A Couple Hands, Fixed Limit 0.5/1

[rogerwilco 0]

Just started playing 2-7 after reading DNs chapter in SS2, I'm still about even overall but I had a horrible session yesterday, might have been tilting slightly and I probably make lots of mistakes. Comments please?1)Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.50/$1) SB ($15.05), Seat 3BB ($7.75), Seat 4UTG ($10.20), Seat 5MP ($12.95), Seat 6CO ($22.15), Seat 1Hero ($24.25), Seat 2Button at Seat 2.SB posts $0.25. BB posts $0.50. Hand: [7s 2h 5h 6s 6c]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG folds. MP folds. CO calls. Hero raises. SB folds. BB calls. CO calls. BB takes 2. CO takes 2. Hero discards 6c. Hand: [7s 2h 5h 6s 4h]Round 2: (6.50 SB)BB checks. CO checks. Hero bets. BB calls. CO folds. BB takes 1. Hero stands pat. Hand: [7s 2h 5h 6s 4h]Round 3: (4.25 BB)BB checks. Hero bets. BB calls. BB takes 1. Hero stands pat. Hand: [7s 2h 5h 6s 4h]Round 4: (6.25 BB)BB checks. Hero bets. BB raises. Hero calls. Total pot: (10.25 BB - $10.25)->River-bet/call (or whatever the last betting round is called) stupid? He must know I have at least a smooth 8, do you think he just calls/raises with a better hand or is there value in that play?____________________________2)Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.50/$1)SB ($12.55), Seat 5BB ($10), Seat 6UTG ($25.95), Seat 1Hero ($18.35), Seat 2Button ($16.80), Seat 3Button at Seat 3.SB posts $0.25. BB posts $0.50. Hand: [Kh 4s 3c 5d 4c]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG folds. Hero raises. Button folds. SB calls. BB calls. SB takes 2. BB takes 1. Hero discards Kh 4c. Hand: [4s 3c 5d Kd 8h]Round 2: (6.00 SB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero checks. SB takes 2. BB takes 1. Hero discards Kd. Hand: [4s 3c 5d 8h 9s]Round 3: (3.00 BB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero bets. SB calls. BB calls. SB takes 2. BB takes 1. Hero stands pat. Hand: [4s 3c 5d 8h 9s]Round 4: (6.00 BB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero checks. Total pot: (6.00 BB - $6)->Definately tilting here - I had been totally carddead and getting outdrawn unluckily every time i had a decent hand.Besides preflop, which I'm aware isn't clever even for a steal: Any thoughts?______________3)Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.50/$1) SB ($21.15), Seat 3BB ($18.90), Seat 4UTG ($4.10), Seat 6CO ($31.20), Seat 1Hero ($15.60), Seat 2Button at Seat 2.SB posts $0.25. BB posts $0.50. Hand: [4s Jh 5h 2c Tc]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG calls. CO folds. Hero calls. SB folds. BB checks. BB takes 2. UTG takes 2. Hero discards Jh Tc. Hand: [4s 5h 2c Ah 3h]Round 2: (3.50 SB)BB bets. UTG calls. Hero calls. BB takes 1. UTG takes 1. Hero discards Ah. Hand: [4s 5h 2c 3h 6c]Round 3: (3.25 BB)BB checks. UTG checks. Hero checks. BB stands pat. UTG takes 1. Hero discards 6c. Hand: [4s 5h 2c 3h 7h]Round 4: (3.25 BB)BB checks. UTG checks. Hero bets. BB calls. UTG folds. Total pot: (5.25 BB - $5.25)-> weak?________________________4)Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit ($0.50/$1) SB ($12.20), Seat 4BB ($17.95), Seat 5UTG ($27.20), Seat 6Hero ($37.35), Seat 1CO ($12), Seat 2Button ($28), Seat 3Button at Seat 3.SB posts $0.25. BB posts $0.50. Hand: [9s 4c 6d 7d 2s]Round 1: (1.50 SB)UTG folds. Hero raises. CO folds. Button folds. SB calls. BB raises. Hero calls. SB calls. SB takes 3. BB takes 1. Hero discards 9s. Hand: [4c 6d 7d 2s 8c]Round 2: (9.00 SB)SB checks. BB bets. Hero calls. SB calls. SB takes 1. BB takes 1. Hero stands pat. Hand: [4c 6d 7d 2s 8c]Round 3: (6.00 BB)SB checks. BB checks. Hero bets. SB folds. BB calls. BB takes 1. Hero stands pat. Hand: [4c 6d 7d 2s 8c]Round 4: (8.00 BB)BB checks. Hero bets. BB raises. Hero calls. Total pot: (12.00 BB - $12)-> break the rough 8 after BB bets again or ok to stand pat and hope the blinds don't make their draw?_____________________Ok, enough for now. I appreciate any comments and criticism.

