Flushgarden 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I woke up this morning and turned on the TV and I saw a blackjack tournament on the local CBS station. I was like 'ok fine, this is stupid but I'll watch for a few minutes'. Then when they went to commercial all of there commercials were from online elminiation blackjack sites and the commercials were full of POKER players. Poker players trying to get donks to play blackjack. Why are poker players doing this? If all the idiots who are stupid enough to play blackjack leave poker then where will our money come from? I dont think it is good at all. Link to post Share on other sites
aucu 3 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Blackjack is the DevilBut tournaments do have a bit more to them. Link to post Share on other sites
EStormOk 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 You caught someone's attention with this post.16 User(s) are reading this topic (12 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)4 Members: EStormOk, DanielNegreanu, DoinSublime, ROGUE06 Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I was never a fan of this and was a little surprised to see poker players supporting it. They actually had ads at the WSOP that said something like, "move over poker." I didn't get it? We've spent the last few years trying to educate the public that poker is different from blackjack and other card games, and this stuff certainly doesn't help. Poker players supporting this is akin to shooting yourself in the foot. Unless of course, you are involved in the back end and are profitting from it, as is likely the case here. The worst thing that could happen is that this show actually becomes popular and TV execs start going with blackjack shows instead of poker shows. Let's hope the show bombs. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I was never a fan of this and was a little surprised to see poker players supporting it. They actually had ads at the WSOP that said something like, "move over poker." I didn't get it? We've spent the last few years trying to educate the public that poker is different from blackjack and other card games, and this stuff certainly doesn't help. Poker players supporting this is akin to shooting yourself in the foot. Unless of course, you are involved in the back end and are profitting from it, as is likely the case here. The worst thing that could happen is that this show actually becomes popular and TV execs start going with blackjack shows instead of poker shows. Let's hope the show bombs. I've been wrong before, but I don't see how it won't. I mean...BLACKJACK? Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Plus you have to dye your hair to be any good at tournament BlackJack. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I enjoy watching it, and enjoy the strategy of it. Tournament blackjack is not much different than tournament poker, in that they are both games of skill and mathematics. Blackjack is nearly all math, and while poker in a way is also, the math for blackjack is much simpler.Independently, I think tournament blackjack is interesting and exciting. I enjoyed watching Deeb, Esfandiari, etc on it.As DN points out though. the main harm is that it implies that blackjack and poker are similarly games of skill and luck. This of course is not true for poker, where a good player can win long-term, whereas even the best blackjack player cannot beat the house in the long-run, except of course with card-counting schemes.In the public's eyes, it is potentially harmful, as it might regress public opinion of poker to a game of luck, as opposed to skill. Link to post Share on other sites
ghostlove 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 i think it will bomb. i cant stand watching blackjack on TV. its so boring Link to post Share on other sites
Jam-Fly 8 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 hey, you never know, maybe we'll get alot of online players going all in with 74 and 83 Link to post Share on other sites
Flushgarden 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Author Share Posted December 23, 2006 In the public's eyes, it is potentially harmful, as it might regress public opinion of poker to a game of luck, as opposed to skill.I didn't even think about that aspect of it. The poker community as a whole, led by the top pros, needs to continue to convince the general public that poker is different from other casino games and it is without a doubt a game of skill. It's the only way it can continue to grow and become more socially acceptable. Those same top pros doing blackjack commercials seriously undermines this effort. It is quite shortsighted and selfish...unless they're serious about playing tournament blackjack themselves. Could that be possible? Link to post Share on other sites
doox 15 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Think about it from the point of view of the blackjack tournament producers. Who would be better than a poker pro to help advertise this type of event? They're fairly well-known and in their eyes, poker is related to blackjack since you can play both in a casino. I'm willing to bet it's all about the money - I doubt these poker pros take blackjack that seriously. Anyone who's good enough at poker knows that poker is way more +EV. Blackjack is just a way to tilt off your bankroll or unwind with some disposable income. Link to post Share on other sites
theresa113 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 hey, you never know, maybe we'll get alot of online players going all in with 74 and 83Are you saying this doesn't happen now? Link to post Share on other sites
Orcasgt22 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 As long as Hollywood Dave Stann keeps getting on TV for Blackjack tourneys They will be popular. That guys is "The Mouth" of the BJ world. Incredibly entertaining to watch and quite good too.That said, Poker>Blackjack Link to post Share on other sites
