Bb To Sit With?

[Snamuh 0]

This is a bad thing?

+1If they look you up more then make them pay for it by showing good hands?

[TheCinciKid 0]

You guys sure do like to jump on people; no offense taken though, I can understand how my random thoughts might have seemed silly.As to the 5/10 comment, I wasn't really recommending he go play 5/10 with that amount of money; to be honest I don't think there's anything I could recommend that would do him much good. I was making a much more general comment that live play below 5/10 is never worth it for anything but learning or having fun. I still stand behind that comment and I don't think anyone would really disagree.As for more people calling you, I think it depends on what kind of game you're playing in. I hate losing equity on my semi-bluffs, as well as never getting folds on a lead bet. Some people might prefer the calls, and in some games I would, but just my own personal preference for the live games I usually play. (For online I would much prefer added calls.)

Allow me to do what you didn't think would happen. It all depends on your goals and the amount of money you can afford to spend. For me, I've pretty much progressed past 3/6 when playing live. I've now put in 50 hours at 6/12 and I think it would be pretty hard for me to go back to 3/6 on a regular basis. That said, I firmly believe that I could make somewhere in the neighborhood of $10/hr. long term if I played a ton of 3/6. Is it worth it? That's up to you to decide. Surely, if you can make $10/hr at 3/6 you ought to be able to move up and make more money at a higher game. However, the point is that 3/6 is actually quite profitable (for what it is) because the games are so juicy. It's all proportional, from a pure $$ standpoint, you can't make much at 3/6, but in terms of BB/hr or BB/100, I truly believe that an expert small stakes player, can make at least 1.5-2 BB/hr at these loose donkified games. FWIW, when I used to play live 3/6, I'd always buy-in for $150. Many players bought in for $100 and I think you could get by with that in a 3/6 game if you run decent. I certainly think it's okay to sit 3/6 with $100 if that's all you can afford for that night. You might be best off tightening up a bit if you can't reload, but if you're out to have fun and maybe win a little $, then why not sit 3/6 with $100 and hope you don't get too unlucky. It' s certainly not a terrible idea IMO. Final note, Zach seemed to be in a really shitty mood in this thread. He's not usually that mean.

[Zach6668 513]

Final note, Zach seemed to be in a really shitty mood in this thread. He's not usually that mean.

You should see my graphs for the last couple days.You ever try to clear a $1000 bonus and lose more than the bonus is worth.... and only be half done clearing it?

[Viper_13 0]

thanks! apparently most sit in the 3/6 w/ 80-100...what pot odds are considered 'good enough' to enter a pot on the button? 5-1?thanks!

ok smart azzes, i asked that on purpose.my friend says that on the button sometimes u get pot odds where it doesn't matter what cards u get dealt.i was testing what others might think. obviously very little.thanks cinci..so $150 at 3/6...i wonder why so many people think 80-100 is good enough? probably don't bet as much when they should? just wondering what to expect..let's say i sat with 100....would i have to significantly tighten up? any other strategy changes?

is this not a limit forum???let's say i plan on not reloading tonight..did i even mention reloading???man, do i need to draw some diagrams for an answer or something???

You ask vague, unanswerable questions and then attack people who ask you for more info. You're annoying.Why would you buy in "short" if you aren't going to reload? Might this not prevent you from playing optimally, especially at a looser table?

[Abbaddabba 0]

ok smart azzes, i asked that on purpose.my friend says that on the button sometimes u get pot odds where it doesn't matter what cards u get dealt.i was testing what others might think. obviously very little.

Have you ever been identified as having a learning disability?Just curious.

[Head_Trauma 0]

