Dealer Tips On Hsp

[rgold79 0]

Why does something as benign as a toke cause such an uproar? Tipping in general is just a cultural norm in America that people understand as a series of unwritten rules. If someone performs a service for you, and they do it satisfactorily, give them a tip. If the valet brings me my car, I give him a dollar. When I take a cab, I tip the cabbie. When the waiter does his job well, I tip well. When it's merited, I will hold off on tipping. The last thing I will be is resentful of the fact that someone less fortunate or less well educated than myself has to rely on my generosity in order to make a living. Tipping the dealer when you scoop a pot is just part of the larger social contract we all make with one another. Wow. Some of the ignorance in this thread was just astounding.

[Abe Froman 0]

Wow. Some of the ignorance in this thread was just astounding.

I could not agree more.

[Mrjones_76 0]

It is amazing ....People basically say tip or be ridiculed and truley believe they are the good guys. Pretty funny or just sad I'm not really sure. As for the guy who said its not the dealers fault they make more than the civil servants, I totally agree and said that in my post, because they all had the same choices. I think dealers should make good money, they are in the entertainment buisness for most people. I just think all dealers especially pit dealers should be paid more by the house and accept a tip with gratitiude and not with expectation.

[TheCinciKid 0]

Abe seems to be pretty on the ball in this thread. My general philosophy with tipping dealers is that I'm paying them for providing a service. If they do a good job, they should probably be rewarded a little more than if they don't, but in general I'm paying them to provide a service. Most of the time, in the games that I play I'll tip $1 per pot, $2 if it's a really big pot and nothing if I just win the blinds or the pot is really tiny or something. Think about it this way, if there were no dealers, you'd have to deal for yourself, the game would go much slower and there'd be a ton of mistakes. Personally, I'm not sure I even see it as the Casino's job to make sure these folks are getting paid. They're really providing a service to the players. I sometimes wish that I could bring myself to stiff a dealer for a screw-up or something, but usually I'll even let that slide if they're a generally good dealer who made a mistake. For example, I was playing last week and an otherwise good dealer got distracted by a conversation he was having with a player (I believe that conversation was related to the casino or poker room if I recall correctly, hence it's forgivable) and he missed a guy string-raising in a 3/6 game. I was sitting in the 10 seat right next to him and I politely pointed it out to him and asked that he keep a better eye out for it in the future. It was 3/6 and the guy looked like a noobie anyway, so I didn't want to make a big deal out of it. The dealer apologized and said he keep his eyes open better. The next time I won a pot, I still tipped him because I felt like he was still trying to provide good service and just happened to make a mistake. Let's face it, we all make mistakes. Now, if they're consistently screwing up and they all keep they're own tips, then absolutely they should be stiffed, but most of the time, I think we should just tip consistently and the dealers will continue to provide us good service.

[AcesWild1818 0]

not tipping the dealers is some ignorant bullshit. if you're playing 1-2 and the pot's like 10 or 20, it can be forgiven, but anything over that and you should throw them a dollar or two. if the pots $200 or more, i'll give them a 5.

The last thing I will be is resentful of the fact that someone less fortunate or less well educated than myself has to rely on my generosity in order to make a living. Tipping the dealer when you scoop a pot is just part of the larger social contract we all make with one another.

well said.

[navybuttons 15]

and my posts are the ones that get edited. (sorry, still sore about that)i've never gotten in a fight at a poker table. the closest i came was when i guy tipped a dealer a penny and said if he made one dealer cry a day he could sleep at night.pull your **** at my table and we got trouble. that's a capital t that rhymes w/ p.

[chrozzo 19]

You are an atypical tightwad, geez atleast tip a buck everytime you take down a pot, that should be the bare minimum. And if you don't think that dealers notice this type of thing, think again. Last time I was at the Mirage starting out playin 1-2, a guy stiffed the dealer on a couple of pretty decent sized pots; They let the dealer off work early, he came out and played in the game and busted the guy for his whole stack once, and half another time.... Lesson learned.Don't be a tightwad.

im sure it was because he didnt tip him tooi think i speak for most ppl on this forum when i say that this thread has gotten a little out of hand...as it did THE LAST TIMEalso, TopDollar and AbeFroman, with all due respect, you both need to cool down

[oceans11 0]

how can u say dealing the highstakes game would be not much more profitable ? i no casino dealers who make 100 bux a day dealing and on tips they make 3 4 hundred more a day . in the highstakes game i can garuntee the dealers are making ALOT more in tips my guess would be 500 and up !

My cousin used to deal Bellagio, and the big game, and their tips are about equal to the other games in the cardroom.

[FourFlusher 0]

You guys do know that teachers and firemen get health bennies, dental, and retirement, and who knows how much vacation, and sick leave, and............

[DoinSublime 0]

You guys do know that teachers and firemen get health bennies, dental, and retirement, and who knows how much vacation, and sick leave, and............

