**official Mma Thread**

[outsider13 0]

UFC doesnt ussually throw cans guys way to build up there cfonfidence but the seem to love Vera so who knows. He will probally play a prominent role in the Phillipines card so it better be a name on the other side of the cage.

Tell that to Michael Bisping!I don't think that's a bad idea though. Vera is soooo far out of the picture that they need to give him guys like Salmon or Lambert right now. Guys that he should clearly beat, and if he loses.......well, maybe they'll regret throwing all that money when they thought he was the future of the UFC.

[jdrury12 0]

I think they REALLY want Vera to be in a huge fight int the Philippines when they go there, and I think they'll do it despite all this, I don't think he's going to just go away. A win or two and they'll push him as 'finally finding himself.'

[bmtphs05 0]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templa...96&zoneid=2gg EliteXC.

[jdrury12 0]

A turn int he right direction. These guys were doing nothing right. Lawler would be nice in the UFC again just to see some fun fights, hopefully Feijao ends up there as well. Possibly Shields too. Are these guys instant free agents?

[outsider13 0]

Wow, but really no surprise there. Yeah Shields would be good, but I don't see him doing any better than Diego Sanchez. I think he's good and is definitely improving but the UFC's WW division is quite deep at the moment. Certainly would be a great addition though.Nick Diaz? I'm not too fond of his antics, but I love to watch him fight. I'd love to see him back in the UFC.

[Jargonator 0]

Wow this is gonna be sick:UFC92Champ Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir (for interim UFC heavyweight title)Champ Forrest Griffin vs. Rashad Evans (for UFC light heavyweight title)Quinton Jackson vs. Wanderlei SilvaC.B. Dollaway vs. Mike MassenzioDean Lister vs. Yushin OkamiMustafa Al-Turk vs. Cheick KongoBrad Blackburn vs. Ryo ChonanMark Burch vs. Antoni HardonkDebating on whether to got to UFC93 in Dublin, prob worth it because who knows when they'll be back, and it's a good main event Franklin vs. Henderson

[jdrury12 0]

Dear Gina Carano: Your career is done. Go do Playboy and open a gym to never be heard of again.

[grocery_mony 8]

Kimbo will probally be main eventing independent mma cards in small venues for the rest of his career. Cant really see UFC or Affliction having any intrest in him. I doubt Nick Diaz can make 155 anymore so its ww where he would get killed by the top of the ww division.Anyone hear whats next for John Fitch? I think he is kind of like Rich Franklin, better than everyone else in the division but cant beat the champ.

[jdrury12 0]

Kimbo will probally be main eventing independent mma cards in small venues for the rest of his career. Cant really see UFC or Affliction having any intrest in him. I doubt Nick Diaz can make 155 anymore so its ww where he would get killed by the top of the ww division.Anyone hear whats next for John Fitch? I think he is kind of like Rich Franklin, better than everyone else in the division but cant beat the champ.

Diego again? Just keep guys fighting IMO.

[hank213 1,823]

A turn int he right direction. These guys were doing nothing right. Lawler would be nice in the UFC again just to see some fun fights, hopefully Feijao ends up there as well. Possibly Shields too. Are these guys instant free agents?

mmafighting.com stated that it can vary depending on the individual contract. Some may be eligible to catch on elsewhere, others may have to wait to see who purchases their contract in bankruptcy court.

[steve7stud 0]

Obviously I'm happy to see EliteXC go out of business. I have said that I believed them to be incredibly shady for quite some time now. Of course it was nice to see free MMA on showtime every now and again. But in truth, most of the fights were horrible. In the grand scheme of things there is no room for an organization that runs things as poorly as they did. Dana White brought up a lot of good points in his YouTube clip. People are betting on these fights. And the mere notion that the "powers that be" wanted the fight to go way or another is a scary thought. It's known that corruption has existed in most sports. But I haven't really seen it in the UFC which is one of the reasons that I like it so much.As far as the fighters from ElieteXC go, there's really only a handful that could go to the UFC. Cung Le comes to mind for sure. I think he might do well. And I believe that the UFC would want him. Gilbert Melendez, Jake Shields, KJ Noons, etc could also possibly make the transition. Sadly for them the UFC is looking to cut fighters, not bring more on board. Unless you're truly amazing, or a heavyweight. So I guess time will tell.

[outsider13 0]

As far as the fighters from ElieteXC go, there's really only a handful that could go to the UFC. Cung Le comes to mind for sure. I think he might do well. And I believe that the UFC would want him. Gilbert Melendez, Jake Shields, KJ Noons, etc could also possibly make the transition. Sadly for them the UFC is looking to cut fighters, not bring more on board. Unless you're truly amazing, or a heavyweight. So I guess time will tell.

I was thinking Cung Le as well, but he's with Strikeforce.

[steve7stud 0]

I am predicting that Vera and Lidell headline the card in the Filipines. Just a random thought.