Allow me to do what you didn't think would happen. It all depends on your goals and the amount of money you can afford to spend. For me, I've pretty much progressed past 3/6 when playing live. I've now put in 50 hours at 6/12 and I think it would be pretty hard for me to go back to 3/6 on a regular basis. That said, I firmly believe that I could make somewhere in the neighborhood of $10/hr. long term if I played a ton of 3/6. Is it worth it? That's up to you to decide. Surely, if you can make $10/hr at 3/6 you ought to be able to move up and make more money at a higher game. However, the point is that 3/6 is actually quite profitable (for what it is) because the games are so juicy. It's all proportional, from a pure $$ standpoint, you can't make much at 3/6, but in terms of BB/hr or BB/100, I truly believe that an expert small stakes player, can make at least 1.5-2 BB/hr at these loose donkified games. FWIW, when I used to play live 3/6, I'd always buy-in for $150. Many players bought in for $100 and I think you could get by with that in a 3/6 game if you run decent. I certainly think it's okay to sit 3/6 with $100 if that's all you can afford for that night. You might be best off tightening up a bit if you can't reload, but if you're out to have fun and maybe win a little $, then why not sit 3/6 with $100 and hope you don't get too unlucky. It' s certainly not a terrible idea IMO. Final note, Zach seemed to be in a really shitty mood in this thread. He's not usually that mean.

Alright, this made me take a look at my stats I have from the game I played at for a couple years while in school. It was 3/6 and 4/8 and the only game in town. They spread both limits, and I would say about 75% of the time I was playing, the game was 4/8. Rake was $3 + $1 for jackpot. I grabbed all my 2005 stats just to make the point. For that year, I put in 172.5 hours and made $14.64/hr.I ain't bragging (much) but even at low limits and the large rake it is definitely possible to beat the game. I am very glad to have moved on and up, but making twice minimum wage for a college student playing once a week on average isn't too bad. In fact, it is beating the game and the rake.

[AcesUp46 0]

I ain't bragging (much) but even at low limits and the large rake it is definitely possible to beat the game. I am very glad to have moved on and up, but making twice minimum wage for a college student playing once a week on average isn't too bad. In fact, it is beating the game and the rake.

Sure beats working in the library checking out books. But you do get to e-stalk ppl on Facebook at the library though. And ppl smell much better in the library than at 3/6 minbet.

[Snowman 0]

Alright, this made me take a look at my stats I have from the game I played at for a couple years while in school. It was 3/6 and 4/8 and the only game in town. They spread both limits, and I would say about 75% of the time I was playing, the game was 4/8. Rake was $3 + $1 for jackpot. I grabbed all my 2005 stats just to make the point. For that year, I put in 172.5 hours and made $14.64/hr.I ain't bragging (much) but even at low limits and the large rake it is definitely possible to beat the game. I am very glad to have moved on and up, but making twice minimum wage for a college student playing once a week on average isn't too bad. In fact, it is beating the game and the rake.

This doesn't mean anything about win rate though. Not trying to be an *** (lame filter), but 172.5 hours is roughly 4300 hands if you see 25 hands/hour (which is a figure I've seen thrown around a lot. I don't play live so I don't know). With a sample that small your true win rate can be way off.I'm not questioning your ability here, but getting a statistically significant sample size live takes a looong time.

[TheCinciKid 0]

This doesn't mean anything about win rate though. Not trying to be an *** (lame filter), but 172.5 hours is roughly 4300 hands if you see 25 hands/hour (which is a figure I've seen thrown around a lot. I don't play live so I don't know). With a sample that small your true win rate can be way off.I'm not questioning your ability here, but getting a statistically significant sample size live takes a looong time.

I actually tend to disagree a little bit. For whatever reason, I tend to believe that live games can be beaten for a much, much higher BB/100 than online games. I also think that while the long run takes a lot longer to get there live, you can start to get a decent idea of your ability to beat the game after about 50-100 hours. It would probably take 20 years for someone playing only live to play the number of hands that a high volume online player might play in just 1 year. I think my point is that 170 hours is a pretty big sample for live poker. It may not be all that statistically significant, but I think it gives us a decent idea of winrate. Maybe, with a standard deviation of about 1 BB/hr.

[ThreeBet 0]

I actually tend to disagree a little bit. For whatever reason, I tend to believe that live games can be beaten for a much, much higher BB/100 than online games. I also think that while the long run takes a lot longer to get there live, you can start to get a decent idea of your ability to beat the game after about 50-100 hours. It would probably take 20 years for someone playing only live to play the number of hands that a high volume online player might play in just 1 year. I think my point is that 170 hours is a pretty big sample for live poker. It may not be all that statistically significant, but I think it gives us a decent idea of winrate. Maybe, with a standard deviation of about 1 BB/hr.

