Gold Stiffs Wsop Staff

[Yoda 1]

Everyone remember that waiter you had who wouldn't shut up and every time he walked away you were like...does this guy think we give a crap what he has to say?^^^

[Yoda 1]

Not these days. At least the wrong word is spelled right

True, 5 points for spelling. But when I read it I laughed..

[DoinSublime 0]

Your daughter is a kissass and your cat is ugly. I suppose she is right if I looked at myself as anything less than the person I am serving- I never did. I was very good at what I did when I served, but I will talk about what I damn well please, and if you don't like it I could care less. The thing is, when you walk into a restauarnt you are not running the show. There are efforts made to give you that illusion but the reality is, you aren't. We just make you feel that way. The truth of the situation is most people already know this, but you get the few who think that they have some sort of right to hear what they want from a comlete stranger who is taking care of. In my mind, those same people would still gladly own slaves. What do I know though, I only did it for 10 years and know how most people will act just by looking at them for 30 seconds.

Um, no you weren't obviously. Any professional in the business knows better, and laughs at this statement.

[Loismustdie 0]

You're wrong. To complain about a tip to another "customer" is totally unprofessional and inappropriate.In addition, the harshness of your comments was uncalled for. If you want to disagree, then disagree ... but there was no need to get ugly about it.SYT,llou

I disagreed, the way I wanted to. How about 10 years of watching that 10 percent of scoiety thayt seems to think they are above everybody else in action? Put it this way- 10% of society I wasn't going to make money. I averaged 45,000 dollars a year for 10 years. That means I missed out on about 40,000 dollars overall because of pricks that I couldn't get over 10% not matter what I did- they are literally looking for a reason. In this case, the reaosn is,"Oh my God he spoke!" So, really, this is as good time to demand my 40,000 dolllars as any,since there are people here that fall in that category.

[Loismustdie 0]

Um, no you weren't obviously. Any professional in the business knows better, and laughs at this statement.

What do you think, that I just talked to anybody and couldn't read who wanted to talk and who didn't? Generally, situation like that is where a server says something to somebody misreading that this was a table that gave a ****- a mistake, but not life altering,or even evening altering. I made that mistake all of one time, and I don't remember the guy at all. I do remember that he was a prick, though. You don't know me, the fact that I can talk to people about damn near anything is why I made good money.

[DoinSublime 0]

I disagreed, the way I wanted to. How about 10 years of watching that 10 percent of scoiety thayt seems to think they are above everybody else in action? Put it this way- 10% of society I wasn't going to make money. I averaged 45,000 dollars a year for 10 years. That means I missed out on about 40,000 dollars overall because of pricks that I couldn't get over 10% not matter what I did- they are literally looking for a reason. In this case, the reaosn is,"Oh my God he spoke!" So, really, this is as good time to demand my 40,000 dolllars as any,since there are people here that fall in that category.

If you knew what you were doing, and how to shut your mouth and act classy, you probably would've averaged 18-20% like the rest of us.To say you missed out is ludicrous, for every 10% I've ever gotten, there are 2 30% tips I get to more than make up.Bye bye thread.

[Loismustdie 0]

Everyone remember that waiter you had who wouldn't shut up and every time he walked away you were like...does this guy think we give a crap what he has to say?^^^

Can't please them all. The numbers are on my side- most people are with somebody they can hardly stand in the first place and bored out of there minds so they welcome somebody who can conversate.

[Loismustdie 0]

If you knew what you were doing, and how to shut your mouth and act classy, you probably would've averaged 18-20% like the rest of us.To say you missed out is ludicrous, for every 10% I've ever gotten, there are 2 30% tips I get to more than make up.Bye bye thread.

LOLOLOLOL. I already said I know who to talk to and who not to, before they even sit down. The point was these are people who it doesn't matter, they will find a reason. Shut my mouth and act classy. Yes,Massuh. Many apologies Massuh. I go and tend to the goats now.

[Outlaw4033 0]

I think before we get on the 'Jamie Gold is an inconsiderate prick' train we should try to find out how much all of the other players that cashed tipped. Are we to assume only the person who won the tournament is responsible for tipping the dealers? How much did the other final table players tip? How much did the 12 or 13 people that cashed for over 1M tip?

[chgocubs99 0]

LOLOLOLOL. I already said I know who to talk to and who not to, before they even sit down. The point was these are people who it doesn't matter, they will find a reason. Shut my mouth and act classy. Yes,Massuh. Many apologies Massuh. I go and tend to the goats now.

