lucks a b****

[airmcnair8888 0]

OK ... i play NL Texas Hold'em Tourneys with my loose unexperienced friends..As you may know from previous posts these are just ppl who dont try to improve and only play once a week for fun basically.Some are picking up on my style of play so it is getting tougher.These 2 involve one friend who is prob the most annoying of all my friends.Yea .... you know the oneTwo ScenariosFirst scenarioHeads Up Blinds $1 & &2Idiot Friend #1 - $15.50 - Get J 3 Raise to $5 preflopMe - $14.50 - Get A 10 know hes an idiot... go all inhe calls ... flop comes 6, J, J, 10, 3 :evil: Second Scenario (Tonight) Final Four Blinds $10 & $20 (dont ask why so low... we had two tables and restarted with chips and blinds for final table of 4)Me - $1,200 get A K Raise to $300Same Idiot Friend #1 -$1,800 raises to $600I go all-in (since i know his play) He calls fips over J 6 :shock: FLOP: 2,5,8,6,10 :evil: now he trash talks and is more annoying than ever and i say nothing to not give info on how hes a bad playerMy friend = WORST PLAYER EVER!Now i know this happens.. luck is part of the game.. but these are only two examples from our last 2 games and its the same person who cant play at all and now im starting to get mad!!Give me some good news on how to cope with this... i know ill make money in the long run playing odds but my winnings are have been small every time im in the money...

[allinbluff35 0]

Give me some good news on how to cope with this... blame canada

[airmcnair8888 0]

Thats been done... only helped a smidge

[bourbenz 0]

well you were a 6-3 favorite but thats still all I would with till you have at least a premium pair or try to out play him on the flop, if hes stupid. by going all inn preflop you are giving him the advantage even if he is the dog.

[airmcnair8888 0]

I see your pt but i think if i would just raised or sumptin hed just reraise and stuff and it would eventually b an all in with him...

[ElToasto 0]

I agree with bourbenz, why give your self such a small advantage when you could clearly out play him post flop. I like the all ins if you feel your over your not a better player. I'd wait till he moves in with botton pair or a draw too your top pair, trips, etc.

[PlzFoldNow 0]

You can't push all in against fishies preflop. Wait till you have a monster and milk them for all they are worth. IMO, you played both hands wrong. J 6 against A 10 is not a big underdog at all. I'm not saying don't raise preflop, just make the more importants ones postflop.

[jack24bauer24 0]

You can't push all in against fishies preflop.  Wait till you have a monster and milk them for all they are worth.  IMO, you played both hands wrong.  J 6 against A 10 is not a big underdog at all.  I'm not saying don't raise preflop, just make the more importants ones postflop.

You can't say he played them wrong...no real player in the world would call with the hands that he got called with. He knew how horrible they were and knew how patheitc they were.

[Polle67 0]

I play online Limit Texas and I know what you mean. Don´t know how many times I have AK and have to fold at the river with only pair of As or Ks because some idiot probably has two pair ex. Qs and 5s.....very annoying. My advise to you is....don´t go "All-in" but make it big bet instead and then wait for your big hit flop to go "All-in"....I mean the idiot will probably call you anyway....he thinks he is pot-commited.You´ll win bigtime and shut him up.... 8) ...that is what you want, right ?

[airmcnair8888 0]

I see your point... This should help alot

[woutoR 0]

jeh luck is a b*tch but you gotta learn how to f*ck it

[Socrates 0]

Bad players do one of two things in general They either play like total idiots, and call it down. Or they play straight forward, they might be strong pre-flop, but if they don't hit, they fold to a bet. Sometimes calling stations do this just to try an attempt to look like they know what they're doing.I'm sure everyone here understands you though. I break out the table once in a while when my fish friends are over and they always do stuff like this (ex. with 800 chips, rasie to 600 pre-flop, but fold to the next guy who uses the words "all in" for an additional $150 chips. It's annoying, but you're better off playing two or three hands all night then you are to flat out gamble with them. Blame it on Mike Sexton if you want. I'm so tired of people saying that "they even say on tv that any two cards can win" and my favorite "you don't need good cards to win at NLHE" and "you have to bluff if you want to win at HE" While all are true, too many idiots take it literally, but I hope they continue to do so.

[Mister Hand 0]

I think the people saying that you shouldn't have gone all-in against this player with AK are guilty of using hindsight as a crutch.If he knows this guy will reraise with any two cards, how can you not go all in with ace king? Against any two undercards, he's about a 2-1 favorite. IF the guy has an ace or a king in his hand, he's about a 70% favorite. Worst case scenario is that the guy has a pair, and that will happen less than six percent of the time. Even when he does, he'll still win about 45% of the time unless he's up against AA or KK.I understand the "better player" argument to a point. And the blinds are rather small in relation to the stack sizes. But in a shorthanded NL tournament, outplaying your opponent usually means taking advantage of his passivity. But this guy is reraising all-in with hands like J-6 os. The op's friend is guilty of many poker sins, but passivity isn't one of them. Knowing that someone who pushed all in every hand in a heads up NL freezeout with decent blinds will still win 40% of the time, you should be looking to go all in with any hand that's a 3-2 favorite or better to win. AK qualifies (slightly over 65% against any two random cards.)

