Bubba83 0 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Down to 7 players out of 104 total entries.Blinds:300/600 with a 75 ante.Pay Structure:1st - $280.802nd - $166.403rd - $119.604th - $88.405th - $72.806th - $62.407th - $52.00Stack Sizes:Hero has 29,345 chips.CO has 46,260 chips.Button has 50,330 chips.SB has 14,595 chips.Pre-flop:Hero is dealt 10 10 in Hijack. UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, CO raises to 3825, Button calls, SB goes all-in for 14520, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero ???Reads:I had played with CO pretty much the entire tournament, he was very loose preflop as far as calling, and was flopping really good to get his stack as big as it is now. He didn't raise much unless he had a good hand preflop though. Button built this huge stack right before the final table at some other table and I had no reads on him before the final table. At the final table, he limped in preflop every single hand up to this point, and had called all 3 preflop raises I made. He didn't make bluffs postflop or anything so most of the times my c-bets took the pot down.SB has been trying to get his chips in for a while and seems pretty eager. But, I don't think he'd make this shove without a pretty good ace or a pocket pair.The reason for my initial limp was because I was pretty sure both CO and Button would both be calling even if I raised 4-5x BB. I rarely play TT for set value preflop this late in a tourney but this seems to be one of the right times to do it.Push? Call? Fold? Link to post Share on other sites
Sefaje 0 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 I had played with CO pretty much the entire tournament, he was very loose preflop as far as calling, and was flopping really good to get his stack as big as it is now. He didn't raise much unless he had a good hand preflop though.SB has been trying to get his chips in for a while and seems pretty eager. But, I don't think he'd make this shove without a pretty good ace or a pocket pair.The reason for my initial limp was because I was pretty sure both CO and Button would both be calling even if I raised 4-5x BB. I rarely play TT for set value preflop this late in a tourney but this is one of the right times to do it.Push? Call? Fold?Easy fold. This is one of those "I'm at best a coinflip" situations. You already said the CO's range was 'a good hand preflop,' and so for the SB to shove with a limper, a 6xBB raiser, and a caller, I'm assuming his range to be fairly small.I wish you had posted everybody's stack size, although from doing 104 x 1500 and subtracting the 4 stacks you gave us, that means the 3 unlisted players are sharing 15k total. This isn't a spot where you need to force a play with TT. I don't think the CO will fold getting almost 2.5:1.It's not necessarily about moving up $10-35 in the payout, but about how you are definitely not the one who needs to be playing right now. These next couple orbits are yours to sit back and wait for easy situations / steal blinds.You've only got 600 invested. I avoid potentially losing 50% of my stack. Or all of it, considering the only 2 left to act after you are the only 2 at the table who can bust you. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 no brainer fold Link to post Share on other sites
Sea Wasp 0 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 I hate the preflop over limp because it achives nothing. Your hand is not strong enough to play in a multiway pot and by flat calling you have reduced to hand strength to something like 22. you will never know where you stand in the hand unless you hit a set and you have given yourself no chance of winning the pot outright. Raise the UTG limper here to 2800 in an attempt to get the pot HU or to pick up the pot right there. If you raise and someone raises over the top of you, then you can fold safe in the knowledge that your TT is not the best hand. As played you are in no mans land and have totally butchered this preflop.As played you have a clear fold. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 I hate the preflop over limp because it achives nothing. Your hand is not strong enough to play in a multiway pot and by flat calling you have reduced to hand strength to something like 22. you will never know where you stand in the hand unless you hit a set and you have given yourself no chance of winning the pot outright. Raise the UTG limper here to 2800 in an attempt to get the pot HU or to pick up the pot right there. If you raise and someone raises over the top of you, then you can fold safe in the knowledge that your TT is not the best hand. As played you are in no mans land and have totally butchered this preflop.As played you have a clear fold.With the stacks behind him, there is nothing wrong with the limp preflop. Link to post Share on other sites
Sefaje 0 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 ========== Link to post Share on other sites
Sea Wasp 0 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 I suspect that most people who post hands on forums are doing so to generate discussion on their play in the hope to become better players. i challenge you to point out one piece of advise or critisism i have given in any thread which is not aimed to improving someone's play. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted January 27, 2007 Author Share Posted January 27, 2007 I didn't butcher this hand preflop, did you not read the whole OP?Raising preflop wasn't going to fold CO or Button, so why bloat the pot when at least 1 overcard is going to flop most times and I'm out of position to the 2 huge stacks?I realize this is a pretty trivially easy fold, but I posted it because it's a multi-question thread.I folded when it got back to me...CO thinks forever and folds, Button also folds and the dude almost doubles up without playing a pot.CO says he folded JJ.Put ourselves in CO's shoes, what are we doing with JJ in his spot? Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 SB has an M of just over 10, and CO is getting almost 2:1. No way I fold JJ there with his stack. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted January 27, 2007 Author Share Posted January 27, 2007 Do you call then? Or Isolate with a raise? Button is seriously loose enough to call just because CO "made it right" with something as weak as QJ. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Do you call then? Or Isolate with a raise? Button is seriously loose enough to call just because CO "made it right" with something as weak as QJ.If the button is really loose, then I isolate. Link to post Share on other sites
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