Cheating In Poker

[Montana 0]

When will this generation wake up to the fact, cheating exsists in poker. Most of the famous players in poker have admitted to cheating. What cheating is, includes, soft playing hands, sluffing chips off in tournaments for a piece of the other persons action, even though you are sponsored in by someone else, over selling pieces of one-self in tournaments, where one is sponsored into tournaments (like selling off 200% of the entry and going broke on purpose), not playing hands the same against "partners" or someone you are pieced out with.I have seen players CAUGHT in some of the most well known card rooms in Las Vegas holding out cards. Splashing pots with chips, thus shorting pots, grabbing chips out of pots, talking about hands and letting a partner know what you have, speaking a foreign language during a hand, agreeing to check the hand down and race for the other persons money, are all prevelent in California card rooms.In some of the larger no limit games in Las Vegas (Bellagio) players raise and re-raise everyone else out of the pot, then want to "race" for the "free" money in the pot, taking most of their money out of the pot. This is a gaming violation for the casion to allow it, but they do.Allowing prop bets, allowing time pots, which "kills" the action, and allows the tight players to never pay time are all forms of cheating.In card rooms without shuffle machines, dealers rarely count the stub. Most of todays dealers are poorly trained, and don't know how many cards are suppose to be left in a deck after all the cards are out. There is a card room in Northern California hosting a larger no limit game where this is prevelent. Imagine what happens at the World Series when dealers are brought in and games are hand shuffled.If one can "fade" this action, poker can be profitable and fun.Comments welcome.Montana

[FabBruce 0]

CHeating is so 2006! Ish not hot

[FourFlusher 0]

"players raise and re-raise everyone else out of the pot, then want to "race" for the "free" money in the pot, taking most of their money out of the pot."I'm not sure I understand what you mean here, could you explain that a little?

[crazykid13 0]

"Allowing prop bets, allowing time pots, which "kills" the action, and allows the tight players to never pay time are all forms of cheating."Umm...how are props a form of cheating? If I bet someone five bucks the flop will be all red...against his bet of it being all black...that's not cheating. Yes...cheating occurs...but don't blow it all out of proportion. Mmmk...that'll do.

[ForRealDD 0]

"players raise and re-raise everyone else out of the pot, then want to "race" for the "free" money in the pot, taking most of their money out of the pot."I'm not sure I understand what you mean here, could you explain that a little?

Chopping the profit.

[Altruist 0]

Steroids. Rogaine. Cheating in poker. All are means by which people get things they haven't earned. I don't condone it but I know it exists. I gain satisfaction in knowing that I win at poker despite their efforts. It's a pride thing for me. Their shame is theirs....My $0.02~M

[Montana 0]

"players raise and re-raise everyone else out of the pot, then want to "race" for the "free" money in the pot, taking most of their money out of the pot."I'm not sure I understand what you mean here, could you explain that a little?

In the larger no limit games (mostly after the flop), Player A bets 1,000 , player B calls, player C raises to $ 4,000, player D goes all in for $8,000, Player A and B fold, Player C calls, then C&D, expose their hands and negotiate a deal (sometimes run them twice) sometimes save the last bet(s) and race for the middle.Not fair! Gaming violation. Nevada Gaming Laws, NO DEALS!

[Montana 0]

"Allowing prop bets, allowing time pots, which "kills" the action, and allows the tight players to never pay time are all forms of cheating."Umm...how are props a form of cheating? If I bet someone five bucks the flop will be all red...against his bet of it being all black...that's not cheating. Yes...cheating occurs...but don't blow it all out of proportion. Mmmk...that'll do.

The prop bets get larger than the poker game. When one plays larger, you will find that out. I played a 40/80 game where the prop bets were $ 100/$200/$500/and $1000 on the flop - had to do with red/black and pairs, straights, flush, straight flush.

[threeparrots 0]

Steroids. Rogaine. Cheating in poker. All are means by which people get things they haven't earned. I don't condone it but I know it exists. I gain satisfaction in knowing that I win at poker despite their efforts. It's a pride thing for me. Their shame is theirs....My $0.02~M

Uhh.. rogaine? Since when do you have to "earn" hair?

