was kind of nervous about that fight. But Machida is such a smart fighter. The guy is always cool, calm and collected. At one point I yelled out, "How do you say..............in Brazillian". The crowd was pretty quiet, so I'm sure a lot of people heard it based on where we were sitting. I honestly can't remember what I said. But Machida had Sok on the ropes and I was getting nervous about Sok recovering. No need for me to break down each fight, you guys saw it on PPV. But being there as close as we were was about as big of a high as you can ever hope for. One of the best adrenaline rushes of my life. I'm totally addicted now, and so is JC. One thing that I realized after the fights was Dan Henderson. I thought that he was the definitive answer to Anderson Silva. I now have my doubts. Not to say that he can't win. But I wasn't impressed with his coaching, or his teammates performance. As promised there will be one on one coaching for the person who helped the most in regard to the UFC picks. JC and I decided to coach each other because we managed to pick the winners on our own. Kidding.All of the info certainly helped. So SpiderGuard and Big Lebowski get a one hour session from me, JC, and Adam. Congrats guys. We'll figure out the details..........Steve

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Sok looked huge when he came in the ring. I was kind of nervous about that fight. But Machida is such a smart fighter. The guy is always cool, calm and collected. At one point I yelled out, "How do you say..............in Brazillian". The crowd was pretty quiet, so I'm sure a lot of people heard it based on where we were sitting. I honestly can't remember what I said. But Machida had Sok on the ropes and I was getting nervous about Sok recovering.

Great report. I'm even more jealous :)That's the one thing that really hit me - I was amazed at how HUGE Sok looked on TV, especially compared to Machida. I have no idea what happened to Team Quest's guys. Henderson has made a career at beating guys who are more talented than he is with good game plans - not sure why neither of his guys could put it together and do the same.

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What do you guys think is next for Chuck? At this point in his career he is probally a 2 fight a year fighter so probally wont fight again till juneish. With Forrest and Rampage tied up with TUF those arent gonna be options. I was thinking maybe someone like Houston Alezander. Two stand up strikers would make for an intresting fight but probally wont get past the 1 minute mark either way. i deffinatly dont want to see him fight Jardine again, that one was kind of a snoozer.

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In contrast to that - the show sells for $40 on PPV, Zuffa gets about half that. So at $20 a buy * a conservative estimate of 500,000 buys, that's $10,000,000 income for Zuffa on the night, NOT including the live gate which was probably another million or so.Guys like Liddell probably get a penny or two out of each PPV buy though, so add another $100,000 to his pay...maybe the same for Vanderlei?Couture had a point - these guys don't get paid enough. Anyone think Mayweather, de La Hoya, or any of those guys even get their hands wrapped for under a million dollars?

the bonus is more then that. chuck most likely got close to 1m on the pay off and wanderlei also had to get a sizeable chunk too. Same goes for hughes and GSP. Money trickles down to the other fighters too from bonii, so base salaries are misleading. are they still under paid, yes, but you've made an incorrect assumption on what they get paid. Meltzer basically outlined the PPV bonus scale for couture recently and that same scale generally goes for the other big fighters

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What do you guys think is next for Chuck?

I wouldn't mind seeing Rashad Evans be next in line. Win/win for Dana - if Chuck wins, then he's back in the title picture. If Evans wins you have a new superstar. Alexander's not a bad fight either, although he's a bit old to be building up as a future star.As soon as Chuck gets his next loss, he becomes a gatekeeper rather than a title contender. He has a potentially good match against Machida, Sokoudjou down the line if they can rehab him...who else? Maybe Thiago Silva?

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After that fight, and the fact there was no knockout, what's the chances we'll see Chuck/Wandy II?

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I wouldn't mind seeing Rashad Evans be next in line. Win/win for Dana - if Chuck wins, then he's back in the title picture. If Evans wins you have a new superstar. Alexander's not a bad fight either, although he's a bit old to be building up as a future star.As soon as Chuck gets his next loss, he becomes a gatekeeper rather than a title contender. He has a potentially good match against Machida, Sokoudjou down the line if they can rehab him...who else? Maybe Thiago Silva?

I'd rather see Evans/Thiago fight as a set up for the a title shot. I think just for pure entertainment you can make a style fight of Alexander/Lidell, Alexander being recklessly aggressive and Chuck being a great counter guy would be entertaining.

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alright, i never post here, well, cause i know nothing really about the UFC except i like to watch. I was jsut watchign a special about it and it was saying something about a recent champion testing positive for steriod use. It never mentioned the fighter's name. Does anybody know? Thanks guys.

