**official Mma Thread**

[Chris E 0]

I hear the undercard was very competitive, I think I'll enjoy them more than the main card bouts.Please UFC bring in Lindland to crush Silva.

[Influcted 0]

The undercards tend to be more entertaining lately then the main events. Yesterday was awesome. All of you posters at Sherdog aswell?

[Petoria 0]

Who's the #1 contender in the middleweight division? If it was Franklin, then Silva is sick. Silva just brings so much to the table. What most impressed me about Silva was during the first round when Silva was on the ground, and it looked like Franklin would rain down a few major shots, but Silva's legs were constantly moving and Franklin couldn't do anything. I'm not sure if that's a testament to how good Silva looked or how bad Franklin looked, but that was one thing that really impressed me.As for the Sylvia fight, Vera obviously hurt his hand during the third round or at the end of the second round. If he doesn't hurt himself he wins, because he has so much talent. I guess that's why Couture is the man, he broke his arm punching a guy in the face and still won the fight.Early PPV fights were pretty weak. Probably the weakest PPV I've seen in a long time, even. The next one doesn't look that impressive either. Bisping is good and he might put together a good fight, he's just not a headliner in my opinion.

[KDawgCometh 2]

I hear the undercard was very competitive, I think I'll enjoy them more than the main card bouts.Please UFC bring in Lindland to crush Silva.

have you ever watched matt lindland fight? he is one of the more boring fighters out there and that's why he got released from teh UFC in the first place

[KDawgCometh 2]

On a side note I saw on the Score scroll yesterday that UFC has cancelled a planned January event in Montreal. Can anyone fill me in on the details?

it wasn't canceled, it was moved to april. Their show scheduling is already packed for mid dec-feb with teh TUF5 Finale, the End of the Year Big Show, a show in Newcastle Eng, and the Super Bowl show(Wanderlei/Liddell may get moved to that show to help with the gate). St. Pierre also wasn't going to be ready to go for the Montreal show in Jan, so, they made the wise decision and backed up the date so that it wouldn't be in the middle of a congested schedule and so that they could have the person that they want for the show

I dont like how Serra didn't defended his title in a timly manner. He should have fought somebody 6 months ago.

um, it hasn't been his call on when he's defended the title. Things got backed up due to a minor injury for Hughes and White wanted to schedule it around a big show along with having some extra hype coming out of TUF. TUF got backed up several weeks, so that messed with him fighting Hughes at the meadowlands. Do you honestly believe he was ducking people. It makes little sense to destroy a big money fight to risk Serra in a random defense against any schmo. it's booking 101, the goal of the promotion is to make as much money as possible, and if teh build up to a money fight takes longer, the better. It's sheer stupidity to risk losing out on that kind of money if he were to lose to someone other then St. Pierre or Hughes

[Influcted 0]

Mike Bisping isn't good and Hamill was robbed by the jury and he's really classless.

[koepsy 0]

Do you honestly believe he was ducking people. It makes little sense to destroy a big money fight to risk Serra in a random defense against any schmo. it's booking 101, the goal of the promotion is to make as much money as possible, and if teh build up to a money fight takes longer, the better. It's sheer stupidity to risk losing out on that kind of money if he were to lose to someone other then St. Pierre or Hughes

I wasn't implying that he was ducking anybody. I just wanted to see him fight sooner than it has been. I think its a mistake to wait this long just to tape a show very few people watch. If Serra fights 3 months after his title and wins again it would do more for the UFC ppv numbers than listening to him call Hughes a dick every week on TUF. I want to see him fight not coach.

[Chris E 0]

have you ever watched matt lindland fight? he is one of the more boring fighters out there and that's why he got released from teh UFC in the first place

When was the last fight of his that you watched? I take it not when he knocked out Horn standing, or his very entertaining fight with Rampage or submitting ground specialists Carlos Newton, Mike Van Arsdale or Fabio Leopoldo? If you keep up to date with what he has done you realise that he has developed and improved significantly.

[KDawgCometh 2]

I wasn't implying that he was ducking anybody. I just wanted to see him fight sooner than it has been. I think its a mistake to wait this long just to tape a show very few people watch. If Serra fights 3 months after his title and wins again it would do more for the UFC ppv numbers than listening to him call Hughes a dick every week on TUF. I want to see him fight not coach.

the bolded portion is massively wrong. TUF draws a very good rating on cable, and TUF is part of the reason why the UFC is doing the numbers it's doing. If you look at the buy rates of the UFC Pre-TUF compared to the buy rates they are doing now it's night and day.

When was the last fight of his that you watched? I take it not when he knocked out Horn standing, or his very entertaining fight with Rampage or submitting ground specialists Carlos Newton, Mike Van Arsdale or Fabio Leopoldo? If you keep up to date with what he has done you realise that he has developed and improved significantly.