[FourFlusher 0]

Thanks, it was the word race that confused me...chopping after forcing the table out is pretty crappy.I'm with the guy up there that said he takes satisfaction in knowing he's clean...no way to stop the cheaters, all you can do is be on alert for them so you don't get had if you can help it, and hold your head up.They just caught a team in London using shirt sleeve cams. They were after the house, though. They got caught because they were greedy, looks like:http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007020419,00.html

[mcpickl 0]

In the larger no limit games (mostly after the flop), Player A bets 1,000 , player B calls, player C raises to $ 4,000, player D goes all in for $8,000, Player A and B fold, Player C calls, then C&D, expose their hands and negotiate a deal (sometimes run them twice) sometimes save the last bet(s) and race for the middle.Not fair! Gaming violation. Nevada Gaming Laws, NO DEALS!

also not cheating unless they planned it out ahead of timegg though

[TwoFourOffsuit 0]

When will this generation wake up to the fact, cheating exsists in poker. Most of the famous players in poker have admitted to cheating. What cheating is, includes, soft playing hands, sluffing chips off in tournaments for a piece of the other persons action, even though you are sponsored in by someone else, over selling pieces of one-self in tournaments, where one is sponsored into tournaments (like selling off 200% of the entry and going broke on purpose), not playing hands the same against "partners" or someone you are pieced out with.I have seen players CAUGHT in some of the most well known card rooms in Las Vegas holding out cards. Splashing pots with chips, thus shorting pots, grabbing chips out of pots, talking about hands and letting a partner know what you have, speaking a foreign language during a hand, agreeing to check the hand down and race for the other persons money, are all prevelent in California card rooms.In some of the larger no limit games in Las Vegas (Bellagio) players raise and re-raise everyone else out of the pot, then want to "race" for the "free" money in the pot, taking most of their money out of the pot. This is a gaming violation for the casion to allow it, but they do.Allowing prop bets, allowing time pots, which "kills" the action, and allows the tight players to never pay time are all forms of cheating.In card rooms without shuffle machines, dealers rarely count the stub. Most of todays dealers are poorly trained, and don't know how many cards are suppose to be left in a deck after all the cards are out. There is a card room in Northern California hosting a larger no limit game where this is prevelent. Imagine what happens at the World Series when dealers are brought in and games are hand shuffled.If one can "fade" this action, poker can be profitable and fun.Comments welcome.Montana

Something tells me you didn't think to contact the Nevada Gaming Control Board. If this is seriously happening, get their number and contact them with specifics. When indiscretions are actively happening without casino recourse, they come in and drop the hammer, and they drop it hard. I had a boss who worked at the Rio when they swooped in and shut down the entire cage for skimming. They've also shut down Binion's Horseshoe, the entire casino, once a few years back.Don't whine. ACT.

[Montana 0]

Something tells me you didn't think to contact the Nevada Gaming Control Board. If this is seriously happening, get their number and contact them with specifics. When indiscretions are actively happening without casino recourse, they come in and drop the hammer, and they drop it hard. I had a boss who worked at the Rio when they swooped in and shut down the entire cage for skimming. They've also shut down Binion's Horseshoe, the entire casino, once a few years back.Don't whine. ACT.

Acting gets one barred.....The casino(s) in Nevada have the right to refuse service/gaming to anyone-especially someone who wants to expose them.

[TwoFourOffsuit 0]

Acting gets one barred.....The casino(s) in Nevada have the right to refuse service/gaming to anyone-especially someone who wants to expose them.

Why would you want to play a place where cheating and collusion is allowed by management anyway?

[GWCGWC 83]

I've never played at a table that takes the rake as a time pot.I must not understand how a time pot works. How can a tight player get out of paying time?

[Montana 0]

I've never played at a table that takes the rake as a time pot.I must not understand how a time pot works. How can a tight player get out of paying time?

The 10/20 NL Game in the Bellagio costs $7 per player, each half hour. Rather than each player pay time on the half hour, someone (usually someone who realizes they can save $ 14.00 an hour) suggests a time pot. A time pot has to have $ 200 in it, (as a general rule) and whoever wins the pot pays the time for the table = $7 x 9 players = $ 63.00 owed by the player. So in essence a player bets $100 gets called and nets $ 37.00 hmmmmm

[Montana 0]

Why would you want to play a place where cheating and collusion is allowed by management anyway?

Here are a few of the places where what I am exosing collusion/cheating happens: Bellagio, Wynn, Commerce Club, Bay 101, Lucky Chances. Why play in those places, because those are the places that offer the higher action games.

[finztotheleft 0]

If you leave the casino and then call the NCG, how will the casino know it was you?

[TwoFourOffsuit 0]

If you leave the casino and then call the NCG, how will the casino know it was you?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THE NUTS!File the complaint(s) anonymously, stating concern for casino repercussions. I can't imagine the NGCB wouldn't understand. It's their job to make sure people like you and me can play these games in a fair environment.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

The 10/20 NL Game in the Bellagio costs $7 per player, each half hour. Rather than each player pay time on the half hour, someone (usually someone who realizes they can save $ 14.00 an hour) suggests a time pot. A time pot has to have $ 200 in it, (as a general rule) and whoever wins the pot pays the time for the table = $7 x 9 players = $ 63.00 owed by the player. So in essence a player bets $100 gets called and nets $ 37.00 hmmmmm

Easy, don't agree to a "time pot". Not cheating.