I agree .... just as they are different games, so should be the stats comparisons. Comparing live to on-line and saying you haven't played enough hands to know if you're any good, while logical, has it's flaws. Obviously it is impossible to play any where near the same amount of hands. How did people know if they were winners before the interweb?

[Acid_Knight 2]

i was testing what others might think. obviously very little.thanks cinci..so $150 at 3/6...i wonder why so many people think 80-100 is good enough? probably don't bet as much when they should? just wondering what to expect..let's say i sat with 100....would i have to significantly tighten up? any other strategy changes?

Assuming that you can get in a bet and 4 raises on each street, then you'd need only 15BBs in front of you at any time to make it from start to finish of a hand without ever running out of chips.At 3/6 limit, that would mean that you'd need to have $90 in front of you at the start of any hand.

[Zach6668 513]

Assuming that you can get in a bet and 4 raises on each street, then you'd need only 15BBs in front of you at any time to make it from start to finish of a hand without ever running out of chips.At 3/6 limit, that would mean that you'd need to have $90 in front of you at the start of any hand.

I've never sat anywhere with a 5-bet cap. Is it more prevalent than I think? My live experience is limited to maybe 3 places.I'm going to Vegas on Monday, do they have the 5-bet cap there at all?

[Actuary 3]

I'm going to Vegas on Monday, do they have the 5-bet cap there at all?

You're going to Vegas?I didn't know that!

[Zach6668 513]

You're going to Vegas?I didn't know that!

lol.At first I thought you were serious about this.But then I remembered several conversations we've had about it.So yeah... what's wrong with being excitied?I got my $2500 cashout today, and I'm ready to go busto in Vegas, ok?!I'm sorry!

[Actuary 3]

lol.I got my $2500 cashout today, and I'm ready to go busto in Vegas, ok?!

As long as you are ready for it, I say leave it all on the tables!or go to lots of shows... and eat like a king and talk your girl into a 3-some.

[Abbaddabba 0]

I ain't bragging (much) but even at low limits and the large rake it is definitely possible to beat the game. I am very glad to have moved on and up, but making twice minimum wage for a college student playing once a week on average isn't too bad. In fact, it is beating the game and the rake.

Not all live tables are equal.There are plenty of circumstances i can imagine where the game isnt beatable.And yet there are obviously lineups of players that can be killed despite the rake structure.

[finztotheleft 0]

Hello.....chiming in with stupid questions What specifically is the rake at 2/4, 3/6, and 5/10 (at Foxwoods, if you know it)? Is it more or less standard, or does it differ from casino to casino ?Has anyone played a lot at Foxwoods ? Is it still fishy at 5/10 ? Or is it a rock garden ? I know it will differ according to the specific players that day, but on the whole how much tighter does 5/10 get ?

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

I've never sat anywhere with a 5-bet cap. Is it more prevalent than I think? My live experience is limited to maybe 3 places.I'm going to Vegas on Monday, do they have the 5-bet cap there at all?

Zach, 5 bet cap is pretty much the norm in Vegas. The strategic differences arent much, except that you wont be 4 betting w/99, TT, or AQs. Alot of times I wont 4-bet AK, unless I am cold-4betting. I like the 5-bet cap, bc of the added value and the chance to define the hand, before things get expensive.

[Zach6668 513]

Zach, 5 bet cap is pretty much the norm in Vegas. The strategic differences arent much, except that you wont be 4 betting w/99, TT, or AQs. Alot of times I wont 4-bet AK, unless I am cold-4betting. I like the 5-bet cap, bc of the added value and the chance to define the hand, before things get expensive.

Thanks Lucky.

[Head_Trauma 0]

Zach, 5 bet cap is pretty much the norm in Vegas. The strategic differences arent much, except that you wont be 4 betting w/99, TT, or AQs. Alot of times I wont 4-bet AK, unless I am cold-4betting. I like the 5-bet cap, bc of the added value and the chance to define the hand, before things get expensive.

I thought this was the case until the last time I was in Vegas at the Bellagio, playing 15-30. I raise, then 4-bet utg with KK, 3-bettor on my left makes it 5 bets. Flop Qxx, I bet, he raises, I call, then check-call turn and river thinking I am almost surely crushed. He proudly flips over AQ. I laughed.

[CoranMoran 0]

I always play with 50xbb--cm