[checkymcfold 0]

hand 1: all fine, reraise/call on the end though. a seven is good for 3 bets somewhere against 99% of opponents, and the villain could easily be raising a 68 or 58.hand 2: don't pat a nine three way with two draws to come unless your opponents are REALLY REALLY bad and will pat tens 3 way. bet the first draw when you improve in position.hand 3: raise before first draw. bet all streets until you see aggression back at you for value. you may not be made yet, but i'm certain you have a better draw than those tards.hand 4: cap before and after first draw. bet down, crying call the raise on the end. whether or not you break a good 78 depends on what your opponent will raise you with. i break a 78 to a raise against most opponents, but not all.general comments: you seem to play pretty strong hands a bit too tentatively, which is making you lose value in a lot of spots. the pots you're winning are likely not big enough to overcome the ones you lose as a result, which makes it tough to be a winner at this game.

[navybuttons 15]

hand 1: all fine, reraise/call on the end though. a seven is good for 3 bets somewhere against 99% of opponents, and the villain could easily be raising a 68 or 58.hand 2: don't pat a nine three way with two draws to come unless your opponents are REALLY REALLY bad and will pat tens 3 way. bet the first draw when you improve in position.hand 3: raise before first draw. bet all streets until you see aggression back at you for value. you may not be made yet, but i'm certain you have a better draw than those tards.hand 4: cap before and after first draw. bet down, crying call the raise on the end. whether or not you break a good 78 depends on what your opponent will raise you with. i break a 78 to a raise against most opponents, but not all.general comments: you seem to play pretty strong hands a bit too tentatively, which is making you lose value in a lot of spots. the pots you're winning are likely not big enough to overcome the ones you lose as a result, which makes it tough to be a winner at this game.

hand 1: i agree w/ checkyhand 2: he pat the nine w/ one draw to go. i also bet when i improve to the 8 which is the second best card for you.hand 3: after the first draw i think there's value raising against two opponents here when you catch the 3. the guy in the middle could get squeezed and drawing so smooth i don't mind an extra player in the pot and i don't care if he folds either. i'm not sure whether i should care or not.hand 4: i three bet before the first draw, i raise when i make the 8, and obviously bet when he his still drawing and checking after the second draw. i don't think checking behind after the third draw is terrrible. if we haven't shown snow yet, i think we get called when we're beat and folding worse hands when we're ahead.disclaimer: the above comes from a marginal (at best) TD player. checky, i think you were a little confused about some of the actions in at least 2 hands.

[TB17 0]

Hand 1: Re-raise the river, he could easily have an 8. Your hand is very strong.Hand 2: Do NOT check the first draw. Keep betting. Otherwise goodHand 3: Raise preflop. Don't ever just limp. Bet every street here.Hand 4: Cap pre. rest looks fine cept for river, where since it's obv he is drawing to a 7 or a smooth 8, I would C/C the river. That way if he misses, you might still get a bet, and you save a bet when he hits.

[checkymcfold 0]

Hand 1: Re-raise the river, he could easily have an 8. Your hand is very strong.Hand 2: Do NOT check the first draw. Keep betting. Otherwise goodHand 3: Raise preflop. Don't ever just limp. Bet every street here.Hand 4: Cap pre. rest looks fine cept for river, where since it's obv he is drawing to a 7 or a smooth 8, I would C/C the river. That way if he misses, you might still get a bet, and you save a bet when he hits.

teddy, in hand four i have started value betting a lot of 78 hands on the end when they're drawing and it's been improving my results significantly. people don't make their hand very often and they will call nines a LOT of the time "just to see."navy, yeah, i missed the action in hand two, whoops.