[jdrury12 0]

As far as the fighters from ElieteXC go, there's really only a handful that could go to the UFC. Cung Le comes to mind for sure. I think he might do well. And I believe that the UFC would want him. Gilbert Melendez, Jake Shields, KJ Noons, etc could also possibly make the transition. Sadly for them the UFC is looking to cut fighters, not bring more on board. Unless you're truly amazing, or a heavyweight. So I guess time will tell.

Big Foot? I know he has the California suspension but....

[grocery_mony 8]

UFC - UFC 90 - Allstate Arena IL 10/25/08 9500 Fight Matchups OFF OFF OFF 23:30 ET Fight Matchups OFF OFF OFF UFC - UFC 90 - Middleweight Matchup 10/25/08 9505 Anderson Silva -650 OFF OFF 23:30 ET Patrick Cote +450 OFF OFF UFC - UFC 90 - Welterweight Matchup 10/25/08 9510 Josh Koscheck -160 OFF OFF 23:00 ET Thiago Alves +130 OFF OFF UFC - UFC 90 - Heavyweight Matchup 10/25/08 9515 Fabricio Werdum -875 OFF OFF 22:30 ET Junior Dos Santos +575 OFF OFF UFC - UFC 90 - Lightweight Matchup 10/25/08 9520 Sean Sherk -270 OFF OFF 22:30 ET Tyson Griffin +210 OFF OFF UFC - UFC 90 - Lightweight Matchup 10/25/08 9525 Gray Maynard -270 OFF OFF 22:05 ET Rich Clementi +210 OFF OFF UFC - UFC 90 - Middleweight Matchup 10/25/08 9530 Thales Leites -550 OFF OFF 20:00 ET Drew McFedries +350 OFF OFF UFC - UFC 90 - Lightweight Matchup 10/25/08 9535 Spencer Fisher -350 OFF OFF 20:00 ET Shannon Gugerty +275 OFF OFF UFC - UFC 90 - Middleweight Matchup 10/25/08 9540 Dan Miller -400 OFF OFF 20:00 ET Matt Horwich +300 OFF OFF UFC - UFC 90 - Lightweight Matchup 10/25/08 9545 Hermes Franca -240 OFF OFF 19:45 ET Marcus Aurelio +190 OFF OFF UFC - UFC 90 - Welterweight Matchup 10/25/08 9550 Josh Burkman -260 OFF OFF 19:30 ET Pete Sell Thinking of Koscheck big, small on Griffin, Aurelio, and Mcfedries.also maybe something small on Cote if I can get +500.

[steve7stud 0]

Current Lines...........Discuss... Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: Heavyweights Sat 10/25 Fabricio Werdum vs Junior Dos Santos 08:00 PM 503 Fabricio Werdum -776 504 Junior Dos Santos +576 Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: Lightweights Sat 10/25 Sean Sherk vs Tyson Griffin 07:30 PM 505 Sean Sherk -231 506 Tyson Griffin +211 Sat 10/25 Rich Clementi vs Gray Maynard 07:00 PM 507 Rich Clementi +191 508 Gray Maynard -211 Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: Middleweight Championships Sat 10/25 Anderson Silva vs. Patrick Cote 09:00 PM 461 Anderson Silva -631 462 Patrick Cote +481 Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: PRELIM BOUT - Lightweights Sat 10/25 Spencer Fisher vs Shannon Gugerty 05:00 PM 511 Spencer Fisher -351 512 Shannon Gugerty +301 Sat 10/25 Hermes Franca vs Marcus Aurelio 04:30 PM 515 Hermes Franca -191 516 Marcus Aurelio +171 Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: PRELIM BOUT - Middleweights Sat 10/25 Thales Leites vs Drew McFedries 05:00 PM 509 Thales Leites -411 510 Drew McFedries +351 Sat 10/25 Dan Miller vs Matt Horwich 05:00 PM 513 Dan Miller -321 514 Matt Horwich +271 Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: PRELIM BOUT - Welterweights Sat 10/25 Josh Burkman vs Pete Sell 04:30 PM 517 Josh Burkman -206 518 Pete Sell +186 Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: Welterweights Sat 10/25 Josh Koscheck vs. Thiago Alves 08:30 PM 501 Josh Koscheck -141 502 Thiago Alves +131

[grocery_mony 8]

