ak vs. jj question...

[JVick4 0]

I am playing in a $25 NLHE satellite tournament and there are about 50 players in it and top 5 get an entry into a bigger tournament...there are about 25 people left, and i look down at J J in the big blind, one guy raises the standard at the table and there is one more caller in late position, so i decide that i need to make some moves and decide to reraise and see where these guys are at, the orginal raiser just calls and we go to the flop....Flop - 10 10 9 so i am first to act and we both have about the same amount of chips, which is a little bigger than the pot...so i decide to go all in for 2 main reasons...1. Thought i might win the pot right, there because didnt think he had a bigger pocket pair than me he would have reraised me preflop....and if i could win the pot right there with JJ i would be very happy...2. If he happened to have one of the remaining 10s left, then so be it and he hit a monster flop....to my surprise he calls me very quickly with A K ...and i was happy until another K came on the turn, and no J on the river, and i was out...Here are my questions...1. Can you ever justify calling with just AK in that situation...if so how? and WHY?2. I thought it was an alright play on my part, was it? (thought i got my money in with the best hand)

[justblaze 0]

[hand history]Here are my questions...1. Can you ever justify calling with just AK in that situation...if so how? and WHY?2. I thought it was an alright play on my part, was it? (thought i got my money in with the best hand)

1. no, the caller is an idiot. the ONLY way i could justify calling is if i put you on AK as well, but i'd have to be pretty damn sure. as well, gap theory dictates a fold even if im 95% sure you have AK. 2. mediocre at best. the reraise from the BB is, in my opinion, terrible. you give away the strength of your hand, and comit yourself to playing from poor position for the rest of the hand. The flop play is definitely all in. only hand i can see him holding that beats you is QQ.

[akishore 0]

1. no, unless you have some read that says he is bluffing and that your ace-high is good (which would be a ridiculously unpractical and unrealistic read... he might think he's bluffing with 22, which still has you beat).2. yes, you played it fine.aseem

[vaglvr 0]

1 nope, unless the player is playing absolutely insane, but still its a questionable call when you could probably just outplay him and find a better spot to call.2. yep, the next card very likely could be a q k or ace.. you've milked him for a reraise and you got the flop you wanted. No reraise to meant no q's k's or a's if it was late in the tournament where an all in here would make sense. You've shown you'd be committed to an all in with your reraise. If you were looking to make your move, and that was your read then you made an excellent read and had him hurting. Good job. Results aren't always what matter, did you make the good play, I think so if you thought this was time to make a move.

[Guest]

2. mediocre at best. the reraise from the BB is, in my opinion, terrible. you give away the strength of your hand, and comit yourself to playing from poor position for the rest of the hand. The flop play is definitely all in. only hand i can see him holding that beats you is QQ.I dont agree, why not re-raise to see where you stand? If orininal raiser has QQ,KK or AA he probably re raises All-in.And also DN said something on TV last night ( You want to be the aggressor not the caller) It's obvious that AK player made a horrible call and got lucky.

[Emptyeye 0]

[hand history]Here are my questions...1. Can you ever justify calling with just AK in that situation...if so how? and WHY?2. I thought it was an alright play on my part, was it? (thought i got my money in with the best hand)

My thoughts: 1. Given that you re-raised preflop, no. I say "Given that you re-raised preflop" because again, at that point, he has to put you on some huge pocket pair or MAYBE AK, so unless I have the third ten (Which would require me calling a re-raise with likely A10 or, of course, pocket 10s), there's no way I can call you there with an unimproved Big Slick.2. Not really, and here's why I think that: You were pretty sure you had the best hand, but that's a fairly scary board to anything that doesn't have at least one 10 or pocket 9s. Granted, you re-raised on the flop which redeems it somewhat (As you obviously have a strong hand), but your push in nonetheless to me screams "HELLO I AM MAKING THE CLASSIC INTERNET PLAYER'S MOVE OF PUSHING IN ON A SCARY BOARD AND PRAYING IT DIDN'T HELP YOU PLEASE DON'T CALL ME THANKS". Depending on how sophisticated a player he is, he could've interpreted your push this way and called you (Though doing so with an unimproved Big Slick is still silly). Realistically, the only thing which SHOULD call you here is something that beats you, which is a risk you were apparently willing to take.

