Bubba83 0 Posted January 26, 2007 Author Share Posted January 26, 2007 "Seat 3: Bryan Sumner 596,000- I don't like his approach. A total pre-flop player that plays a pretty ABC game for the most part. Looks to gamble pre-flop by coming over the top of raises. The WPT final table structure will help him out in a big way since the focus becomes pre-flop play at these crapshoot like final tables."That means, Sumner very likely won't let Daniel see a flop without being allin in this situation, so his only decision is between fold or all-in.Shouldn't this be more support for limping and letting him move in with worse hands? Then again, it didn't work with A 10 the hand before so maybe he tried something different?If you're still lurking Daniel, why is this a no brainer push, when you limped with A 10 the hand before? What's different this hand? Is A 10 so strong that you didn't want to blast him out of the pot? Link to post Share on other sites
doox 15 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 It's my thinking that you wouldn't want to play a similar hand the same way preflop 2 hands in a row. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted January 26, 2007 Author Share Posted January 26, 2007 It probably depends whether or not you think your opponent will know that you probably won't limp another ace after you just had to show your A 10 preflop limp at showdown. Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Shouldn't this be more support for limping and letting him move in with worse hands? Then again, it didn't work with A 10 the hand before so maybe he tried something different?If you're still lurking Daniel, why is this a no brainer push, when you limped with A 10 the hand before? What's different this hand? Is A 10 so strong that you didn't want to blast him out of the pot? A-3 is in bad shape against a lot of hands and can't be a significant favorite over any hand. A-10 is a MUCH stronger hand that I didn't mind him pushing with. With A-3, I was hoping he'd fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted January 26, 2007 Author Share Posted January 26, 2007 Thanks for the reply...Shouldn't you be getting sleep about now so you can break more records?Good Luck. Link to post Share on other sites
doox 15 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 No kidding. Not to be your mother or anything, but GO TO BED!Good luck tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites
Jam-Fly 8 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I'm just reading all the updates from day 1 now, and heres another strange hand:Mark Seif raises to $1,100 from the small blind and Vanessa Rousso reraises $2,000 more. Seif makes the call and the flop comes 5:spade:4:heart:3:spade:. Both players check and the turn is the K:club:. Seif checks and Rousso immediately moves all in for her last $22,900. Seif goes into the tank and the two start talking. Rousso tells Seif that she wants him to call after he asks her. Finally, the clock is called on Seif and he makes the call, showing K:diamond:j:spade:. However, Rousso turns over A:diamond:K:heart: and is in the lead. But, the river comes the J:heart: and Seif rivers two pair to eliminate Rousso from the tournament. anyone have an explanation? Link to post Share on other sites
Whatever 1 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 anyone have an explanation?We don't know how many chips Seif has for one. *shrug* He just thought she was bluffing I guess. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 We don't know how many chips Seif has for one. *shrug* He just thought she was bluffing I guess.It is an insanely large overbet.I think AK generally makes more of a value bet... Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I'm just reading all the updates from day 1 now, and heres another strange hand:Mark Seif raises to $1,100 from the small blind and Vanessa Rousso reraises $2,000 more. Seif makes the call and the flop comes 5:spade:4:heart:3:spade:. Both players check and the turn is the K:club:. Seif checks and Rousso immediately moves all in for her last $22,900. Seif goes into the tank and the two start talking. Rousso tells Seif that she wants him to call after he asks her. Finally, the clock is called on Seif and he makes the call, showing K:diamond:j:spade:. However, Rousso turns over A:diamond:K:heart: and is in the lead. But, the river comes the J:heart: and Seif rivers two pair to eliminate Rousso from the tournament. anyone have an explanation?He put her on AQ, AJ, 66, 77, 88, 99, TT, JJ, QQ? An oddly played QJs? I like her play.And for the person who said, "We don't know how many chips Seif had.." He had her covered. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 It is an insanely large overbet.I think AK generally makes more of a value bet...Which is why I think it was such a good play. Link to post Share on other sites
silkyjonson 1 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Pretty much when it got to heads up IMO it should have been an all in fest calling and pushing with a ton of hands. Unfortunately the circumstances dictated that the hand selection should be very how u say shhhiteeeeeeeee. Say your pushing with 89 and get called with ak you still have a good shot at winning the pot, and unfortunately DN's skill at that point is pretty much null with the blinds so high its bingo. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 The board comes the 8543QMake that "8" an "A" and we're all talking about what a genius Daniel is. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 A-3 is not exactly weak head's up. It's just unfortunate his opp had a PP and hit the flop for a set. Link to post Share on other sites
Livaso 0 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 It's so sickening to listen to his circuit interview of late. He acts like his small ball play is revolutionary, or that he is the bottom line of poker.Its almost certainly revolutionary. At least to usI love it and it works amazingly well against intermediate players. I think Daniel might regret spilling the beans on this strategy in the future. Just like Brunson regretted spilling the beans on aggression. I'm putting it on the same par as aggression in terms of the kind of changes it could make to poker approach. I don't want to get into a sample size argument or anything, but I find using this strategy in MTT to be effortless. Like it comes naturally. Its hard online because you have to put too much trust on your instincts, and I've been paying rent with poker this year so I don't have the time to waste on MTT to get a big enough sample. All I know is there are some very nitty nitty players. What Daniel said in his video blog at the last WSOP is very true. Intermediate players are walking ATMs in big tournaments because they don't know how to play a flop or how to react to concentrated looseness. I've got definite holes in my approach but that's probably because I don't fully understand it yet. I just hope DN releases the book before people catch on Link to post Share on other sites
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