Actually, they probably don't know these things and how it is relevant here.

[rogerwilco 0]

I don't understand why tipping in low limits is such a big deal anyway - lets's say you are dealt 30hands/hour, you play 1/3 of the hands and win 20% of the hands you play (which would be both playing rather loose and getting lucky), that would be at most 6$ an hour on average if you tip one or two dollars a pot depending on its size. That's nothing compared to the chips you win and lose during the same amount of time.

[Wrathraven 0]

Are you all serious with your "I don't need to tip philosophy"? I'm not saying you gotta give them a huge tip, but geez, if the guy/gal is friendly and does his/her job properly, throw them a bone. One lady I played with at the Mirage 1/2 game tipped $1 no matter the size of the pot (unless it was really big, then probably $2, and if the pot was uber-small...in the $10 range, she may not have even tipped-but few pots are this small). I don't think there is anything wrong with this at all. I personally tip more than that, but tipping and average of $1 per pot is adequate at this level I would say. Like somebody said TIPS means To Insure Prompt Service (or as I have heard it To Insure Proper Service). There is a normally a reason that you don't get your food as fast as a regular 20% tipper when you are leaving your 10%. And yes, the person providing the service should ean it, and not expect it, but you don't need to make them wipe your *** to earn a tip. And for the record as annoying as it is to see people repeatedly not tip, it IS equally annoying to see a dealer/waiter being a prick and EXPECT a TIP... yes it must be earned, but give em' a break. And yes, there are waiters and dealers that may make more than a teacher and possibly other professions....SO What? Now your punishing the guy for making a good career decision. I am sure you are saying that a teacher/cops job is more important to society, and I highly doubt anybody will argue with you. Do YOU make more than a teacher/cop? Is YOUR job more important to society? Not to mention there are a decent amount of dealers that are either paying their way through school, or have Semi-retired from their main job to Las Vegas and enjoy that atmosphere; don't punish them for that. Give em' a break.

The people who like to whine about tipping are usually 100% online players and don't deal with it anyway (and are usually too young to actually play at a B&M casino anyway), or mediocre to bad players who don't like coughing up their minimal winnings. If you can play at your level comfortably, totally +EV, tips do not hurt your profit at all. And anyone who's played any reasonable length of time at a casino will know that dealers have to put up with a lot of **** at the tables from sore losers, drunks, and idiots that, in my opinion, entitles them to a little compensation. That said, you SHOULD tip based on dealer competance, not "just because." If you get a slow, sloppy dealer, while I don't like stiffing, they won't get more than a buck from me no matter the pot size. If the dealer is fast and knowledgeable, they will definitely get more, as you are seeing more hands per hour, and therefore making MORE money than a crap dealer. Keeping good dealers happy and dealing will simply pay off in the long run.

[Abe Froman 0]

also, TopDollar and AbeFroman, with all due respect, you both need to cool down

I need to calm down? I believe I made some relevant points (okay maybe calling him a tightwad was out of line....but true.)I agree with the statement about internet players as well, they just aren't used to it. I think many of these people would catch on after a little time. It's like not tipping a cocktail waitress... see how quick you get your drinks when your not tipping.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Why should i tip a dealer anything while I am playing a 1/2 NL game and they take a percentage of every pot as well as 6 dollars every half hour... maybe if I had some nickel chips I would consider it.

While I respect each individual's right not to tip......I will also invoke my own right to feel that not tipping is the sign of a loser.

[blacktie31 0]

You guys do know that teachers and firemen get health bennies, dental, and retirement, and who knows how much vacation, and sick leave, and............

people don't become teachers or fireman or police officers because of the money.They know that going in, and most all could make more if they chose to do so.They do those jobs BC they love them.The last reason you should ever take a job is because it pays a lot.

[blacktie31 0]

At restaurants I start at 20% and work from there depending on how well the server does their job.Late night Denny's I start at $5 and work up and don't ever give the waitress any problems(if they are working midnights at Denny's they need the money and not my smart *** remarks)Pizza delivery guy(did that for 2 years as a second job) $3 for most orders unless it's a big order then moreDealers it's a straight $1 a pot I rake in, big or small, unless they are a complete jerk, bad attitude, etc.If my dealer is good and someone at my table is a non tipper, i tip $1 a pot they rake in too.Usually the other people at my table will join in to make sure the dealer gets paid and the non tipper gets the idea.The thing is I tip and tip well bc I have found it's good for me to be a giving person.I used to be super tight with tips, etc. but though time discovered that being a giving person brings so much more back to you on a personal level than being tight with my money ever could.Giving is +EV for your soul.