I've watched his fights, and he still is a boring fighter. His fight with Rampage wasn't that entertaining at all. Citing beating two over the hill fighters too in Newton and Van Arsdale is also a bit silly as Newton hasn't been a top fighter in years and Van Arsdale never was a top fighter. I do keep up to date and have done so before you even knew what MMA was. I've followed the sport closely for 11 years. The fact is, Lindland just isn't that exciting of a fighter, and I highly doubt that he will be resigned to the UFC because of that fact

[Chris E 0]

I've watched his fights, and he still is a boring fighter. His fight with Rampage wasn't that entertaining at all. Citing beating two over the hill fighters too in Newton and Van Arsdale is also a bit silly as Newton hasn't been a top fighter in years and Van Arsdale never was a top fighter. I do keep up to date and have done so before you even knew what MMA was. I've followed the sport closely for 11 years. The fact is, Lindland just isn't that exciting of a fighter, and I highly doubt that he will be resigned to the UFC because of that fact

Wow, you thought Lindland vs Rampage was not exciting? I thought it was great. Whether or not Newton and Arsdale are at the top of their games currently is irrelevant, those fights were exciting because he completely dominated them, and finished the fights. Besides, look at some of the UFC's top draws: Tito Ortiz, Sean Sherk and even Couture. These guys are wrestlers who sometimes (or usually) do not finish fights. I did not include Matt Hughes because I think, like Lindland, he is an exciting fighter because he looks to finish.What is your definition of an exciting fight?

[grocery_mony 8]

Just saw that Wanderlei Silva/Chuck Liddel is a go for December 29th.Random thought for the day: Anderson Silva should move up to 205.

[steve7stud 0]

Just saw that Wanderlei Silva/Chuck Liddel is a go for December 29th.Random thought for the day: Anderson Silva should move up to 205.

Can't wait to see Chuck and Wanderlei fight. Both of them need a win right now. If Chuck loses again, it might be time for him to think about retiring. Ironically, Silva will be his toughest opponent imo. He could have beaten Jardine at one point in his career. Not quite sure what happened there. I also think that he could beat Rampage at one point in his career. But possibly not now. I would have to go with Silva in that fight.As far as Anderson Silva goes, the guy looked great vs. Franklin. I wasn't terribly impressed with him in his Lutter fight though. He looked ok in his fight against .Marquadt. I believe that a wrestler has the best chance of defeating Silva. Trying to stand with him is kind of silly. Franklin should have tried to take that fight to the ground every chance he got. Can't see why Silva would want to move up to 205 when he clearly is dominating 185. Could make for some interesting fights though.Actually, I'd like to see Matt Hughes, St. Pierre, or Koscheck fight Silva. I think those would all be VERY good fights.

[BigLebowski 0]

Silva is a big 185'er. He would be an extremely small 205'er and would have a huge advantage if one of those guys came up from 170. I don't see any of those scenarios happening. How can you say Silva hasn't been impressive as well? He destroyed Franklin, was mounted and took minimal damage and submitted a BB BJJ guy in Luttter, dismantled a very good fighter in Marquadt, and then destroyed Franklin again. He was not even close to being in danger in any of these fights. That's pretty darn impressive to me. Lindland wouldn't do squat against Silva. First Lutter was going to expose his ground game....and promptly got submitted after having full mount. Then Marquadt was going to expose his ground defense and promptly got pwned. Lindland has done nothing in the last two years to make me believe he would have a shot. However, I think he would be a very solid addition to the UFC even if he is on the fluffy side of blanket. I am sure I will watch the Liddell-Silva fight, but with 1/4 of the interest I would have had they been able to put it together when Chuck was champ. The guys at the UFC have more money than they know what to do with and this fight is obv all about the money. These two guys are in the twilights of their careers with the loser very likely being sent into retirement.Bisping is def not anywhere near the top of the food chain at 205. I think/hope Rashad pwns him. About Serra's in fight coaching. I keep seeing his two star students being completely clueless when they get into the ring. They are both supposedly BJJ BB's yet Serra has to continually yell instructions while they look dumbfounded in the cage. I like the guy personally and think he has the best intentions, but he def over coaches imho.

[KDawgCometh 2]

Wow, you thought Lindland vs Rampage was not exciting? I thought it was great. Whether or not Newton and Arsdale are at the top of their games currently is irrelevant, those fights were exciting because he completely dominated them, and finished the fights. Besides, look at some of the UFC's top draws: Tito Ortiz, Sean Sherk and even Couture. These guys are wrestlers who sometimes (or usually) do not finish fights. I did not include Matt Hughes because I think, like Lindland, he is an exciting fighter because he looks to finish.What is your definition of an exciting fight?

It's not about whether a guy finishes a fight that makes it exciting or not, it's how they go about things in teh fight. I consider the Sakuraba/Gracie 1 1/2 hour match to be very exciting, at the same time, I don't find Lindland to be all that exciting. Lindland is a better version of Antonio McKie.it's impossible to say what an exciting fight is, but, Matt Lindland is in very few of them, and if he is, it's because of the fighter on the other side of him. Why else do you think he hasn't be resigned by the UFC and why do you think he was dropped by them. The rampage fight was okay, but that was as good as lindland would look and that was about as bad as Rampage can look, that's not exactly a great thing.also, saying that Sean Sherk is a top draw is silly, he has headlined only 1 PPV and doesn't have a history of drawing big money at all

[gatortom64 1]

Anybody else looking forward to seeing Brock Lesnar fight?