[rogerwilco 0]

Thank you very much for you comments. :)It would be nice to liven up the Triple Draw forum a bit - it really is an interesting and fun game in my opinon.

[navybuttons 15]

teddy, in hand four i have started value betting a lot of 78 hands on the end when they're drawing and it's been improving my results significantly. people don't make their hand very often and they will call nines a LOT of the time "just to see."

i think an 874 value bet has a lot more merit than an 8764. are you folding to the check/raise?

[checkymcfold 0]

i think an 874 value bet has a lot more merit than an 8764. are you folding to the check/raise?

yea sorry, not 678s. 578s and 478s i have been going to value town a lot more and i've been running at 8BB/100 lately so it's working . i also very, very rarely see a c/r in this type of spot. most players will bet out if they make their hand because they fear a check behind. i don't think worrying about a c/r is especially important, but i'd probably call it with a 578 or better against most opponents until i got a read.

[TB17 0]

yea sorry, not 678s. 578s and 478s i have been going to value town a lot more and i've been running at 8BB/100 lately so it's working . i also very, very rarely see a c/r in this type of spot. most players will bet out if they make their hand because they fear a check behind. i don't think worrying about a c/r is especially important, but i'd probably call it with a 578 or better against most opponents until i got a read.

That's right keep backpedalling

[checkymcfold 0]

teddy, in hand four i have started value betting a lot of 78 hands on the end when they're drawing and it's been improving my results significantly. people don't make their hand very often and they will call nines a LOT of the time "just to see."navy, yeah, i missed the action in hand two, whoops.

A LOT OF does not mean ALL, teddy, you ******.

[Chamonyx 0]

1. 3 bet river. He cannot put you "on at least a smooth 8" after you stood pat on 2nd.....eg 97432, 87542 etc. so he is going to cr with 85, 86432, maybe 865 and possibly any 8 at these levels.2. Fine. You could bet after the first draw so SB can raise to get rid of BB, although this is more valuable if their actions are reversed.3. Raise preflop and after the first draw.4. Raise after 1st draw to put sb under max pressure. Definitely stand pat on 2nd, maybe raise with position to see where you are at, and break if he stands pat.. Maybe just show down on the end.

[Vman96 0]

Hand 1 is alright: the odds you are ahead arent clear. If you are ahead, you gain one. If you are behind you could lose 2.Hand 2: After the 1st draw you played it ok.Hand 3: Raise predraw. After the first draw, just calling is ok, but if you had a 1 card 7 draw, i would raise. Last two betting rounds are ok.Hand 4: Breaking the rough 8 going into the second draw isnt a terrible idea, here. Either way is marginal. But as played, no way in hell you bet after the 3rd draw. BB is very dangerous here considering the predraw action. He probably has 3 ranks he can beat you with. SB probably has at least 2 ranks. For SB, hitting an "8 outer" is 1 - (36/44)*(35/43) = 0.334.For BB: 1 - (34/46)*(33/45) = 0.458.So to "fade" both draws, the probability is: (1- 0.334)*(1-0.458) = 0.361 which is better than 2 to 1, so thats good at least.Your other option: break. Unfortunately the math isnt as clear here.Here you can make number 2 and number 4: If you make #2, lets say you win 96% of the time. If you make #4 you win 88% of the time. I made these percentages pretty low because it looks like the BB has a strong hand. And also you can make the hand you started with as well.Prob. to make #2 and #4: 1 - (42/46)*(41/45) = 0.168 eachProb. to make original hand: 1 - (43/46)*(42/45) = 0.1275The winning probability of your original hand is the first probability that I calculated: 0.361So all together, your rough winning probability is:(0.96)(0.168) + (0.88)*(0.168) + (0.361)*(0.1275) = 0.355So with these winning percentage estimates, it is slightly better to stay pat. But either way, you are losing more than 50% of the time in a 3-way pot.But once again, as played you can NOT bet this river without a good read.