Limit Hold'em

[Rounder821 0]

I'm Wondering what peoples thoughts are on Limit Hold'em some people i've talked to say that its a dieing game. I disagree I think it isn't as popular because there arn't as many limit games. When people start playing poker for the first time they see NL on TV and jump right to that game. I think the problem is people want to think they have the most gamble and play a game where they can push all there chips in at once. But they forget one you want to avoid being all-in as much as possible. Most NL players need to play Limit. In Poker tournys like the WSOP and WPT half the hold'em events should be limit

[Zach6668 513]

Very insightful and informative post.

[alanstats 0]

Ill bump this so acesup64 can see it and respond

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

I'm Wondering what peoples thoughts are on Limit Hold'em some people i've talked to say that its a dieing game. I disagree I think it isn't as popular because there arn't as many limit games. When people start playing poker for the first time they see NL on TV and jump right to that game. I think the problem is people want to think they have the most gamble and play a game where they can push all there chips in at once. But they forget one you want to avoid being all-in as much as possible. Most NL players need to play Limit. In Poker tournys like the WSOP and WPT half the hold'em events should be limit

Though lhe is kind of dying, I believe it has more to do with the higher variance and frequency of bad beats. In fact I think limit is much more of a gambling game than NL is. The low blind structure of NL encourages tight play even in players who would play a very loose style of lhe. When the poker explosion began lhe experienced the same surge that NL did, but has died off somewhat as players have gone broke. I have a feeling the same phenomena will occur in NL. This is an interesting topic that Mason Malmuth has discussed in his Poker Essays. Malmuth predicted that NL would die off, because the experts held a much larger edge than experts in lhe and would break the fish quickly. Actually the opposite has occurred. Lhe, a game which encourages gambling has drawn more gamblers who have subsequently gone broke, while NL has drawn a more conservative style player. Not that there aren't loose NL players, just not as many as in lhe.

[Omaha Hi/Lo 0]

+1It really helps your NLHE game to be good at LHE (that doesn't go the other way, though). Especially for those who play small ball, proficient LHE skills are necessary.

[FourFlusher 0]

I play limit, and like it. It's a different set of skills that are required...similar, but, different.I just started to read Middle Limit Holdem Poker by Ciaffone and Brier.I've read tons of books, all of them...from Brunson to Zee, this one rocks. It's aimed over my head, 20/40 and 40/80, which are different games than the low limits, but, a lot of the information is the same. Excellent presentation, crammed with good stuff.Highly recommended.

[EurekaKid 0]

I don't believe that limit hold 'em makes for a good tournament game, there is good reason why limit hold 'em tournaments are dying. I don't necessarily agree that limit cash games are on the decline. There has been enough of influx of new blood into poker that even if a higher proportion are playing NL there is still overall growth in the game.

[pckt10s 0]

I shoulda played limit today...

[bweller` 0]

i used to only play lhe cash games but recently ive started playing no limit alot. there seems to be alot less skillfull people at the no limit tables

[sleepi 0]

I'm Wondering what peoples thoughts are on Limit Hold'em some people i've talked to say that its a dieing game. I disagree I think it isn't as popular because there arn't as many limit games. When people start playing poker for the first time they see NL on TV and jump right to that game. I think the problem is people want to think they have the most gamble and play a game where they can push all there chips in at once. But they forget one you want to avoid being all-in as much as possible. Most NL players need to play Limit. In Poker tournys like the WSOP and WPT half the hold'em events should be limit

that's because it's the most boring grind-type game there is

[omahahilo 0]

The thing about LHE is when it goes bad, it goes BAD. You just seem to take bad beat after bad beat, which you probably due to the fact that people will not fold nearly as often for "one more bet" no matter how far behind they may be. This is an excellent thing for you when they don't draw out. But often they do over and over. The key I think is to make correct decisions and remind yourself that you made the correct play. It helps to remember that when you are playing correct your opposition has to get lucky to win. If you can play LHE without going on tilt. You either have a large supply of Ritilin, or you may not have a central nervous system.My .02

[Zach6668 513]

that's because it's the most boring grind-type game there is

ELLE OH ELLE.Play 6-max.I DARE you.

[KoRnholio 2]

LHE will stay popular at B&M casinos, even if it is "dying" online. This is because people at the casino generally come to gamble, but aren't willing to lose large sums on any given hand. A game like 3/6 LHE allows you to have minimal losses while still having the chance to drag the occasional monster pot. "Oh what the hey, only $6 more to call my gutshot, look at the size of the pot I could win!"

