Busted

[NoSup4U 0]

Freddie went a little crazy on HSP when they called him out for going south, maybe thats what he means.Also, a random person cutting the deck is just so standard. I play with close friends, and we do all sorts of stuff that would never fly in a 'real' game when we goof around, like looking at other people's cards before we fold, etc.But someone that didn't shuffle ALWAYS cuts the deck. Its just habit for card players. I think instituting the 'small blind always shuffles and dealer always cuts' rule is a good one.Mark

[No_Neck 0]

Freddie went a little crazy on HSP when they called him out for going south, maybe thats what he means.Also, a random person cutting the deck is just so standard. I play with close friends, and we do all sorts of stuff that would never fly in a 'real' game when we goof around, like looking at other people's cards before we fold, etc.But someone that didn't shuffle ALWAYS cuts the deck. Its just habit for card players. I think instituting the 'small blind always shuffles and dealer always cuts' rule is a good one.Mark

yeah looks like that is what it is coming to, the reason we didn't have this is because if you saw this card game you would realize it isn't about the money. It is basically a everyone gets drunk and makes plans for the weekend sort of thing, we probably only play 40 hands in 4 hours LOL.

[Mercury69 3]

I am saddened by this...I'll need to go watch the Colbert Report to make things right.

[fleung22 1]

any cheating is not tolerable even for $5 dollars. I don't want to play with people that I can't trust.

agreed. the amount doesn't make it any better. the very idea of somebody cheating pisses me off to no end. i am more than capable of setting a deck since i am familiar with card manipulation (re: magic tricks) but i've never actually used it for the purpose of financial gain.the fact that the amount is smaller in this case only makes it more of a weasel move. the players are obviously there just to have fun and chill.everybody has their own sense of justice. i'll leave it to the no neck courtroom.

[wisky_VI 0]

Well in my 'home games' I shuffle and courtesy cut, as do most players UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE ASKS for the player behind to cut. If so fine by me, heck if anyone thinks I'm cheating they shouldn't play with me.As for this case u posted of cheating, man I'd lose that guy like a bad habit. If he's won little or nothign from the group well so be it, if he's won a bunch I'd think at least an azz kickin is in order to set things right.

[No_Neck 0]

As for this case u posted of cheating, man I'd lose that guy like a bad habit. If he's won little or nothign from the group well so be it, if he's won a bunch I'd think at least an azz kickin is in order to set things right.

he has probably made $100 over three months, the problem with this is that a guy that is going to cheat over a home game is also going to call the cops when people beat him down. getting arrested for assault is not EV+ I think I am just going to make sure everyone in the Boston area knows he is a cheat and go from there.

[wisky_VI 0]

a good shot to the gut at least man !! hehehe:icon_clap: as for the Boston PD, doubt they give any care about such a small private non raked game......

[dbrent2 0]

he has probably made $100 over three months, the problem with this is that a guy that is going to cheat over a home game is also going to call the cops when people beat him down. getting arrested for assault is not EV+ I think I am just going to make sure everyone in the Boston area knows he is a cheat and go from there.

Does he have a car? Put it on cinder blocks, where the tires are barely off the ground and he can't move.I deal the local game every now and then. Minimum 3 shuffles, mandatory cut with cut card on bottom. In a home game, we had a guy, when he dealt, would sneak a peak at the burn cards by pushing them off the deck and leaning back in his chair. I sat to his left one night, and if I was in the hand and he pulled this trick, I made sure I was leaning back and saw the card, then told everyone in the hand what the card was and had it exposed. Pretty soon, he quit doing this sort of tactic...

[Abbaddabba 0]

I caught someone giving himself aces every hand he dealt very obviously off of the bottom of the deck. By far the worst attempt at cheating ive ever seen. He didnt raise preflop and would generally wait for the river to bet big. The rest of the board wasnt rigged, so you could easily make tons off of him.I told the rest of the table when he was on a smoke break, but like retards, they insisted on calling him out when they saw him do it.One guy told him to show us his hole cards before the hand played out, and he got all defensive. He said "I just dont want to show the cards... it's not that i have aces, i just dont want to show them". ANd then he grabbed the deck and shoved his cards back in. Everyone rolled their eyes. He asked accusingly if anyone wanted to take him out of the game, but none of hte other guys were willing to do anything. I'd have helped mash the ketchup stained retard's face up, but im not going to start that when im pretty sure i had no back up (they were just people from around school). Yes, he actually had a ketchup stain on his shirt. A very noticable one. This was at REV at u of waterloo. I just cashed out. Surprisingly a lot of the others didnt. (i also saw him cheating even more blatantly by changing his hole cards at the river... but the ****ing moron was too stupid to even give himself a winning hand accidentally)

[TylerSalzman 0]

As soon as I was sure he was cheating there was not another hand delt, I just wanted to make sure that he was cheating, it does sound like sour grapes because he had beaten me out of a few major pots.