Current Lines...........Discuss... Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: Heavyweights Sat 10/25 Fabricio Werdum vs Junior Dos Santos 08:00 PM 503 Fabricio Werdum -776 504 Junior Dos Santos +576 Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: Lightweights Sat 10/25 Sean Sherk vs Tyson Griffin 07:30 PM 505 Sean Sherk -231 506 Tyson Griffin +211 Sat 10/25 Rich Clementi vs Gray Maynard 07:00 PM 507 Rich Clementi +191 508 Gray Maynard -211 Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: Middleweight Championships Sat 10/25 Anderson Silva vs. Patrick Cote 09:00 PM 461 Anderson Silva -631 462 Patrick Cote +481 Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: PRELIM BOUT - Lightweights Sat 10/25 Spencer Fisher vs Shannon Gugerty 05:00 PM 511 Spencer Fisher -351 512 Shannon Gugerty +301 Sat 10/25 Hermes Franca vs Marcus Aurelio 04:30 PM 515 Hermes Franca -191 516 Marcus Aurelio +171 Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: PRELIM BOUT - Middleweights Sat 10/25 Thales Leites vs Drew McFedries 05:00 PM 509 Thales Leites -411 510 Drew McFedries +351 Sat 10/25 Dan Miller vs Matt Horwich 05:00 PM 513 Dan Miller -321 514 Matt Horwich +271 Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: PRELIM BOUT - Welterweights Sat 10/25 Josh Burkman vs Pete Sell 04:30 PM 517 Josh Burkman -206 518 Pete Sell +186 Ultimate Fighting Championships 90: Welterweights Sat 10/25 Josh Koscheck vs. Thiago Alves 08:30 PM 501 Josh Koscheck -141 502 Thiago Alves +131

I love the spread on those lines where did you get them? Like I said before big bet on Koscheck, small bets on Aurelio, Mcfedries,Griffin and maybe Cote.Yea I suck

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

nobody watching Ultimate Fighter this season?I love Mir, always have and nothing has changed that. I think he makes an excellent teacher, but I've really come to like Nog as well. He seems like such a decent, genuine guy. He takes fighting very serious, but in a good way. Sure, he doesn't get the american culture of pranks and stuff, but by the time he was done giving his side, I agreed with him. Those fighters have one shot, and screwing it up because of silliness is wasteful. Anderson Silva seems like an awesome dude as well, sparing hard with Ryan Bader, no headgear, taking shots in stride. Letting Bader get his feet wet. I just may like brazilian guys along with their fat assed women.obligatory I hope someone snaps Junie's arm post

[outsider13 0]

I think Clementi is a great bet at those odds. The guy is no slouch and to me close to +200 is quite a surprise. Maynard is good, but I don't think he deserves to be this heavily favored.

[jdrury12 0]

I think Clementi is a great bet at those odds. The guy is no slouch and to me close to +200 is quite a surprise. Maynard is good, but I don't think he deserves to be this heavily favored.

Clementi's interview was interesting to me. He talked about how he took Maynard because no one would and he understands he's a dog here because of Maynard's strength, which makes a lot of sense.I also like Sherk. He has more of a strength advantage here than ever before in my eyes.I got Thiago at +130 and like it. I think it's close but he had to have been training td defense and such for Diego, and Kos may be scared to pull off a real boring lay and pray. I also think the UFC wants Alves to win here as he's a much more interesting sell against GSP than Kos.I'm also on Burkman at -220 pretty strong. Sell is 1-4 in UFC with the win over Baroni. I just think this is the UFC trying to get Burkman on the right track by giving him as much of a can as they could. I think the UFC has some interest in Burkman with the Main Event, Fight of the Night, etc. This is also the last fight on his contract so I expect him to really come out strong. Sell, in my opinion, just isn't a UFC caliber fighter.

[steve7stud 0]

I'm having trouble with Kos-Alves fight. All DETAILED opinions would be appreciated.

[grocery_mony 8]

I'm having trouble with Kos-Alves fight. All DETAILED opinions would be appreciated.

I am taking Kos just because I think he is on another level then Alves. To me the ww division has 3 tiers GSP on a tier all by himself, then tier 2 Fitch and Kos, tier 3 is everyone else. Alves lost to Fitch a strong wrestler like Kos. Its gonna be a good fight I think but Kos will grind out a UD imo. Performify stayed away from this one for the record.

[AimHigher 0]

I am taking Kos just because I think he is on another level then Alves. To me the ww division has 3 tiers GSP on a tier all by himself, then tier 2 Fitch and Kos, tier 3 is everyone else. Alves lost to Fitch a strong wrestler like Kos. Its gonna be a good fight I think but Kos will grind out a UD imo. Performify stayed away from this one for the record.

Agreed. Kos by UD is a good bet.If you look at the Parisyan fight, Karo had Alves on his back and mounted within the first minute of the fight. I think that Koscheck's top game is going to be better than Karo's so if Alves gets put on his back he's going to have a harder time getting back up.Alves is the kind of fighter that can flash KO someone at any time though, which is why I like to see him fight.

[steve7stud 0]

Well, I am doing some gambling on this card.5 of my picks are dogs, and I have 1 favorite. So anything can happen.And don't worry I won't be upset this time if I lose, lol. Btw, I don't reccomend these picks to anyone.ClementiMcFedriesAurelioGriffinBurkmanSantosIf I find a better line on Silva I will take it. Right now I don't see it.GL.

[grocery_mony 8]

Sigh...Mothers B-day dinner tonight so I will miss this one. I might get back in time for the Main event so I might just try to find a pirate feed somewhere. I hate watching fights on my computer but I aighnt payin $50 to see the ME which I dont think is gonna last to long.