news on the $80 million freezeout

[Swift_Psycho 1]

sorry i didn't really say anything interesting here, i thought i was going to.Hehehehehe.

[joeythep 0]

Honestly, (and I could be WAY off here) I'm not sure Beal's desire to keep control of distribution has anything to do with money or ego. THe guy is a very private guy, (try to find a photograph of him) and it's quite possible, he just doesn't want it released, regardless of who wins or loses.

[JaysonWeber 0]

This is what happens when Poker players try and do business with a business man. Stick to Poker guys.

What do you mean? Just because he's half of the transaction and needs to come somewhere in the middle? Both sides need to want something to happen in Business Phish, This is obviously a case where one side wants to make money regardless of the outcome and wants to be above the rest. Beal has had this attitude with the brunson group from day 1.The brunson group made an extremely fair offer to Beal and he didn't accept. He doesn't want it to be a fair business transaction in any way whatsoever. Poker is now a business Phish, and this transaction just didn't go through.

[rog 0]

There is NO way the tapes are worth 40 million or anywhere near that much. Give me a break. It's not a win/win or a "freeroll" for Beal. Wether 40 mil is chump change for Beal or not, there's no way he'll recoup his losses by marketing the tapes. Seriously, do you think he'll be able to sell literally MILLIONS of copies? This is limit we're talking about...there's no all-in. There's no public appeal outside the poker crowd. There's no tremendous opportunity. Would YOU pay 40 million for the rights to those tapes? If so, I own a bridge in Brooklyn, and I have a special low-low price just for you.Beal is offering an opportunity for the pros to fleece an amateur...the great white whale if the stories are true. If tv rights are the deal breaker given that 40 mil is on the line, what does that say about Brunson et al? Says to me they dont think their skills are a sufficient edge to justify playing Andy for an unprecedented 40 million. I think Brunson should give Andy props for being on par with the pros, or sign on the dotted line, and let the game speak for itself.Given that Beal is the amateur, it's Brunson that looks scared in this.

[DeNuts1 0]

Tell you how to solve this: Have each party drop their pants. Whoever has the bigger d.ick wins. Thats all this is about anyway.... :roll:

[Kaz 0]

Beal is a great business man. Like all great businessmen he's going to make sure he makes money regardless of the outcome. Yes, the deal he's proposing is HEAVILY weighted in his favor. Yes, the tapes and casino bonus will make him more than 40 million over time. This is how business people make so much money they weigh things in their favor until some schmuck agrees to their terms. Personally, I hope Doyle and the gang don't bite. I would love to see the game but if they go with these terms its going to make them look rediculous.

[Adaon 0]

I think both sides know what they are doing, and that this is closer to happening then we think. If it's down to just this one point, they can probably find some way to solve it, if both sides a serious, but I get the impression that's a big if.Negotiate it to where Fox has the broadcast rights, pays royalties, but each side gets to pick 20 hands that they want shown, unedited. Each side would then get to put forward their best, while Fox would be a neutral party looking to make it into a better production for making money, thus the royalties, maybe just paid to the looser since the winner is already up $40million.As for a live broadcast, yeah the terms to the match make it to hard to do on TV. However they could do a live Internet broadcast without much effort. (I say that as someone that produces Internet broadcasts). Mic the game, no commentators. The cost would be negligible compared to the stakes of the game, and could easily be paid for out of the TV rights.

[CrazyJoe 0]

Tell you how to solve this: Have each party drop their pants. Whoever has the bigger d.ick wins. Thats all this is about anyway.... :roll:

would you add up all of "The Corporation" or would it be an average? If it's an average, I think Beal might have them, if only because of Harman, she would lower the average i think.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

To be fair in terms of monetary value, I would think that the production rights would be worth quite a bit more if Beal wins than they would be if the pros win......Beal has always wanted the production rights to this thing if it happened, I believe - his stated rationale is that his whole goal is to refute rumors that he is a total whale, so I would think the should he win, he doesn't want somebody to produce a film that suggests that he accomplished it by catching better cards and handing out bad beats. I'm not sure that this is fair to the pros, but this is what he has said more or less from the beginning.I think Beal should just pay the pros a couple million in advance for the production rights to the thing............. maybe that would fly?

[mrdannyg 274]

i bet the rights to those tapes are worth many millions, although likely not 40. you could sell tens, if not hundreds of thousands of copies. tv would replay it endlessly (how many times have you seen raymer's 10s crack those aces at the final table?) plus merchandising and everything else.and the fact that its limit would of course hurt sales, but they could jack up the price since serious poker players would probably pay through the nose for them. i know i would, and would much prefer to see how the corporation plays limit than another showy tv special where coverage starts with the blinds so big 3/4 of hands played end up with all-ins.