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

LHE will stay popular at B&M casinos, even if it is "dying" online. This is because people at the casino generally come to gamble, but aren't willing to lose large sums on any given hand. A game like 3/6 LHE allows you to have minimal losses while still having the chance to drag the occasional monster pot. "Oh what the hey, only $6 more to call my gutshot, look at the size of the pot I could win!"

It is certainly on the decline in the B&M. Name 10 regular mid-limit games that can be found on the strip in Vegas (including Bellagio). A year ago you could find several 10/20 20/40, 30/60, and 80/160 games. Now you are lucky if 2 30 games are going at Bellagio or even 1 at the Wynn. The 10 goes sporadically @ The Mirage, and the 40 at the Venetian died a couple of months ago.

[KDawgCometh 2]

Full Ring LHE may be dying out online, but 6 max LHE is more then alive and well

[pbwl11 0]

My B&M just expanded to 17 tables. 3 are 2/5 NL, 1 is 7 card stud, 1 is 1/2 PLO The rest are LHE: 2/4, 3/6, 4/8, 5/10, 6/12, 10/20 and 20/40. Any night or weekend, all 17 tables are going plus an hour plus waiting list.The floor won't run a 1/2 NL because they're afraid all the LHE will start playing NL.

[ramenandeggs 0]

the B&Ms in the bay area are mainly limit games, it's harder to find a good NL game going on. to the OP about encouraging the play of limit to stop the all in donkfests in NLHE, that's the hype of PL hold'em as a more preferred method of cash game among the pros.

[blacktie31 0]

LHE will stay popular at B&M casinos, even if it is "dying" online. This is because people at the casino generally come to gamble, but aren't willing to lose large sums on any given hand. A game like 3/6 LHE allows you to have minimal losses while still having the chance to drag the occasional monster pot. "Oh what the hey, only $6 more to call my gutshot, look at the size of the pot I could win!"

I just got back from one of the local B&Ms and for the first time i have ever seen they were not spreading any limit games.

[11 to 1 0]

LHE will stay popular at B&M casinos, even if it is "dying" online. This is because people at the casino generally come to gamble, but aren't willing to lose large sums on any given hand. A game like 3/6 LHE allows you to have minimal losses while still having the chance to drag the occasional monster pot. "Oh what the hey, only $6 more to call my gutshot, look at the size of the pot I could win!"

I agree. And I don't think either form will die anywhere, the popularity will shift back and forth some, but we hope, (I hope) that we don't go back to casinos with no poker rooms. A dealer told me that Limit is most desireable to the Casino, as opposed to NL because the players have a tendency to sit there for much longer periods. With maximum rakes, the casino doesn't care how much money goes around as long as all the chairs are filled and the game moves quickly. Limit is also faster than NL. NL players go broke and leave. Limit is just more lucrative for the casino.Where I play, I have to get there between 9-10AM if I don't want to wait an hour for a seat. But on holidays, when all the young blood I-wanna-be-Gus-Hansens show up, they have to spread more NL because of demand. I expect this will even out in a few more years when those new players find out you have to practice and study and be responsible with a bankroll and move on to other parts of the casino. And I like Limit, doesn't bore me at all. So far.

[fleung22 1]

Very insightful and informative post.

i have no read on you at all. sw?

[fleung22 1]

Ill bump this so acesup64 can see it and respond

I hate you.

[fleung22 1]

+1It really helps your NLHE game to be good at LHE (that doesn't go the other way, though). Especially for those who play small ball, proficient LHE skills are necessary.

Disagree. There are benefits of knowing either NLHE or LHE that transferable to the opposite game regardless of which one.

[fleung22 1]

I play limit, and like it. It's a different set of skills that are required...similar, but, different.I just started to read Middle Limit Holdem Poker by Ciaffone and Brier.I've read tons of books, all of them...from Brunson to Zee, this one rocks. It's aimed over my head, 20/40 and 40/80, which are different games than the low limits, but, a lot of the information is the same. Excellent presentation, crammed with good stuff.Highly recommended.

Great read for sure.I think I kept visiting cardplayer.com just to read that quiz every day until I finally borrowed the book from a friend. The added benefit is pulling out hands I disagreed with and debating with other poker players.

[sickagain 0]

I learned how to play poker with 2/4 Limit at Foxwoods before NL took over. They only had 1 1/2 NL game there for at least a year or 2, now at least half the poker room is NL, same with Commerce in LA. I realize Limit may be a thing of the past so I'm starting to play more NL cash games to adapt. I'm definitely a better Limit player, but Nl seems to be the way of the future, we'll see what happens when Internet poker shits the bed soon

[TheMathProf 0]

"In Hold 'Em poker, sometimes we vary our play."-- Eric Lindgren