Wpt Losing Steam

[enforce1973 0]

Just something I wanted to bring up. Is it me or does it seem the WPT is losing steam? It looks to me that the numbers are down for for such a well known event at Borgata. Is this a tell that poker is starting to lose its luster?What do you think?

[omahahilo 0]

Just something I wanted to bring up. Is it me or does it seem the WPT is losing steam? It looks to me that the numbers are down for for such a well known event at Borgata. Is this a tell that poker is starting to lose its luster?What do you think?

Look at the buy-ins. The reason the WSOP and WPT are very differant tournaments. Once a regular person buys into one or two $10,000.00 and doesn't cash, that's probably the end of it.The WSOP has history on its side. The ME is the pinnacle so if someone is gonna plunk down that kind of money one time, its likely to be that event, not to mention how much more you can win in the ME now that its expoloded.

[gmanshade 0]

It is also a bad sign that with a FT including Daniel, JC Tran, and Kido Pham Daniel said it will make for boring tv. They need to make a better final table structure.

[xSIDEWINDERx 0]

I think with the majority of US loses in online Poker, you will see a declince in WSOP and WPT payouts and you will also see more of the "Big Guns" return to final tables becasue there won't be a lot of cheap satellite winners in the US getting to play in the big tourneys. The "Big Guns" have the bank rolls to pay the 10,000 buy ins. I think a general decline in US interest in Poker is comming unless the poker lobby can change the laws.I find myself watching fewer Poker on TV and since I can't deposit money in online poker with out playing a lot of Mikey Mouse games (which I am not compelled to do). Too bad. I really like poker and living in a state where there are no brick and mortar facilities, it take the bite out of the game when you can't play for real money at home.

[stevesavi 0]

Look at the buy-ins. The reason the WSOP and WPT are very differant tournaments. Once a regular person buys into one or two $10,000.00 and doesn't cash, that's probably the end of it.The WSOP has history on its side. The ME is the pinnacle so if someone is gonna plunk down that kind of money one time, its likely to be that event, not to mention how much more you can win in the ME now that its expoloded.

He wasnt comparing it to the WSOP, he was comparing it to past WPT events.

[WhatArunAA 0]

It is also a bad sign that with a FT including Daniel, JC Tran, and Kido Pham Daniel said it will make for boring tv. They need to make a better final table structure.

why???.. people are watching it for ENTERTAINMENT... people enjoy seeing huge pushes and coin flips for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[HangukMiguk 8]

First off, where online can we find any kind of numbers for the WPT Borgata yet? Because I'm not finding any to compare to last years.As for WPT Tunica, you're forgetting that last year's was low too. This was due to both the WSOPC and WPT was in town. As far as I know, WPT Tunica has been the lowest attendance for WPT events every year.I wouldn't read too much into this yet.

[HangukMiguk 8]

why???.. people are watching it for ENTERTAINMENT... people enjoy seeing huge pushes and coin flips for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

If that was the case, then why is HSP the highest rated poker show on TV and the clear fan favorite? People are getting sick and tired of seeing pushfests, and want to see actual sophisticated plays.

[enforce1973 0]

He wasnt comparing it to the WSOP, he was comparing it to past WPT events.

What my post should have read was do you think the WPT is losing its appeal as the numbers are going in the wrong direction.

[HangukMiguk 8]

What my post should have read was do you think the WPT is losing its appeal as the numbers are going in the wrong direction.

I don't think so, and I think part of the reason is there is multiple major tournaments going on at or around the same time. Just this month we have had 3 WPT events (Atlantis, Tunica, and Borgata), an EPT event, the Aussie Millions, a WSOP Circuit event, and a SDPT Event. Pros are figuring out which events to play in advance, and amateurs only have so much time and money to invest in these and can't play a heavy schedule.I think it could easily be blamed with the circuit being oversaturated with majors.

[No_Neck 0]

not as many online poker sites advertising as there use to be. The WPT probably isn't getting nearly as much money for the shows as they use to.

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

I don't think so, and I think part of the reason is there is multiple major tournaments going on at or around the same time. Just this month we have had 3 WPT events (Atlantis, Tunica, and Borgata), an EPT event, the Aussie Millions, a WSOP Circuit event, and a SDPT Event. Pros are figuring out which events to play in advance, and amateurs only have so much time and money to invest in these and can't play a heavy schedule.I think it could easily be blamed with the circuit being oversaturated with majors.

I agree. I think if you looked at total major tourney buyins spent in jan 06 vs jan 07, you'd definitely see an increase.