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After that fight, and the fact there was no knockout, what's the chances we'll see Chuck/Wandy II?

Definitely someday - but Wandy needs a couple wins first. They did a great job of building the storyline of basically "Loser Leaves Town" but they both looked so good that Wandy still has a career in the UFC. They need to give him a couple rehab fights and redo the fight in 2009.

I'd rather see Evans/Thiago fight as a set up for the a title shot. I think just for pure entertainment you can make a style fight of Alexander/Lidell, Alexander being recklessly aggressive and Chuck being a great counter guy would be entertaining.

Evans needs a win over a top guy before he should even be thinking about a #1 contender's match. Plenty of guys ahead of him in line. Even his draw against Tito was tainted by a penalty point for Ortiz if I remember correctly. I think you have Machida in line for the loser of Griffin/Rampage as a #1 contender's match, and maybe the winner of Evans/Thiago gets the loser of that fight.

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I think you have Machida in line for the loser of Griffin/Rampage as a #1 contender's match, and maybe the winner of Evans/Thiago gets the loser of that fight.

I don't think the griffon/rampage loser should be in line for an immediate jump back to #1 contender, exp if Griffon is the loser. Obviously it depends on how the fight is won, but that division is deep enough some other guys should get shots. Now that I think about it, I'd like to see a Machida/Thiago fight and the winner takes on whoever is the champ.

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alright, i never post here, well, cause i know nothing really about the UFC except i like to watch. I was jsut watchign a special about it and it was saying something about a recent champion testing positive for steriod use. It never mentioned the fighter's name. Does anybody know? Thanks guys.

Sean Sherk

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I posted something similar on another site when people were comparing conventional Boxing to MMA Boxin, the thing is that MMA fighters aren't able to look like a "skilled" boxer because of the stance an MMA fighter needs is way different than a boxer's stance...it takes away a lot of the speed and accuracy of the bunches because MMA fighters have to worry about a ton of factors other than just the punches... If you try to box "correctly" in MMA and use fancy footwork and all that you'll

.The reason they never went down is because they're stand up guys, the reason Silva didn't thai clinch Lidell like he did rampage is because he can't, these two styles will make for a backyard slugfest every time and I think it's exciting as hell. Of course, if all of the UFC fights were like this, I would hate it, but I'll take one fight like this or Forrest vs Bonner once in a while because they're exciting to watch imo.PS I'm not saying sick grappling matches aren't exciting, they are, I'll watch any fight with BJ and another ground guy... the thing is thata bad stand up fight most of the time will be more exciting than a bad ground fight imo. In this case, I think it was a sick stand up fight.

I'll give you every bit of this, and the video twice on Sunday. That was some funny stuff.

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Let me add to JC's point - quite often a fight between two good ground guys can be insanely boring, especially at the higher weight classes. Werdum vs. Gonzaga has the potential to be a great match, or a real snoozefest.I didn't know Werdum beat Gonzaga in 2003 by TKO (strikes). Interesting...I wouldn't mind seeing Werdum become a contender.

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lol I dunno why this made me laugh so much, its super stupid but I thought it was hilarious...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3e7_8-d_YQ

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I ended up betting $20 on the underdogs in each of these fights and made some good scratch. I rule~! (Not on Fedor...)Got this from another board I visit:---------------------------LEGAL rebroadcast:http://www.tvunetworks.com/downloads/download.html?id=rdb_usDownload the player and go to MMA-TV channel 61886. Prefight show is on now. Card starts at the top of the hour.----------------------------

Very nice Spider!! I don't get HDNET, but my bro in law taped it and I went to his house this morning to watch them. After both of the matches I was praying you didn't listen to me. I honestly think the Akiyama fight would have been stopped in the UFC when he dropped Masaki and unloaded two or three undefended bombs from top. I think the bad blood between them is the only reason they let this one go. I'm glad they did because what a turn of events. One day fighters will learn if they have the other guy in THAT MUCH TROUBLE and they get tied up on the ground just stand it up!!!!! D!!!! I take it EliteXC doesn't allow gi's...suprised to see Akiyama not wearing one. Melendez must have forgot to work on his takedown defense. He looked really good other than getting taken down 10 brazillion times. I thought he was fighting "the blanket" Koscheck for a bit there. When is the last time Bustamante has lived up to the hype? Every time I see that guy fight it just keeps getting more disappointing. Fedor went as expected. His faced looked like he fought someone with sandpaper gloves though. What a freakshow that fight was.

