gruven 530 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Obviously they saw what we were doing in the FCHL/AHL, and copied it. All of us smart GM's protect our picks, right Arp? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,320 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Think of the trade this way. The Leafs are getting either a late 1st round pick or 2 second round picks because they don't have to send back a 2nd rounder if they aren't getting the 1st and Pitts 2nd rounder will be in the top half of the round since they aren't a playoff team under that scenario. What is worth more for example. Pick number 20 or getting picks 40 and 50 ? Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Think of the trade this way. The Leafs are getting either a late 1st round pick or 2 second round picks because they don't have to send back a 2nd rounder if they aren't getting the 1st and Pitts 2nd rounder will be in the top half of the round since they aren't a playoff team under that scenario. What is worth more for example. Pick number 20 or getting picks 40 and 50 ? It would just be a LOT more fun, if the pick wasnt protected and the unfathomable happened and Pitts missed the playoffs. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Obviously the Leafs can't trade away picks when they don't know which ones they'll own, but can they trade away their rights in this deal? Probably, eh? Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Obviously the Leafs can't trade away picks when they don't know which ones they'll own, but can they trade away their rights in this deal? Probably, eh? This is interesting..On the flip side are the Penguins TODAY allowed to trade either the 2016 or 2017 first rounder that they maybe giving the Leafs? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Pittsburgh can't make that trade because if they make the playoffs their 1st round pick is Toronto's. They have to keep that pick available. Just like the Leafs can't trade their 2nd rounder that may end up being Pittsburgh's. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Pittsburgh can't make that trade because if they make the playoffs their 1st round pick is Toronto's. They have to keep that pick available. Just like the Leafs can't trade their 2nd rounder that may end up being Pittsburgh's. So then they cant trade their 2017 pick either because if they miss the Playoffs that pick is ours(if they make the playoffs next year) This would also mean they cant sign an offer sheet on any player. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 While conditions like this are nice to protect against giving up a high 1st rounder they also limit a teams ability to trade picks. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 While conditions like this are nice to protect against giving up a high 1st rounder they also limit a teams ability to trade picks. Thats the downside...But I guess thats why the GMs get paid the big bucks. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Yessssssssss we traded Sutter!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 The Pens got a bunch better today. Forwards are looking good. There will be some battlea for the 4th line, which is nice. Fehr is out until Nov or Dec, apparently, as well. Depth Chart: F - Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Hornqvist, Perron, Kunitz, Bonino, Dupuis, Fehr, Bennett, Plotnikov, Wilson... D - Letang, Maatta, Pouliot, Cole, Lovejoy, Scuderi, Dumoulin G - Fleury, Zatkoff 4th line a question, need another body or two in the mix. Defense isn't the best. Ideal scenario is they find a way to dump Scuderi and sign Franson. There are some decent depth D not listed here (Erixon, Olesky...), but the top 4 is lacking. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Warsofsky and Clendening are two more D who add some depth. Both are puck movers. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's kind of absurd that Kessel is the 3rd best forward on the team, and probably 4th best player overall. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 It's kind of absurd that Kessel is the 3rd best forward on the team, and probably 4th best player overall. I don't know, I think its kind of a draw for third between him+the Pens best D man. (former Carolina Hurricane draft pick Brian Dumoulin of course) Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Ya the top 6 forwards are pretty good. Hornqvist and Perron aren't bad, either. Even Kunitz, though he's likely on his way down. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Hmm. Matt Cullen is still around. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Hmm. Matt Cullen is still around. Well, I guess he was trying to decide between being a 3rd/4th liner playing 13min a game for the Pens and battling for a Cup, or being signed by the Canes, playing 19min a game as the first line LW with E.Staal....until they trade him to Pitts on March 3rd for a 3rd rounder, after which he battles for a Cup with the Pens. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 My hopes of them signing Franson are getting slimmer and slimmer... they have like $8 in cap. They still need to dump Scuderi, too. Link to post Share on other sites
doox 15 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 What are the chances Gonchar is still better than Scuderi and/or Lovejoy? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Probably Scuderi lol Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Crosby on Kessel: “When I think of Phil, that speed and that quickness are the first things I think about. That’s exciting for me to get a chance to play with a guy like that. If I’m with him, I know he’ll get in on the forecheck Does Phil do that? Link to post Share on other sites
Ottawa_Biatch 288 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Phil likes hot dogs Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I guess he could if that's his role on the line. That kind of stuff really depends on line dynamics, and how breakouts happen, etc. F1 is always the guy who gets in on the forecheck, so if that happens to be Kessel, I think what Crosby is saying is that his speed will force quick plays, sometimes resulting in turnovers, That doesn't necessarily imply physical play, though it helps. However, you don't expect a line like Crosby-Kessel-anybody to be dumping the puck in all that often, anyways. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Lol at forechecking Link to post Share on other sites
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