[mtdesmoines 3]

The people who like to whine about tipping are usually 100% online players and don't deal with it anyway (and are usually too young to actually play at a B&M casino anyway), or mediocre to bad players who don't like coughing up their minimal winnings. If you can play at your level comfortably, totally +EV, tips do not hurt your profit at all. And anyone who's played any reasonable length of time at a casino will know that dealers have to put up with a lot of **** at the tables from sore losers, drunks, and idiots that, in my opinion, entitles them to a little compensation. That said, you SHOULD tip based on dealer competance, not "just because." If you get a slow, sloppy dealer, while I don't like stiffing, they won't get more than a buck from me no matter the pot size. If the dealer is fast and knowledgeable, they will definitely get more, as you are seeing more hands per hour, and therefore making MORE money than a crap dealer. Keeping good dealers happy and dealing will simply pay off in the long run.

I once tipped a dealer $25. I won a four way all in worth around $1K at a $1/2 game with three side pots. I scooped everything, but he had every chip in the right place and called out all the bets and down hands perfectly in order. BTW, he remembered me when I showed up 6 months later. Treat people right. Especially the ones who call you "sir" even if you don't deserve it. As someone else said, it's part of the social contract.

[Dogpatch 2]

I once tipped a dealer $25. I won a four way all in worth around $1K at a $1/2 game with three side pots. I scooped everything, but he had every chip in the right place and called out all the bets and down hands perfectly in order. BTW, he remembered me when I showed up 6 months later. Treat people right. Especially the ones who call you "sir" even if you don't deserve it. As someone else said, it's part of the social contract.

This is the epitome of why you tip. Yes, the dealer was just doing his job, but he did it in a professional manner and made the experience pleasant. I would bet even the losers were happy to have a dealer that was competent in handling side pots.

[Socrates 0]

While I understand the culture of tipping and I am a gracious tipper imo; I do think it is getting somewhat out of control in this country. For example, by the time I land in Vegas and get to my room I've usually given away ~$50 or more in tips. I don't even want to think about what I give up in tips total for a weekend. The first item that comes to mind would be dinners - that's $200 in tips right there for 3 meals.I see this with other places that I travel to as well. If I'm paying $500+ a night for a room at a resort, why do I have to tip the pool guy who brings me an extra towel or sets up my chair for me? Can't the $10 per drink be used to pay him a little more? It would seem that almost anything anyone does for a job that isn't in the professional realm requires a tip in the US. On top of the new types of jobs that get tipped, the expectation for tipping has gone up as well. While 15% was the norm for tipping on dinner 5-6 years ago, that has gone up to 20% as a standard and exceptional service usually receives between 25-30%Now - I'm not complaining, just pointing out that the system has created a means by which paying customers to hotels and restaraunts and such also become responsible for paying the wages of the employees that serve them, but who create revenue for the business through their service.

[Kevin_Baxter 0]

Tipping isn't a big deal for me . If I like the dealer, they deal good keep control of the table. I don't mind dishing out 1-5 dollars every pot I win. I know how it can be sometimes.

[Foldalotamus 0]

if Doyle tipped $100 for a $50,000 pot...then we should tip $.20 for a $20 pot?if we tip $1 then we are over-tipping 400%?G (-:

[jmkiser 0]

For a live professional, I can see where tipping becomes a huge crimp especially if working the lower limits.I'm not a pro, yet, by any means, but I've found a way to tip that works well. Every time a seat fee is collected, I tip the dealer a dollar. If the place rakes, then I take care of the dealer at the top of every hour. This helps me keep track of the time, too, instead of just getting lost in a 24 hour session Ethically, do poker pros at the lower limits have less of an obligation to tip as much due to the fact that the money is straight out of their income and isn't coming out of "entertainment money" like other people?

[fleung22 1]

hmm...tried doing a Cardplayer.com search for an article on Daniel. It's the one where one of the writers caught Daniel tipping out black chips to casino employees during the holidays.No luck...maybe somebody else who has better searching skilz.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Couldn't find the one you were talking about. Sure it was an article and not just a Thread somewhere?Decent Sexton Article on tipping: http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/12401Mike Caro Articles: http://www.pokerplayernewspaper.com/viewar...&sort=topichttp://www.pokerplayernewspaper.com/viewar...amp;sort=authorAnother article:http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/14082

[....Ian.... 0]

I read these post a lot and never really reply much, but after reading the comment of the guy who says it is unfortunate that tips are expected in any job and the other dumbass saying why should he tip I just had to say something. I work for tips for a living. And believe me, when you work for tips you remember everyone who doesn't tip you... even if they don't come around again for a year. You remember. For the guy who said he thinks it is unfortunate or the other moron who just doesn't tip, I really hope you are tipping your pizza man or waiter or whomever because if you aren't you are eating some nasty spit and/or all kinds of other **** in your food. What kind of scumbag are you to not tip people or to even think it is unfortunate? You must have been raised a rich brat and not have a clue what's it like to work for a living. But don't worry to much what goes around comes around in three fold and you'll get yours.

wow, so u as someone who spits in someones food (which is illegal by the way) are somehow NOT a scumbag, and yet non-tippers are?