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Sorry for the long rant, but here's my rundown of the divisions starting with the small guysWEC Featherweight 145lb'ersObv Urijah vs Pulver should be a very very good fight. This division is a lot deeper than people realize. Chance Farrar, Jeff Curran, Mark Hominick, Micah Miller, and Cub Swanson are all very solid. There are about 5 others that are as good or a step below these guys. Unfortunately, I think Urijah and maybe even Pulver have them outclassed a bit. I think with how stacked the lightweight div in the UFC is you will see more of them drop the weight and move over. The rest of these are UFCLightweight (155lb)Such a deep deep division. Obv-BJ/JoeDaddy vs Sherk for the title. I think Kenny Florian is at least #4 if not #3 in this division. I simply can not believe the UFC threw Joe Lauzon to him. When he beats down Lauzon I think he gets the next title shot, even if it is against Sherk again. I mean, the guy took Sherk 5 rounds and held his own. Top ContendersRoger Huerta (undef-needs to fight one of the following), Frankie Edgar (undef), Tyson Griffin (loss to Edgar), Thiago Tavares (loss to Griffin and fighting 1/23), and Din Thomas (loss to Florian b/c freak injury) are all right up there. I think Diego Sanchez has to prove he can cut the weight OK and have at least 1 convincing win vs a quality opponent to get into this group. Too many 2nd tier guys to list.Matchups I think Huerta needs to fight one of these guys, preferably Tyson Griffin or Din Thomas. If Huerta wins he gets the next title shot. If either of the other guys win they keep moving up the ladder. I think Edgar should get the loser of BJ/JoeDaddy and if he wins he moves to the top rung.Welterweight (170lb)Another very deep division.Obv: Serra vs GSP for the title..hopefully sometime around mid-April. Swick vs Burkman 1/23 to get one of them back into the top tier. Marcus Davis vs Jess Laudin 1/19. Davis should take this one and it will move him into the top tier for sure if he isn’t already considered part of it. Top Contenders Jon Fitch(#1 contender), Mac Danzig, Matt Hughes, Josh Koscheck (I HATE putting in here-loss to GSP), Karo (loss to Sanchez-win Burkman), and Thiago Alves (loss to Fitch). Too many 2nd tier guys to list. Matchups GSP vs Hughes IV? NOOOOOOO. It has been established who is the better fighter..no doubt. I think you have to give Fitch a 2nd tier guy to avoid the inactivity before you give him the next title shot. He has already earned it. In order from earliest, he has wins against Brock Larsen (of WEC fame), Burkman, Alves, Hironaka, Fioravanti, Carneiro, and Sanchez. NO ONE in the UFC has as impressive a streak going. Hughes vs KoscheckKaro vs ThiagoDavis vs Swick/Burkman winnerMac vs Swick/Burkman loserMiddleweight (185lb)Obv- Silva vs Henderson 3/1, Patrick Cote Vs. Drew McFedries 1/23 (should be an absolute war), Jorge Rivera Vs. Kendall Grove 1/29 (can Kendall get back on track?)Top ContendersFranklin, Okami (loss to Franklin, overall meh), Nate Marquadt (loss to Silva), Martin Kampmann (wins over Leites & McFedries), Thales Leites, and Bisping (does not impress me one bit, but most would put him here).2nd TierBecause this division is meh I will add who I think are top 2nd tier guys. Kendall, Chris Leben, Terry Martin, Jason McDonald, Patrick Cote, McFedries, and Ivan Salaverry.MatchupsIf Henderson beats Silva it opens up a lot of opportunities. If Franklin beats someone like Marquadt I think I might give him a shot at Hendo. If Silva beats Henderson: Kampmann gets a win over someone like Bisping and he gets the next shot. I might even match up Kampmann and Franklin at this point. If Franklin loses though his stock will drop a good bit. Franklin vs Leben (get Franklin back on track)Kampmann vs BispingIf the UFC wants Okami out give him loser of Hendo/SilvaThales Leites vs winner of Cote/McFedriesI think Marquadt might beat anyone in the div besides Silva and Hendo…give him anyone. Light Heavyweight (205lb)Obv-Rampage vs Griffin hopefully sometime before Halloween. Griffin obv doesn’t get this shot based on his recent fighting exploits. I was actually a bit pissed when they announced this and still am. This is the only fight worth noting that has been scheduled.Top ContendersMachida, Rashad, Jardine, Chuck, Thiago Silva, a healthy Shogun, Wandy, Ortiz (can you put him here?), Brandon Vera (rumor is he is dropping down)2nd TierHouston Alexander, Bonnar, Wilson Gouveia, and SokoMatchupsI hate to leave Machida that inactive until he can get a title shot. If Dana White doesn’t give him a title shot after another win it would be a travesty. Yes, probably better for the UFC, but horrible for the sport. Isn’t this one of the reasons people now hate boxing? I think Machida definitely opened some eyes even to the casual MMA fan with his destruction of Soko. Nice to see him finally get a finish. The guys he has been fighting have wanted nothing to do with him after round 1. He is no more boring that Chuck is. If people didn't bring the fight to Chuck there would be no fight. Maybe throw him James Irvin or Alessio Sakara. I like Rashad’s record, but Bisping is his biggest win…not very impressive.Rashad vs Jardine for #1 contenderLOVE a Wandy vs Alexander matchup for all you drunken boxing fans.Chuck vs Shogun/Soko (let him run through the Pride studs b4 it’s too late)I want to see if Thiago Silva is the real deal. Sacrifice Ortiz in case he is.Shogun/Soko (whoever Chuck doesn’t fight) vs BonnarVera vs Gouveia/Lambert winnerHeavyweight (205+lb)Obv-Big Nog vs Big Nut for title. Gabriel Gonzaga Vs. Fabricio Werdum (uninspiring loss to Arlovski) 1/19. Frank Mir Vs. Brock Lesnar 2/2. Something tells me this fight is not on the up and up. Either Dana has it out for Lesnar or the fix is in. NO way you give Lesnar someone as dangerous on the ground as Mir if you have big plans for him.Top ContendersGonzaga, Arlovski, Cheick Kongo, Werdum??, Cro Cop??, Herring??2nd TierHaha, barely could fill out first tier. As sad as it sounds, that’s what we got to work withMatchupsI think Big Nut has a chance. His short punches could find a home. Have no idea if he is still training with Miletich. Hughes reminded yet again of what a dick he is by bad mouthing Big Tim in his new book.I think if Gonzaga makes Werdum look bad you have to give him another title shot. If Werdum somehow wins there is no way he should get the title shot. It would be his first UFC win.Arlovski vs Cro CopKongo vs Herring (#1 contender if Kongo wins)If Big Nog gets past Big Tim I see Gonzaga taking him down. If Gonzaga doesn’t I honestly don’t see who else has a chance (even though Herring really should have beat him)God, what a joke of a division. Who are some free agents we could sign? Overeem, Buentello, Antonio Silva, Ben Rothwell, even Kimbo would be a step in the right direction. Do you wish you could have that 15 minutes of your life back?