When I caught a guy cheating at my house I told him that I caught him cheating and that he was a cheater in front of everyone and told him that he was not welcome and not coming to my house ever again. It was a little hard because he was friends with some of the guys, but he lost out in the end because we used to play at my house almost every single night and everyone was always there except him. Why people would cheat their friends I have no idea, but they are dispicable.Always Always Always cut the deck. A guy at a party the other day was showing me his ability to set the deck. I was watching him shuffle and couldn't even tell, but he was able to deal me KK and himself AA. He was also able to deal me AA and have his 44 trip up on the flop. Some scary ****. Always use one of those red plastic things on the bottom of the deck to prevent bottom dealing. and don't let people shuffle where they slide the cards in and out of the deck as that is the easiest way to set the deck.My first night ever at a big cash game with a bunch of complete strangers I saw the host "accidentally" knock his chips over when he wasn't involved in the pot and as he was pulling them back in towards his stack he grabbed a 20$ chip out of the current pot that wasn't his. I was at just the right angle (to his right) in order to see it. No one else saw. He pulled it off very well, which scared me and made me think he does it quite often. He was also the host and a very aggressive guy so I wasn't about to say anything. I was up around 800$ playing this 1/2 game for the first time (I usually play .10/.25 online) so I was pretty nervous to have that kind of money in the first place. A lot of the guys there weren't the best characters either. Had it been on my turf, with people I knew I would have crucified him, but I didn't wanna get killed.Anyway, everyone watch your asses as cheating is rampant!!

[Startled 0]

I'll second the vote to use a cut card and force cuts. One of the challenges I face in my home games is to insist on the security protocols, even though nobody is suspected of cheating. People get defensive. We always hand the dealer a shuffled deck, and it is his job to do a cut onto the cut card (different than cutting behind, but just as effective, I think). One guy inisists on shuffling again, and he always seems to forget to use the cut card. I'm constantly asking him to cut again and use the cut card. No big deal, he for sure isn't interested in cheating, it just annoys the heck out of me. If I saw someone cheating, for sure cheating, I wouldn't confront him. Nor would I call him out in front of everyone. It is usually impossible to prove, and you'll wind up in a situation of accusation and denial. People will feel uncomfortable, will find it difficult to beleive their 'buddy' would cheat, will try to rationalize that you misunderstood what you saw, etc. Leave the game or accept that in a social game it may not be worth disrupting the web of friendships to straighten him out. At low stakes, I might let it go, or have a quiet word with the cheater that you'll be paying special attention to his card-handling. At higher stakes, I'd just leave. If I had friends there, I might tell them why I left. I'd also allow a little tolerance for the idea that I MIGHT be wrong, and did misinterpret his actions. I'd really want to see more than one incident to be sure, unless it was particularly blatant. On the other hand, I have absolutely no problem using the phrase "they'd shoot you for that in the old days", if I saw someone leave the room with the deck. I'd simply - and without rancour - say: "let's shuffle that deck up again", or just take the cards from his hand and give him a shuffled deck. It is far easier to prevent someone from cheating than it is to prove he is. Oh, and asking to see his hand -- as in Rounders -- as proof he's cheating? Doesn't cut it with me. What if someone accuses ME of cheating, and I just happen to have the nuts at that moment? Eeek.

[fleung22 1]

FYI cutting the deck ONCE is what you want. any more than one cut of the deck allows for fake cuts. cut cards greatly reduce the ability to cheat. if you don't have an actual cut card use the joker of a different colour deck.

[TylerSalzman 0]

I also forgot to mention that there are special decks where every single card is marked. They have very intricate backs and only someone who knows they are marked can see exactly what the mark means but every card has a mark that signifies exactly what the card is.

[Teffy 0]

So I caught a cheat in our $5 dollar home game. He was blatantly stacking the deck in his favor. We have two deck system one shuffles while the other one is dealing. So anyway I watched him all night doing half shuffles and never mixing in the top 10 (or so) cards of the deck with the rest of the deck. So how long do you go before calling someone out? The straw that broke the camels back was when I had just won a three way allin and there was a lot of distractions, it was his deal and he left the room with the deck. I decided to see the following hand with A rag. and I just happened to flop top two pair and he hits a 3 fives on the river.What would you do?

no one to blame here except the 9 other IDIOTS at the table.1. only idiots play without a mandatory deck cut. Especially when the shuffle is happening during an active hand.2. NO ONE SAID ANYTHING WHEN HE LEFT THE ROOM WITH THE DECK?

[Teffy 0]

I'll second the vote to use a cut card and force cuts. One of the challenges I face in my home games is to insist on the security protocols, even though nobody is suspected of cheating. People get defensive. We always hand the dealer a shuffled deck, and it is his job to do a cut onto the cut card (different than cutting behind, but just as effective, I think). One guy inisists on shuffling again, and he always seems to forget to use the cut card. I'm constantly asking him to cut again and use the cut card. No big deal, he for sure isn't interested in cheating, it just annoys the heck out of me. If I saw someone cheating, for sure cheating, I wouldn't confront him. Nor would I call him out in front of everyone. It is usually impossible to prove, and you'll wind up in a situation of accusation and denial. People will feel uncomfortable, will find it difficult to beleive their 'buddy' would cheat, will try to rationalize that you misunderstood what you saw, etc. Leave the game or accept that in a social game it may not be worth disrupting the web of friendships to straighten him out. At low stakes, I might let it go, or have a quiet word with the cheater that you'll be paying special attention to his card-handling. At higher stakes, I'd just leave. If I had friends there, I might tell them why I left. I'd also allow a little tolerance for the idea that I MIGHT be wrong, and did misinterpret his actions. I'd really want to see more than one incident to be sure, unless it was particularly blatant. On the other hand, I have absolutely no problem using the phrase "they'd shoot you for that in the old days", if I saw someone leave the room with the deck. I'd simply - and without rancour - say: "let's shuffle that deck up again", or just take the cards from his hand and give him a shuffled deck. It is far easier to prevent someone from cheating than it is to prove he is. Oh, and asking to see his hand -- as in Rounders -- as proof he's cheating? Doesn't cut it with me. What if someone accuses ME of cheating, and I just happen to have the nuts at that moment? Eeek.

Than your retarded.also - simple, standard rule, imlpemented by every single home game i have EVER played in - player right of dealer cuts. every time. no question.sorry for so many posts here, but i just find it absolutely idiotic that anyone doesn't have MANDATORY SAFEGUARDS in place to prevent even the slightest possibility of cheating. If you don't - than it is YOUR fault that you got cheated.

[Guru1069 0]

put a dress and wig or tar and feather on the culprit whatever works for you. Hand cuff him publicly to a post or structure and have a sign set up saying something like " Don't cheat your friends at poker" or " I'm a little school girl and I'd like to have my *** spanked" It's less violent then cutting a finger off and beating the sh#t out of them. Plus you'll have plenty of material to load up to you tube. Or precautionary for anyone else that decides to cheat in your home game.

[Jam-Fly 8]

In my home games and in the local pub games (pretty much like home games) there is always the option to cut but no one rly does it because they trust everyone.It is self dealt and people usually just 'box' the cards. I am an almost professional dealer (I have only dealt in tournaments so I wouldn't quite call myself fully professional) and I do the standard 'casino' shuffle. Spread the across the table (if theres enough room) do the riffles etc. I always offer the cut and a few times I could tell the guy was getting a bit suspicous, so he cut, he saw I didn't cheat, and it was fine.In some home games, I have fixed the cards, stuff like, one guy to get a royal flush and the other to get 4 of a kind. This was just with chips (no real money on the line) and everyone was just having fun. I didn't even fix it for myself. Although my friends are aware of it, the know I would never do it in a real game because I am an honest poker player. In fact, it rly annoys me when people say stuff like 'poker players are liars'. It's assholes like the OP mentioned that give us a bad reputation.But what that guy did is sick. If I ever try to genuinely cheat in a $5 game with my friends, just shoot me

[OrzyVibe 0]

In my home game, the player right of the dealer ALWAYS cuts the card before each hand. And we burn cards before the flop, turn and river. That is some sick schit that friends would phuck over friends playing low-stakes home game poker.

[No_Neck 0]

In my home game, the player right of the dealer ALWAYS cuts the card before each hand. And we burn cards before the flop, turn and river. That is some sick schit that friends would phuck over friends playing low-stakes home game poker.

isn't it though? He has sent me an email saying that this is bullshit and he thought I was joking the whole time. Yeah right buddy....