[airmcnair8888 0]

Im seeing alot of mixed opinions on this..the J 6 o over the Big Slick was the worst I guess what I did wasnt such a "Bad" play but their might have been a "Better" play.im sure if i waited to catch something on the Flop id still get all his chips in the middle.But still wont stop me from hating those two hands more than anything.I deserved those for what i went through to get to the finals

[Socrates 0]

If he knows this guy will reraise with any two cards, how can you not go all in with ace king?

I understand your point here, but I assumed he knew this guy would call. Why would you risk your entier stack on A high? By moving all in and getting called you are not giving the fish any opportunity to lay down his hand, you're purely gambling on I have AK, you J6, let's see all 5 cards. I'm sure there will be and are lots of mixed opinions. It all comes down to playing with fish is an easy game to beat. Can it be frustrating? Sure, but you have to remember you can't bluff them and you can only outplay them with a better hand.

[airmcnair8888 0]

alright i agree with you...questionwould you justify the All-in with a high pocket pair?If you like helping someone out dont b afraid to AOL IM me

[Mister Hand 0]

I understand your point here, but I assumed he knew this guy would call.

So did I. If I'm only a dog against 6% of the hands he would reraise with, I want him to call if I know he'll call all-in with those hands, too. The OP said he knew how his friend played, so I'm fine with knowing the guy will call.

Why would you risk your entier stack on A high? By moving all in and getting called you are not giving the fish any opportunity to lay down his hand, you're purely gambling on I have AK, you J6, let's see all 5 cards.

First, calling it "ace high" makes it sound like the op would be better off moving all in with any small pair, which clearly isn't the case. But to answer the question, I'm "risking" my entire stack when there's a 94% chance that I'm either a 2-1 or 7-3 favorite. The people who think he played the AK wrong need to come up with some pretty good answers to the following questions.1. Was his initial raise to 300 with AK wrong?Raising with AK can't be wrong here ( I hope we at least agree on that) so the only argument I can think of is that the raise was too large in relation to the size of the blinds. That argument has merit, imo, only if you think the raise was too large because it made it less likely his opponent would call with any two cards. 2. Once his opponent reraises to 600, do you want him to just call here?That's the only option besides reraising - he certainly isn't going to fold AK here. So let's say he calls, and 3 rags hit the flop (you'll hit your ace or your king about a third of the time.) What does he do now?He can check, and see what his opponent does. This might have some value if his opponent only plays like a maniac before the flop, but plays passively after the flop. In other words, if he'll bet the flop only if he makes a pair. I don't know too many players like this. If he's a maniac, he's probably going to push all-in on the rag flop, whether the board helped him or not. And that's part of the reason I want to go all-in preflop with my AK against a player like this. Why play a guessing game as to whether or not the board paired him? I've already put half of my chips in preflop, which means I'm pot committed even if he did make a pair (my overcards are now 26% to win.) If I'm pot committed on a flop of rags, why not go all in preflop in the first place?

Sure, but you have to remember you can't bluff them and you can only outplay them with a better hand.

I think getting all your money in with a 65% favorite is outplaying your opponent, especially when his maniac style means you're probably no better than a 3-2 favorite against him playing a more conservative style.

[Socrates 0]

With AA, KK, QQ or possibly JJ...yes. I really like AK, but not moving all in against someone you know will call. You're probably going to be the favorite, but you still only have A high. MOst of it would depend on situation. While I would definately call someone with AK in a game like that, I don't think looking down and seeing AK warrants pushing your chips in everytime. It will be ahead most of the time, but even fish can pick AA, KK, QQ once in a while.You'll learn to play with them over time, just sit back and wait for big hands, don't go overboard, but be aggressive when you do have big hands and slowplay the nuts to no end (within reason, it would even be wise to make post oak bets into the pot seeing they have no idea what they are and they're more likley to call consecutive small bets than consecutive large ones).

[airmcnair8888 0]

More and more mixed opinions... where's Daniel Negreanu when you need him.. lol I guess theres a time to play them each way....

[Mustangdood 0]

Didn't read everyones post, but first hand i woulda flat called and tried to outplay him, based on the board. 2nd hand again you needed to outplay him post flop which i did read someone say that. if you go all in its a coin flip and you may be playing a very lucky and annoying friend. if he had some poker sense, an all in might/would work for the most part.

[Mister Hand 0]

The people who think he played the AK wrong need to come up with some pretty good answers to the following questions.1.  Was his initial raise to 300 with AK wrong?2.  Once his opponent reraises to 600, do you want him to just call here?

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?