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Interesting read. One thing we both forgot about in our breakdowns of the future is that Mac Danzig is going to drop to 155. Could be potentially interesting.Doing Griffin vs. Rampage after the next season of TUF is potentially a horrible mistake on the UFC's part. Rampage is their most marketable champion and he's not going to be in action for many many moons.Re: Lesnar vs. Mir, I have a few thoughts. - Rumor is that Lesnar tried to negotiate for a title fight as his UFC debut. Dana said no to that obviously. Lesnar would only settle for a top opponent. They came up with Mir. - If you're Brock Lesnar and you want to hand pick a heavyweight opponent, who better than Frank Mir? If I'm a top level amateur wrestler with little/no boxing experience, I'd much rather face a jiu jitsu guy than Mirko Cro Cop or Andre Arlovski. - This is a win/win situation for Dana. If Lesnar wins, they have an instant star on their hands to lead the heavyweight division for the next 5 years. If Lesnar loses, Dana gets the satisfaction of pointing out how phony pro rasslers can't come in to the octagon and hang with a former champion well past his prime.I think this fight is actually about as good of a matchup as Brock could get (from a legitimate heavyweight), and I have no doubt that he'll win.

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Doing Griffin vs. Rampage after the next season of TUF is potentially a horrible mistake on the UFC's part. Rampage is their most marketable champion and he's not going to be in action for many many moons.

Rampages personally transfers perfectly to TUF, and those shows are filmed in a matter of two weeks and just aired over a couple months. It seems longer than it is.

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Rampages personally transfers perfectly to TUF, and those shows are filmed in a matter of two weeks and just aired over a couple months. It seems longer than it is.

The fight between Griffin and Rampage won't take place until the entire show airs, and that's the problem. Rampage is out of action for a while now.