[DeNuts1 0]

Tell you how to solve this: Have each party drop their pants. Whoever has the bigger d.ick wins. Thats all this is about anyway.... :roll:

would you add up all of "The Corporation" or would it be an average? If it's an average, I think Beal might have them, if only because of Harman, she would lower the average i think.

HAHAHAH.....touche sir....touche. I think "The Corporation" would have to pick one and go with their um...er...strongest member.

[Adaon 0]

his stated rationale is that his whole goal is to refute rumors that he is a total whale, so I would think the should he win, he doesn't want somebody to produce a film that suggests that he accomplished it by catching better cards and handing out bad beats.

That's why I suggest let each side pick an agreed upon amount of hands that will go into the final production. Beal would get a chance to show his play at it's best, as would the other side. In the middle, let a neutral party (Fox or ESPN, or a group of poker players with no vested interest in the match) fill out the broadcast.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

his stated rationale is that his whole goal is to refute rumors that he is a total whale, so I would think the should he win, he doesn't want somebody to produce a film that suggests that he accomplished it by catching better cards and handing out bad beats.

That's why I suggest let each side pick an agreed upon amount of hands that will go into the final production. Beal would get a chance to show his play at it's best, as would the other side. In the middle, let a neutral party (Fox or ESPN, or a group of poker players with no vested interest in the match) fill out the broadcast.

Meh, I still like DeNuts1's idea better.

[CheckRaise 0]

OK, we all agree this match will not happen as proposed. Here is my attempt at a solution for a win/win. The match will be played LIVE on pay per view. I see a PPV with easily 1 million paying $40 each for a prize pool of $40,000,000. Format is winner takes all, this way the loser is out no money and the winner has $40 mill. and the bragging rights. The TV issue is void....comments?

LOL!!!!!!!!!! Worst Idea Ever, Have you watched live poker Its worse than watching your hair fall out, Get real 1million people have better things to do than pay 40$ also it could take Months to finish the match

[NDIrishdogg 0]

Beal says he currently has no intention of releasing the tapes. Why not enter into a conditional contract, whereby Beal controls the release of the tapes, but if he chooses to cut and release them, the proceeds are split 50/50? Seems like it would alleviate a lot of the concerns about profits from the taping and give Beal the ego protection he needs.

[deviper 0]

I am on Beal's side on this. This is his idea. He made it clear that it will be taped and he keeps the tapes in the beginning. Now the pros want the tapes so that they can make money from them and thus recoup the $40M they lost to him. That makes no sense to me since then they are playing for free. Since if they lose they get the money back anyway. And you know they will show all the hands that beal "got lucky". Bottom line is, this is too much money for the pros, and they just don't want to play, I don't blame them, it's like A pro asking me if I wanted to play with them in th 4K/8K game, I can't afford it, and if they play at my 20/40 game, it won't mean the same, because 20/40 for them is like chump change.Oh well, I never thought this game will take place anyway.[/quoteI really doubt that. If it was to much money they would of turn it down the first time beal asked them to play. Im pritty sure that the pros have enoufe money.

[KidKanuck 0]

A win/win....give me a f@%#ing break...a freeroll that guarantees both parties 40,000,000 dollars....of course it's win/win!Let me pose a segment of my new script for you.---scene---sitting in a bar in Texas--dialogue--Beal: "So heres the deal"Brunson: "what do ya got for me"Beal: "I'll challenge you and the corporation to a poker game for 40,000,000"Brunson: "ok"Beal "wait it gets better"Beal: "We dub it as the biggest game ever"Brunson: "ok"Beal: "then we hype it as a battle of egos and make it look like there is animosity"Brunson: "ok"Beal: "We'll tape the game, produce the sh!t out of it, hype it, sell it and try to make another 40,000,000, then split whatever there is."Brunson: "ok"Beal: "the godd@mn poker crazed public will eat this sh!t up and we'll both walk away 40,000,000 dollars richer, without ever risking a cent. How's that for a bankroll builder!?"Brunson: "he he he, ok deal"*Beal raises drink*Beal: "here's to a heated battle!"*Brunson lets out a big belly laugh*Brunson: "I'll drink to that!"---end scene---All script rights reserved. by KidKanuck Productions :think:

[Guest]

I think one of the saddest things about this (from our perspective) is that Schulman's bias could scare off Beal for using Card Player as the mediator. Without Card Player we have only rumors.