[ofplayer 0]

Okay, so raise to 4BB, call $BB, raise to 11 BB, call, fold. 20.5 BB in the pot, you have 21BB left.I like pushing in here. I want KQ and AQ out. If you raise, you're basically committed to this pot in a tournament format like this. I can't see calling, you have to reraise. Why not apply a little bit of extra pressure and forcing hands like KQ and AQ out? If your opponent has AA/KK/QQ you're almost certainly not getting away from it anyway, so I would lean towards pushing your entire stack in.Mind you, you want to see fold-fold. You wouldn't get to this time, because I think AK is calling. But you've gotta live with that.The question here is: If a King or a Queen hits the flop, can you honestly fold?I vote all-in.As for your opponent's play, well, I would've pushed over the top with AK too instead of calling, maybe you'll get 77 or 66 to fold (probably not).After the flop, both of you need the money in the pot pretty badly. The only thing I don't understand is if your opponent puts you on a straight draw or a steal, why didn't he move in preflop? I mean, it's not a horrible play to call here. He probably figures you play A10 slower, and AA/KK slower, and other like hands. He almost has pot odds to call here, especially considering the amount he probably has now sounds like it is disastrously low.If you were both near chip leaders, than this is a disastrous play...

[justblaze 0]

I dont agree, why not re-raise to see where you stand? If orininal raiser has QQ,KK or AA he probably re raises All-in.

because you wont find out where you stand unless you are horribly behind, in which case you've just thrown away chips. Anything other than AA,KK, and *maybe* QQ, the original raiser just calls. great. what the hell does that tell you. it tells you either hes got a strong hand that isnt AA or KK, or that hes a tricky player and he's got AA or KK and is trapping you. whoop-di-doo, good raise, captain insano.

[vaglvr 0]

[hand history]2. Not really' date=' and here's why I think that: You were pretty sure you had the best hand' date=' but that's a fairly scary board to anything that doesn't have at least one 10 or pocket 9s. Granted, you re-raised on the flop which redeems it somewhat (As you obviously have a strong hand), but your push in nonetheless to me screams "HELLO I AM MAKING THE CLASSIC INTERNET PLAYER'S MOVE OF PUSHING IN ON A SCARY BOARD AND PRAYING IT DIDN'T HELP YOU PLEASE DON'T CALL ME THANKS". Depending on how sophisticated a player he is, he could've interpreted your push this way and called you (Though doing so with an unimproved Big Slick is still silly). Realistically, the only thing which SHOULD call you here is something that beats you, which is a risk you were apparently willing to take.[/quote'']To me that that's not a terribly scary flop, i am more worried about the next card. So what is your next move here after the flop..

[Guest]

I dont agree, why not re-raise to see where you stand? If orininal raiser has QQ,KK or AA he probably re raises All-in.

because you wont find out where you stand unless you are horribly behind, in which case you've just thrown away chips. Anything other than AA,KK, and *maybe* QQ, the original raiser just calls. great. what the hell does that tell you. it tells you either hes got a strong hand that isnt AA or KK, or that hes a tricky player and he's got AA or KK and is trapping you. whoop-di-doo, good raise, captain insano.

1.He might of been trying to steal the blinds did that ever occur to you oh great one?2.I played alot of MMT and any player that I raised into that had AA,KK 99% of the time they will re-raise, these so called (tricky players) that you speak of are far and few between.3.By not re-raising JJ how are you supposed to know where you stand? your still out of position on a flat call right? so are you telling me to fold to the raise? or call and only play the hand if you flop a set? or call and check flop and if other player bets, fold because he's a tricky player and has you beat for sure? c'mon your not being very clear here :roll: