jennifer harman

[steve7stud 0]

Comparing Jen Harman to Kathy and Annie is like comparing apples to oranges. I mean that in the nicest way possible. What a lot of people don't realize is that Kathy and Annie get attention because they are women. The press "needs" females in poker to talk about. I've played with Kathy and I thought she was "okay". I don't think that I've ever played with Annie, but I think that she is "okay" as well. I've never played with Jennifer before, but I have watched her play. I thought she was incredible. One thing that you have to keep in mind, is that in order for her to play 4-8k, she has to be a SUPERIOR poker player. And that has nothing to do with gender. Torunaments don't tell you if you're the best player in the world. They will tell you that you won that day, and you made a good chunk of change though. Many tournament players are fish in live games, and vice versa. But Jennifer, similar to Daniel has the ability to dominate in both cash games and tournaments on the highest level. That is a true gift, which the other ladies don't share, in my opinion.Here's where Daniel and I might disagree though. I WOULD take David Oppenheim's action in a heads up Limit Hold Em game over Jen Harman.

[hotdog da 2rd 0]

when did u see her play 4k-8k?? what yr did she dominate the tourney scene??blah blah blah

[slappy110 0]

wow this just came out of nowhere...like...like he's arguing with someone...loli do agree with you though...she's not a top female player, shes simply a top player

[Random Fluke 0]

when did u see her play 4k-8k??

Jeniffer is a regular in the 4/8. She plays more than almost anyone else. She is one of a handful of players in the world capable of holding their own in that game. People see tourney players on tv and think because they are on tv they must be the best in the world, but the truly great players are the one's who can survive the big game. There is no female player (and very very few male players) on this planet who compares to Harman, period. Most of the players you see on tv would be destroyed by the big game.

[KDawgCometh 2]

Here's where Daniel and I might disagree though. I WOULD take David Oppenheim's action in a heads up Limit Hold Em game over Jen Harman.

well I would too because at worst David will explode and start yelling so much that the other player would be put on tilt and he'd be okay since he's used to doing that :-)

[offsuitbluff 0]

Jenn Harman certainly never dominated the tournament scene. And while tournaments dont always come down to the best players eventually the best players will make it to more final tables. Jenn Harman hasn't really made alot.It's ok to admit that she is clearly an average tournament player amongst pros.I dont know that she is consistantly playing 4-8 but she definitly plays some high stakes poker and is certainly a good player.

[DeNuts1 0]

Jenn Harman certainly never dominated the tournament scene.  And while tournaments dont always come down to the best players eventually the best players will make it to more final tables.  Jenn Harman hasn't really made alot.It's ok to admit that she is clearly an average tournament player amongst pros.I dont know that she is consistantly playing 4-8 but she definitly plays some high stakes poker and is certainly a good player.

Now you know

[MikeR 0]

when did u see her play 4k-8k??

Jeniffer is a regular in the 4/8. She plays more than almost anyone else. She is one of a handful of players in the world capable of holding their own in that game. People see tourney players on tv and think because they are on tv they must be the best in the world, but the truly great players are the one's who can survive the big game. There is no female player (and very very few male players) on this planet who compares to Harman, period. Most of the players you see on tv would be destroyed by the big game.

As opposed to the guys who "got destroyed by the big game"? The truly big game seems to me just to be the same people losing and getting money back over and over an over again. (although I wouldn't be suprised to see that Jennifer was a consistant wuinner at the game, as all the other players seem like degenerate gamblers "Hey I'll bet you 100,00 grand you can't do a pushup", "Oh yeah, I'll bet you 100,000 grand E Dawg can open his eyes wider than yours Phil"

[SuperNashwan 0]

Don't forget Harman's been pretty ill recently and long tourneys weren't really feasible. I think you'll be seeing a lot more of her at final tables now she's had her operation.

[offsuitbluff 0]

I dont

[SabaAba 0]

when did u see her play 4k-8k??

Jeniffer is a regular in the 4/8. She plays more than almost anyone else. She is one of a handful of players in the world capable of holding their own in that game. People see tourney players on tv and think because they are on tv they must be the best in the world, but the truly great players are the one's who can survive the big game. There is no female player (and very very few male players) on this planet who compares to Harman, period. Most of the players you see on tv would be destroyed by the big game.

As opposed to the guys who "got destroyed by the big game"? The truly big game seems to me just to be the same people losing and getting money back over and over an over again. (although I wouldn't be suprised to see that Jennifer was a consistant wuinner at the game, as all the other players seem like degenerate gamblers "Hey I'll bet you 100,00 grand you can't do a pushup", "Oh yeah, I'll bet you 100,000 grand E Dawg can open his eyes wider than yours Phil"

Wow, where do these guys get 100 million to bet on stupid things like that? :-) LOL

[All_In 0]

http://www.pokerexchange.com/player_biogra...arman_Traniellohttp://www.poker-corner.com/harman.html

[steve7stud 0]

Jenn Harman certainly never dominated the tournament scene. And while tournaments dont always come down to the best players eventually the best players will make it to more final tables. Jenn Harman hasn't really made alot.It's ok to admit that she is clearly an average tournament player amongst pros.I dont know that she is consistantly playing 4-8 but she definitly plays some high stakes poker and is certainly a good player.

She won two wsop bracelets and just came in 2nd at 10k wsop event. In addition to that, she was on the bubble for the WPT in Borgata a year or two ago. I really don't know how many tournaments Jen has played. But I can tell you that she is a success. Unless you've played at the wsop and taken home a bracelet, calling her an average tournament player is pretty absurd. Anyone who can best a field and win is a great player on some level. But my point was, not only is she successful in cash games, she is also successful in tournaments. It's amazing, people love to sit behind their computer screens and pass judgement. Especially the 18-21 year olds who are fairly new to the game. I think 2% of people who play poker are winning players, and Jen falls into that group. To call her average amongst pros is a REALLY silly comment. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But spend some time in the real world, before you make a post. Good Luck.

[offsuitbluff 0]

maybe you should read my post more carefully. "Unless you've played at the wsop and taken home a bracelet, calling her an average tournament player is pretty "no, that reasoning is absurd, plus I called her "average tournament player amongst pros"which she is, there are a ton of top pros that aren't as good overall as Jen Harman but are more succesfull at tournaments. I'm comparing her to the elite players in the world, (even though I'm admittingly not one) and I think there are quite a few that rank higher as far as tournaments go.Yes, she has two wsop bracelets which is a big deal, however dont forget that one of them is in a game that she new absolutely nothing about at the time she played in the tournament, and while i'm not trying completely discredit that win to luck, I'll say she wasn't even 1000-1 to win it giving the circumstances, and all the great players the have more knowledge of the game(deuce to seven triple draw.)

[steve7stud 0]

maybe you should read my post more carefully. "Unless you've played at the wsop and taken home a bracelet, calling her an average tournament player is pretty "no, that reasoning is absurd, plus I called her "average tournament player amongst pros"which she is, there are a ton of top pros that aren't as good overall as Jen Harman but are more succesfull at tournaments. I'm comparing her to the elite players in the world, (even though I'm admittingly not one) and I think there are quite a few that rank higher as far as tournaments go.Yes, she has two wsop bracelets which is a big deal, however dont forget that one of them is in a game that she new absolutely nothing about at the time she played in the tournament, and while i'm not trying completely discredit that win to luck, I'll say she wasn't even 1000-1 to win it giving the circumstances, and all the great players the have more knowledge of the game(deuce to seven triple draw.)

I did read your post carefully. But this is becoming boring and mundane. I have a great suggestion for you. I'm not sure what level you play at. But, if one day you play with "the pros" as you like to call them. Ask THEM what they think of Jen. See if they think she is a world class player, whether it be in tournaments or in cash games. As far as her win in 2-7, lets look at that for a minute. She decided that she wanted to play the game, and got a quick tutorial from Howard before the event started. 2-7 is a people game and a position game. Both are SKILLS that Jennifer knew all about before she played. The formalities of the game are fairly simplistic. Furthermore, she now plays 2-7 as well as other games with the best in the world for the highest stakes available. Did she really get lucky to win that event?

[offsuitbluff 0]

"But this is becoming boring and mundane"we agree there!I look at the 2-7 win as a lucky win because a ton of other players in that event also understand in great detail position, tournament strategy and are great readers, plus have a more in depth mathematical knowledge of the game. I wouldn't want to take anything away from the other players in the field.

[Bluffs2005 0]

All I know is :wink: , Jennifer is hot and I would have trouble focusing on my cards......

[slappy110 0]

wow...go check out that link if you haven't already....thats 14 top 10 finishes, and several just outside of that. If thats not domiating in some form, thats at the very least exceptional.

[budroyale121 0]

"which she is, there are a ton of top pros that aren't as good overall as Jen Harman but are more succesfull at tournaments. I'm comparing her to the elite players in the world, (even though I'm admittingly not one) and I think there are quite a few that rank higher as far as tournaments go. " Why do so many people judge poker players based on their tournament wins. I quote from Phil Ivey's Cardplayer article last November about the importance of playing in the big game versus tournaments. "You have to play in the biggest games in the world and win. There's no way that a guy who's successful in just tournaments is the best in the world. If a guy's done well in tournaments but can't beat the live games, he isn't the best player. He goes on to say "You need to be able to compete in all games. You need to play no-limit, pot-limit Omaha, no limit deuce-to-seven, limit hold'em, stud, and Omaha eight or better." Those are some powerful statements from a man considered to be one of the best poker players in the world. I agree with steve7stud about calling Jennifer Harmen an average player. Remember she played heads-up and defeated Andy Beal the wealthy Texas banker who challenge the local pros to heads up limit hold'em. And we are not talking about playing with tournament chips, but instead playing with $50,000 to $100,000 limits with real money. How many top tournament players can play that high with real money on the line? Let alone on a consistent basis. Moreover, Jennifer Harmen not only won two WSOP braclets, but according to Super System 2 she appeared at the final table of the WSOP in seven-card stud, pot-limit hold'em, and twice in limit hold'em events. She won the no-limit hold'em championship at the Commerce Casino in 1998 the same year that she won the limit hold'em even at the Orleans. That is quite an impressive record for a women that you called an "average tournament player." By the way, she can be found in the big game at the Bellagio on any given night where the blinds are $4,000 and $8,000 and cap is $100,000.

[Guest Anonymous]

KATHY LIEBERT IS THE BIGGIEST SCUMBAG I HAVE EVER MET. SHE IS A TOTAL PAIN IN THE ASS ASK ANY OF THE DEALERS AT THE MAJOR CASINOS SHE CAN BARLEY HOLD HER OWN IN A 20/40 GAME AND NEVER TIPS IF SHE WINS TOURNMENTS YOUR LUCKY IF YOU GET 1% Out of her, she is total trash, and she looks like trash on tv as well

[Vade 0]

KATHY LIEBERT IS THE BIGGIEST SCUMBAG I HAVE EVER MET. SHE IS A TOTAL PAIN IN THE ASS ASK ANY OF THE DEALERS AT THE MAJOR CASINOS SHE CAN BARLEY HOLD HER OWN IN A 20/40 GAME AND NEVER TIPS IF SHE WINS TOURNMENTS YOUR LUCKY IF YOU GET 1% Out of her, she is total trash, and she looks like trash on tv as well

Get a life and get off our forumEvery thing you have posted is derrogatory BS

[steve7stud 0]

"Those are some powerful statements from a man considered to be one of the best poker players in the world. I agree with steve7stud about calling Jennifer Harmen an average player."I think you have me confused with the other guy. I never said the she was an average player. I did enjoy your post though. You brought up a lot of great points.It's pretty obvious that I think that Jennifer is an incredible player, regardless of what gender she is. If you really want to compare her to someone. I think it would be fair to compare her to Daniel Negreanu, John Juanda and Phil Ivey. These are all players who exceed in BOTH cash games and in tournaments. If you're thinking that she might be a little out of place in that group. Just ask any of them how they would feel if they had to play her heads up in Limit Hold Em. And for the record, I haven't read Super System 2, but I've heard her chapter is quite informative.