[grocery_mony 8]

Anybody else looking forward to seeing Brock Lesnar fight?

I have a feeling he will be hyped like no other in the UFC then procede to disapoint. Having said that I do really want to see him fight just for curiousity. Dont know how much they spent on him but if it was anywhere close to what Fedor wanted I think they made a mistake. After the departure of Randy they do need a big name for heavyweights.

[KDawgCometh 2]

I doubt that they spent more on lesnar then they would've for fedor. Personally as a wrestling fan, I'm very excited to see lesnar fight, and I'm excited as a UFC and MMA fan. It's obvious that he won't go right into fighting the top fighters. He is a guy that can bring in big money for the UFC and will hopefully be a top fighter himself

[Influcted 0]

As far as Anderson Silva goes, the guy looked great vs. Franklin. I wasn't terribly impressed with him in his Lutter fight though. He looked ok in his fight against .Marquadt. I believe that a wrestler has the best chance of defeating Silva. Trying to stand with him is kind of silly. Franklin should have tried to take that fight to the ground every chance he got. Can't see why Silva would want to move up to 205 when he clearly is dominating 185. Could make for some interesting fights though.Actually, I'd like to see Matt Hughes, St. Pierre, or Koscheck fight Silva. I think those would all be VERY good fights.

Silva is a BJJ Black belt. He won't be beat on the ground.

[ShakeZuma 585]

I don't know anything about Lesner... does he have any sort of mma background at all? I just assumed he was a huge guy that they got for ratings. does he have any skill whatsoever?

[grocery_mony 8]

I don't know anything about Lesner... does he have any sort of mma background at all? I just assumed he was a huge guy that they got for ratings. does he have any skill whatsoever?

He was a succesful amature wrestler before getting into he WWE.

[KDawgCometh 2]

Silva is a BJJ Black belt. He won't be beat on the ground.

then how come he was submitted in the past to a flying heel hook? BJJ black belts have been submitted from the ground, that's a silly assumption that you have there

He was a succesful amature wrestler before getting into he WWE.

two time NCAA HW champ and would've had an extremely good shot at the olympic team if he wanted to go that route. His pro wrestling training was also with Brad Rheingans and was done in a traditional Japanese style, so he was taught submissions and submission defense when he was trained for pro wrestling before he then decided to fully train for MMA after leaving NJPW

[Influcted 0]

then how come he was submitted in the past to a flying heel hook? BJJ black belts have been submitted from the ground, that's a silly assumption that you have there

Noone ever saw that heel hook coming and it's rather impossible to avoid in that situation as it was performed perfect.

[KDawgCometh 2]

Noone ever saw that heel hook coming and it's rather impossible to avoid in that situation as it was performed perfect.

I know, but to say that he won't be beat on the ground is just way too presumptuous. Sakuraba was able to get Royce Gracie into a nasty knee bar that anyone with a normal mind would've tapped from, he also submitted two other Gracie's. Is citing Sakuraba an extreme citation, yes, but to say that Silva won't be beat on the ground is just as extreme. things happen in fights that you can't predict

[Chris E 0]

It's not about whether a guy finishes a fight that makes it exciting or not, it's how they go about things in teh fight. I consider the Sakuraba/Gracie 1 1/2 hour match to be very exciting, at the same time, I don't find Lindland to be all that exciting. Lindland is a better version of Antonio McKie.

I think the finish is the most exciting part of the fight, so I guess we just have different opinions on what is exciting. I think Lindland is exciting because he finishes fights, and until he gets that finish he is constantly working for position and gnp. I think the reason he didn't get resigned is more to do with his marketability.Silva has also been triangled by another Japanese fighter whose name escapes me.

[steve7stud 0]

Silva is a BJJ Black belt. He won't be beat on the ground.

Lets not buy into the concept that just because Silva is a BJJ black belt, he won't be submitted. I mean the mere thought of that is kind of silly imo. His strength is in his stand up, not an the ground. Just about everyone from Brazil has a BJJ black belt. I was really impressed with Silva in his last fight with Rich Franklin. But for some reason, it seems like Franklin is tailor made for Silva. I suggested to someone that they bet on Franklin in the fight. They later asked what Franklin had changed in his game in order to be able to change the outcome. Sadly, he didn't really change much. All in all, Silva is just a better fighter.But if you watch the Lutter fight, that to me was much more intersting. Lutter is much better at BJJ than Silva imo. Why on earth he waited until the last minute to try and make weight is completely beyond me. But the man was clearly only fighting at 50-60% capacity. Lutter was doing well in the fight until he gassed. He simply did not have the energy to pull of submissions. Conversely, the submission that Silva pulled off could have been easily defended if Lutter was in better shape.I've grown to like Silva a lot, but I definitely don't think he's ubeatable. Nor do I think he can't and won't be submitted.I strongly believe that a wrestler with good submission skills will be the one to beat Silva. In a few years Mike Swick would be a worthy opponent. For the time being, they need to find someone who is very good on the ground.Regardless of size, I think that St. Pierre would be able to defeat Silva.................