[JaysForLife 0]

570 ppl seems like a pretty decent field. Anyone know the numbers from last year?

[outsider13 0]

570 ppl seems like a pretty decent field. Anyone know the numbers from last year?

545 I believe.

[WhatArunAA 0]

I don't think so, and I think part of the reason is there is multiple major tournaments going on at or around the same time. Just this month we have had 3 WPT events (Atlantis, Tunica, and Borgata), an EPT event, the Aussie Millions, a WSOP Circuit event, and a SDPT Event. Pros are figuring out which events to play in advance, and amateurs only have so much time and money to invest in these and can't play a heavy schedule.I think it could easily be blamed with the circuit being oversaturated with majors.

I agree with you. BUT... WPT is trying to appeal to the recreational gambler.. the people that think its more luck than skill... thats why the strcuture hasnt been changed in my opinion.

[Mercury69 3]

Yup, it's all over for the WPT.On the other hand, it could be that there are "fewer" people because some of the online sats were canned because of the Frist thing. I dunno.

[rgold79 0]

If that was the case, then why is HSP the highest rated poker show on TV and the clear fan favorite? People are getting sick and tired of seeing pushfests, and want to see actual sophisticated plays.

People want to see popular players they recognize with personality. A lot of WPT final tables may offer only 1 or 2 "known" players, if that. On HSP everyone is a household name. Hence, more people watching. Also, ratings for the WPT are still very healthy.

[Collotto 0]

Here's a comparision of all the WPT seasons at Pokerpages.WPT Seasons Comparison

[TwoFourOffsuit 0]

First off, where online can we find any kind of numbers for the WPT Borgata yet? Because I'm not finding any to compare to last years.As for WPT Tunica, you're forgetting that last year's was low too. This was due to both the WSOPC and WPT was in town. As far as I know, WPT Tunica has been the lowest attendance for WPT events every year.I wouldn't read too much into this yet.

Could the fact that Borgata and Tunica were run back to back (remember, Daniel and others had to catch a chartered plane to get from one to the other on time) have a little something to do with the recent turnout? It's hard to buy into two high stakes events that are so close to one another.

[HangukMiguk 8]

I agree. I think if you looked at total major tourney buyins spent in jan 06 vs jan 07, you'd definitely see an increase.

there were a shocking 747 players (if i'm correct) in the aussie millions. That's up from last year, which held 418 entrants. The WPT in Atlantis attracted 937 entries. Last year had 724. The WPT Tunica hosted 294, down only 33 from last year. 570 in this year's Borgata tournament, which is up from 381 last year. The EPT Scandinavian Open hosted 400 this year, up from 281 last year. The WSOPC event got 377, which is up from 241 last year.You are correct without a doubt. The only event this month that has lost entrants this year was the WPT Tunica, which there could be a number of reasons for that. But with the numbers out in front of you, there is no possible way to argue that the WPT or any other major circuit tournament, or poker as a whole, is losing steam.

[showstopper24 0]

It is also a bad sign that with a FT including Daniel, JC Tran, and Kido Pham Daniel said it will make for boring tv. They need to make a better final table structure.

this is a bad sign, but the WPT's top priority is to produce a good tv show. by having the final table only about 6 hours, it costs them less to make it

[HangukMiguk 8]

The only event this month that has lost entrants this year was the WPT Tunica, which there could be a number of reasons for that.

Come to think about it, someone posted above that a possible reason is that the WPT Tunica and WPT Borgata events are so close together. I think if you couple that with Daniel's statement that almost everyone complains about the food there, and you have an answer to the question why Tunica gets so fewer.Come to think about it as well, I remember us having this SAME argument last year when the WSOPC and WPT Tunica both got low numbers last year.I just wouldn't worry about it at all guys. We'll just argue it again next year, and probably come to the same conclusion again.

[navybuttons 15]

Come to think about it, someone posted above that a possible reason is that the WPT Tunica and WPT Borgata events are so close together. I think if you couple that with Daniel's statement that almost everyone complains about the food there, and you have an answer to the question why Tunica gets so fewer.Come to think about it as well, I remember us having this SAME argument last year when the WSOPC and WPT Tunica both got low numbers last year.I just wouldn't worry about it at all guys. We'll just argue it again next year, and probably come to the same conclusion again.

you're a pretty smart guy sometimes. good posts in this thread.

[HangukMiguk 8]

you're a pretty smart guy sometimes. good posts in this thread.

Thanks. I like to switch up my play so people don't know whether I'm an idiot or a genius. It works.