Honestly, you actually bring up some decent points. But the way in which you present them turns people off. I feel the same you way do sometimes in the customer service business. I have learned this over time...people don't care about "good service" no matter how much your employer brainwashes you think they do. All people care about is getting what they want. That's it. The rest is just gravy. If people don't get exactly what they want, they are going to whine like children. For example, I make money when someone rents a car. When someone doesn't qualify to rent a car, I really wish they did. If they did, I'd make money. I try to get them to qualify...really. I like money. But when I break the bad news to them, most react as though I'm against them in some way. No...I'm with you, but you're just not getting what you want, so now you are going to pout like a little kid about how "crazy" this is or what an "inconvience" this is. Such is the way of life now with customer service surveys and such. Sad world, in my opinion, where people can pout and whine all in the name of customer service, and those are the people that ususally end up getting what they want because they complain until they do./my rant.

[mrdannyg 274]

#1. Vig paid to play in a tourney is not dealers' tips. House makes money to cover expenses. LOL#2. Floor staff do NOT get tipped. Dealers get tips. Suits do not. That is with the exception of The Wynn. You may recall an article where Mr. Wynn himself decided to change the tip pool to include his floor supervisors. Look it up.

no, the $600 Bizzle referred to was an extra fee, on top of the regular vig, taken out of the prize pool specifically for tips.

The thing is, didn't you just get grossly overpaid as well? Why take that stance?

no. i entered a contest, where every participant readily agreed to equal terms, and happened to win. thats being lucky, not overpaid.

[DoinSublime 0]

no, the $600 Bizzle referred to was an extra fee, on top of the regular vig, taken out of the prize pool specifically for tips.

Is that true? That is 5.2 million if so.

[Loismustdie 0]

Honestly, you actually bring up some decent points. But the way in which you present them turns people off. I feel the same you way do sometimes in the customer service business. I have learned this over time...people don't care about "good service" no matter how much your employer brainwashes you think they do. All people care about is getting what they want. That's it. The rest is just gravy. If people don't get exactly what they want, they are going to whine like children. For example, I make money when someone rents a car. When someone doesn't qualify to rent a car, I really wish they did. If they did, I'd make money. I try to get them to qualify...really. I like money. But when I break the bad news to them, most react as though I'm against them in some way. No...I'm with you, but you're just not getting what you want, so now you are going to pout like a little kid about how "crazy" this is or what an "inconvience" this is. Such is the way of life now with customer service surveys and such. Sad world, in my opinion, where people can pout and whine all in the name of customer service, and those are the people that ususally end up getting what they want because they complain until they do./my rant.

I know. I was really just messing with them and then they had to get all serious. I reallly wouldn't want to get into all the ins and outs of good and bad service, because the truth is nobody gets treated the same- there are basics but each type of person takes a different style of service, which I am more than happy to accomodate. The problem isn't that there are demands- everybody has them, it's just when you cross that line into pretending that the demands are reasonable it irks me. There is no real reason that the person who said,"Everything was great, and then he mentioned he just got a bad tip, so I gave him a bad tip.",there was no real reason he would do that except some notion that says a server shouldn't talk about money. Why? Not one person produced a reason, except for it's unprofessional, which of course begs the question why as well. I would be suprised if anyone had an answer that didn't show them to be a ****.

[goose 0]

I wrote an article for the WPT Magazine which addresses tipping at the WSOP at the end. My thoughts, as a player and dealer that's worked in the service industry for a while:1. If someone enters a tournament where a (sizeable) percentage has been taken off to compensate staff, they should not be held AT ALL morally liable for not tipping if they win, no matter how much they win. That said, I'd tip in Gold's position (probably generously) but I don't blame him one bit if he doesn't.2. Harrah's has a reputation as one of the worst casino company's to deal for, if the dealer's are getting screwed its because Harrah's is screwing them, not the players.For those interested, here's the article (The WSOP bit is at the end):http://www.worldpokertour.com/magazine/?x=detail&aID=420

[finztotheleft 0]

God forbid he speak about his life. Who the **** do you think you are exactly?(And I mean that in the nicest way possible, I have no real beef with you but I don't understand that mindset at all.) Basically,what you are saying is,"Dance,minion, but don't you dare speak. I don't give a **** about you." Do you know what that guy says in his head when you leave? He says,"God, what an *******", and goes on to the next table, never to think of you again except when they tell stories that start with," This one *******..." and so on.

Back the truck up.I never said he couldn't mention his life. I said commenting about the amount of tip left by another patron is extremely unprofessional.I'm a nurse. When I have had to work mandatory overtime to cover a peer's sick call, I cheerily walk into the next patient's room and say "Hi Mr Smith, we get to enjoy each other's company for another 8 hours, what can I do for you ?", NOT "Damnit, I have to do a double and I had plans to see a movie tonight." Is the patient supposed to say, "Dear, why don't you leave, I can get my own meds tonight." or feel guilty because he is sick ? Are the patrons at the restaurant supposed to tip double to make it up to the poor waiter ?If you are in a service industry, you need to focus on putting the client's needs and feelings above your own.

[finztotheleft 0]

I know. I was really just messing with them and then they had to get all serious. I reallly wouldn't want to get into all the ins and outs of good and bad service, because the truth is nobody gets treated the same- there are basics but each type of person takes a different style of service, which I am more than happy to accomodate. The problem isn't that there are demands- everybody has them, it's just when you cross that line into pretending that the demands are reasonable it irks me. There is no real reason that the person who said,"Everything was great, and then he mentioned he just got a bad tip, so I gave him a bad tip.",there was no real reason he would do that except some notion that says a server shouldn't talk about money. Why? Not one person produced a reason, except for it's unprofessional, which of course begs the question why as well. I would be suprised if anyone had an answer that didn't show them to be a ****.

The reason he would get less than I was going to tip him is because he just ruined my night out by implying I should make up for what he just lost at the other table. A waiter who comments on a tip has to realize that a customer may interpret his comment that way.In the OP's example, the floor man could have said ,"Hi guys, I overheard you talking and just wanted to let you know that you have misinformation. Mr Gold did not leave a tip other than the one that was charged to his entry fee." He did not say that. He said "He stiffed the staff."Can we agree that how information is presented makes a difference ?

[GrinderMJ 0]

There are two people in this thread who have seriously strange views on tipping/service industry/casino dealers

[Teffy 0]

#1. Vig paid to play in a tourney is not dealers' tips. House makes money to cover expenses. LOL#2. Floor staff do NOT get tipped. Dealers get tips. Suits do not. That is with the exception of The Wynn. You may recall an article where Mr. Wynn himself decided to change the tip pool to include his floor supervisors. Look it up.

in the WSOP, a portion of the money taken is for DEALER TOKES not just vig. also, to my knowledge, players were instructed NOT TO TIP, AS THIS WAS COVERED ALREADY. I belive this was new policy this year. Can someone confirm this?

[DoinSublime 0]

There are two people in this thread who have seriously strange views on tipping/service industry/casino dealers

go on...

[Doug 0]

I wouldn't have tipped. All they did was deal cards as they get paid to do. It's not as if they cheated to give him the winning hand every time. (although it seemed like it). Maybe he owned them money in the colouring up of the chips because they gave him +3million.

[Scanner313 0]

if I won 12 million, I don't think I'd be leaving 1 million for a tip. Maybe 500K or so, but 1 million???

Are you kidding? No offense to the deal staff at the Rio, but it wasn't them who put up $10,000 of THEIR money to take a shot at winning that jackpot. It wasn't them who played the cards and won the tourney with them. I love how service realted workers think they should be tipped according to the size of the prize. Absolutely ridiculous!I would have aske the Rio how many dealers they employed to service the main event, and then I would have tipped enough so that each dealer got about $200 for the effort. That's $200 each beyond the money the RIO already withheld from the prize pool for them.No offense intended, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to be a poker dealer.

[TheBoobster 0]

Even though I think JG is a doofus (doufus?), you can hardly blame him for not tipping. Even though he won the ME, they froze $6 M of his money because of some claim from someone who had nothing to do with the tourney. To me this is something to be settled in the courts after JG gets his money, why should the casino get involved?

[Mercury69 3]

I was doing interviews in Vegas and sat down to play some poker. We got to the topic of Gold and the World Series and how everything was in litigation etc. when somone brings up the rumor that Gold tipped "like a millon or sumfin'" after his win.The room mnager, stops, appologizes for interupting the game (it kept going btw) and says that not only was that false, but he COMPLETELY stiffed the whole staff. Wondered if I could get some collaboration here?One thing is reviewable, the WSOP dealer/staff payouts last year were the lowest that had been in a long time...but they had the biggest prize pool every.

It's "corroboration". Does anyone speak fckn English good around here any more?

[mtdesmoines 3]

... Wondered if I could get some collaboration here....

I'm not sure. What do you need collaboration with?Edit. Dang. Beat to the punch.

[NoSup4U 0]

According to http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/pdfs/080...t_Structure.pdf, the house took over $5million out of the prize pool for the main event alone. After TV money and sponsorship money, if the dealers aren't getting paid well enough, I'm not sure I'd blame Gold's tipping before I'd blame the house.-M