Gold Stiffs Wsop Staff

[Abbaddabba 0]

Are you kidding? No offense to the deal staff at the Rio, but it wasn't them who put up $10,000 of THEIR money to take a shot at winning that jackpot. It wasn't them who played the cards and won the tourney with them. I love how service realted workers think they should be tipped according to the size of the prize. Absolutely ridiculous!I would have aske the Rio how many dealers they employed to service the main event, and then I would have tipped enough so that each dealer got about $200 for the effort. That's $200 each beyond the money the RIO already withheld from the prize pool for them.No offense intended, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to be a poker dealer.

If i was hosting a dinner event at a restaurant, had a 10% fee added to the bill for gratuities (as they do for all large parties) and then got attitude from the waiters for not giving more, **** him. They might as well be sitting outside the casino holding their hat out.They're just general labour. Think wages are too low? Find another ****ing job. You're just some guy who tosses a few pieces of paper in a circle.There are people who do far more for far less, with no expectation of being tipped.

[mjd 0]

There are people who do far more for far less, with no expectation of being tipped.

I bet we could get a computer to do it...on the interweb!Crap, I bet that'd be illegal in the US though.

[RuntCake 0]

See, this is what I don't buy. If the dealers are treated properly and paid properly by the casino, they will continue to show up. The dealers in the main event at the PCA were much much better than those at the WSOP. The toke at the PCA was lower than the PCA (I think it was 3% of a $8000 entry, with a 200 fee, but I'd have to double check to be sure) but from what they told us, the dealers were treated well (even with Stars not covering meals this year, as they had in the past) and paid fairly, and the quality was much higher than what the Rio provided this summer.I'm just not sure how you can make the argument that I, as the customer, have to make up for the fact that the Rio doesn't pay their dealers well enough. I'm in favor of the dealer toke being taken off of the entry fee and having noone tip, and never having to deal with threads/arguments like this again.

A) Not nearly as many dealers to get at the PCA.B) They received board as part of their wages if they were hired in.C) Dealers (new and old) are lured to the WSOP every year with PROMISES of bigger and better payouts that THEY DON'T GET.That reality sets in after the first week or so leaving us to deal with pissed off dealers for the remainder in most cases.

[electrichead1103 0]

not reading the whole thread but i wouldnt tip either. They already get paid plus whats a tip gonna do? Help you get the cards you need for next year? Hell no. You could tip each dealer 25k and still find yourself out the following year on hand #1.

[Balloon guy 158]

If I won the Main Event I would buy 300 copies of Play Poker Like the Pros and hand those out to the dealers so that next year one of them could win it like me!Teach a man to fish.....

[AcesUp46 0]

If I won the Main Event I would buy 300 copies of Play Poker Like the Pros and hand those out to the dealers so that next year one of them could win it like me!Teach a man to fish.....

LOL...Those who can't play, deal.

[blair rodman 0]

Threads like this come up every year. The funny thing is that the dealers who get involved in the threads are happy to plea their case, but I've never gotten one of them to tell us a real figure on how much they made. Here's a post I wrote from two years ago that may help explain why:When I took second in Reno, I got around 327k. They paid me in casino chips. By the table where I got paid was a big box with a sign saying 'tips' on it. I asked the TD directly if the tip had been withheld. He said yes, so I felt no need to tip further. If I had not been forced to tip, I would have tipped about 10k in that case. 3% of 327 is about 10k, so I felt fine with it. I would much rather have had the satisfaction of giving it by choice, but that's not the case anymore. The next day, I saw a couple of the dealers from the final table walking through the casino. I smiled and was about to thank them, when I got cold looks that could have frozen lava as they walked by. I was really pissed. When I got home , I called the head poker guy up there. I told him of the situation. He told me what I already knew. Dealers by nature complain. They always expect more than is reasonable. It would be almost impossible to give enough to satisfy every dealer. I asked him if they made good money on the event. He told me that, for the last couple of events, plus the super sattelites, they made $35 a down, which is 30 minutes. That's $70/hour for dealing cards! He told me that the guy who finished 5th left $100 as a nice gesture. One of the dealers insulted him about it. I'm sure it runined his whole experience. The winner in Tunica made the same mistake. He tipped a favorite dealed an extra $100, and took a ton of heat for it. I guess the moral is that unless you're prepared to tip much more than is reasonable, don't try to be nice.The Reno guy went on to say that he was considering making it 3 1/2% next year, and mandate no further tipping. I told him that there's going to be a player revolt at some point, and that this could ignite it. I'd hate to see it happen at his event, which is very well done. The present system sucks. The reason it was put in place was because of dealer complaints. Sure there were some winners in the old days who left little or nothing, but that was made up for by some over generous winners, who are probably turned off by the present system and most likely don't leave extra. The fact is that instead of being thanked for our generosity, we are castigated for not giving even more of our hard-earned dollars.

[Bizzle 0]

The Reno guy went on to say that he was considering making it 3 1/2% next year, and mandate no further tipping. I told him that there's going to be a player revolt at some point, and that this could ignite it. I'd hate to see it happen at his event, which is very well done. The present system sucks. The reason it was put in place was because of dealer complaints. Sure there were some winners in the old days who left little or nothing, but that was made up for by some over generous winners, who are probably turned off by the present system and most likely don't leave extra. The fact is that instead of being thanked for our generosity, we are castigated for not giving even more of our hard-earned dollars.

Blair, are you really not in favor of having the money taken off of the top of the pool? I feel like it evens up the gap between those who will tip and won't, as well as protecting players from having to deal with dealers grumpy about a lack of tips. Personally, if no money was taken off of the top of the pool, I'd prolly tip 3% of any winnings, but since that appears to be the standard taken off of the top, I do not feel guilty at all not tipping. I'd rather not have to deal with the percentage going up to 5%, but if it does, it's better than having to deal with dealers complaining about a lack of tips.

[DoinSublime 0]

The more I think about it, the more I think it's f'n pathetic that a multi million (billion?) dollar casino won't properly pay their dealers themselves.

[mrdannyg 274]

Threads like this come up every year. The funny thing is that the dealers who get involved in the threads are happy to plea their case, but I've never gotten one of them to tell us a real figure on how much they made. Here's a post I wrote from two years ago that may help explain why:

just thought i'd thank you for keeping an eye on us, and making great contributions, despite the crap you encountered last time (largely from me). your contributions are definitely appreciated by the FCP community.cheers

[electrichead1103 0]

The more I think about it, the more I think it's f'n pathetic that a multi million (billion?) dollar casino won't properly pay their dealers themselves.

exactly.

[AgroPoker 0]

I play cash games several times a weak and tip every pot I win BUT, the house took what was equal to 3rd place money from every tournament in the entire series. If they are not paying there staff enough to work that is not my problem.With that much rake I would not tip in any of those tournaments.

[seemorenuts 0]

I've only paid a modest 8-10K in b&m rake in the past two years.It's the only service I know of where you pay this much money for such generally inconsistent and crappy service.I know of no equivalent.There are great dealers, and some of them often have to overcome incompetent or lazy supervisors.What I've done is tipped only the really outstanding ones.For example, you want to see the best dealer on the planet? I have seen him in action and I tell you, he is the GOD of dealing, his name is Jeff, he has a ponytail, works at Rama ON and he's about 6'3" ...When I played 20/40 LimitHE I used to tip him $5 per pot, and I swear his dealing is so fast, such a perfect work of art, that I wished I could tip him more, like $10 just for watching him deal! It seemed as if he could deal 4 cards before the first one stopped at its resting position (Edit, lol, I was there a couple of weeks ago, and though he's rusty, each card comes to rest before the next one goes out... it just seemed faster), he was that fast and accurate. No one could match his speed and control of the game. However, there are a handful of other great dealers there still. On the other hand, I've seen the supervisors make dozens of mistakes, consistently terrible for cash games but pretty good during the multitable tournaments they hold, viz. the final table.The main problem I see is dealers who are skilled but who get too complacent (that's because you are tipping for mediocre performance) to keep on top of the game. Dealing is not easy, so I try to give customers a bit of a hard time if theygive dealers a hard time.So this is what I will do. Generally I rarely tip since Jeff was kicked upstairs long ago (and he's a dedicated enthusiastic great brush/supervisor) and when I make the big score or retire, I will personally give the best dealers all that I saved and more, on a personal basis so they don't have to dilute it with the staff. Hey, I know your objections, but it's my money... ha ha ha ha...P.S. I wasn't kidding, there is no better faster dealer than him, you should go to Rama and book a private session just to see this guy in action, over 60-70 hands per hour, full table, easy...I suggest as a milder alternative, you choose ONE dealer and you tip him/her EVERYTHING, $1000-20,000 per year if that's what you are already tipping, and you make it known nicely to dealers who don't rate that all they have to do is improve their performance. You could split it up monthly or every three months, but they'd get the message... and of course do it to their tax advantage (not the subject of this post).If people did this can you imagine how GREAT the dealing COULD GET? Ah, we can all dream.NOTE, THE ABOVE TWO SENTENCES WILL EVOKE COMMENTS LIKE 'WOW, THAT'S RETARDED'... WELL, THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL IT SINKS IN. PERFORMANCE WOULD IMPROVE ASTRONOMICALLY TO THE BENEFIT OF BOTH PLAYERS AND DEALERS.... NO TYPO, YOU ALREADY TIP $1-20K, LOL... RIGHT?Have a look at Oklahoma Johnny's book, his comments on tipping are spot on. He was known for tipping half and sometimes the entire pot he won, because he could ... and do you know why he stopped and eventually believed that one should not tip at all? The bleeping dealers were derisively poking fun at his generosity (along with other cogent reasons)! An entertaining read, as well as Mason Malmuth's comments on the same subject.

[RuntCake 0]

In summary, I hate the fact they have to split all tips. I think it dilutes what you get. If they would take their 3% and let me straight tip without having to go all stalker on folks...that would be cool. I like the comment that the best get paid what the lazy are getting. Like communism in general, it leads to pretty shi-t output most of the time.

[goose 0]

Full time dealers at lower end casions (i.e. charities, small commercial ones) make $30k-40k a year, mid-range 40k-70k, and the top end dealers (very few of these) who work at places like The Wynn make anywhere from 70k-120k a year.