doox 15 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Thing is, though - how many people know that guy's name or face? I mean - aside from people like us that watched "King of Vegas." They need bigger name people, like poker pros, to get the word out to the general public. Link to post Share on other sites
jonmarc 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I would sometimes watch the BJ tournaments that would come on after HSP and not really get it why the hell its televised. I love playing black jack when I just want to sit back drink some beer and not really have to think about playing too much. After basic strategy there isnt much that can be done other than counting cards of course. The only strategy that I could see is the betting and well thats math my nephues could handle. Over all I dont think it will be a success on tv there just inst the same intensity that a high level poker tourney brings. Poker gets good ratings because poker players love to watch it, study and try to better thier game or they just enjoy the thrill of it. Other than a handfull of hardcore black jack players out there I just dont think it has the fan base to be longterm successfull. Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I enjoy watching it, and enjoy the strategy of it. Tournament blackjack is not much different than tournament poker, in that they are both games of skill and mathematics. Blackjack is nearly all math, and while poker in a way is also, the math for blackjack is much simpler.Independently, I think tournament blackjack is interesting and exciting. I enjoyed watching Deeb, Esfandiari, etc on it.As DN points out though. the main harm is that it implies that blackjack and poker are similarly games of skill and luck. This of course is not true for poker, where a good player can win long-term, whereas even the best blackjack player cannot beat the house in the long-run, except of course with card-counting schemes.In the public's eyes, it is potentially harmful, as it might regress public opinion of poker to a game of luck, as opposed to skill. You are leaving out the one major key aspect that makes poker a fascinating game and BJ more agame of memorization. Poker is about PEOPLE and the psychology involved in figuring out your opponent. It's about playing people. Being a good BJ simply takes good memorization skills and knowledge of the numbers. The poker players who are supporting this are likely affiliated with it. UBT is affiliated with the people at UB, or at least the people who used to be the people at UB. Apparently they've sold the company to Absolute. Link to post Share on other sites
GreaterThanU1 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 As long as Hollywood Dave Stann keeps getting on TV for Blackjack tourneys They will be popular. That guys is "The Mouth" of the BJ world. Incredibly entertaining to watch and quite good too.That said, Poker>BlackjackFunniest thing ever?Anyways, I too was watching this show today. And while I found it to be boring I guess I could understand how people could watch it. The game of blackjack is easy to learn and if you put it in a tournament I guess it makes it a little more exciting.I'm not sayin I'd watch it unless there's nothin else on. I'm just sayin I could see how people (the same people who watch poker) could find this exciting. Link to post Share on other sites
SpiderGuard 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I didn't even think about that aspect of it. The poker community as a whole, led by the top pros, needs to continue to convince the general public that poker is different from other casino games and it is without a doubt a game of skill. It's the only way it can continue to grow and become more socially acceptable. Those same top pros doing blackjack commercials seriously undermines this effort. It is quite shortsighted and selfish...unless they're serious about playing tournament blackjack themselves. Could that be possible?Don't we want people to think that poker is a game of luck? People thinking poker is skill = people trying to get skilled = -EVEdit: Hollywood Dave is annoying. He's the reason I stopped watching tournament blackjack. Link to post Share on other sites
doox 15 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Don't we want people to think that poker is a game of luck? People thinking poker is skill = people trying to get skilled = -EVAs poker players looking for easy profit in the short-term? Yes.As poker players worried about the state of poker today, as far as legality and being socially acceptable? No. Link to post Share on other sites
Money022 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Plus you have to dye your hair to be any good at tournament BlackJack.And be gay. Link to post Share on other sites
starbwoi 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Ya I was watching tv the other day and I saw this Black Jack show and Mr.Blair Rodman was actually on it. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 I was never a fan of this and was a little surprised to see poker players supporting it. They actually had ads at the WSOP that said something like, "move over poker." I didn't get it? We've spent the last few years trying to educate the public that poker is different from blackjack and other card games, and this stuff certainly doesn't help. Poker players supporting this is akin to shooting yourself in the foot. Unless of course, you are involved in the back end and are profitting from it, as is likely the case here. The worst thing that could happen is that this show actually becomes popular and TV execs start going with blackjack shows instead of poker shows. Let's hope the show bombs.I think one thing that would help is if several widely respected poker players make a poit of ridiculing it.Making your views widely known would probably hurt it's chances of success.Nobody wants to be a fool. And if a professional gambler mocks the idea of it as being petty, mindless gambling, no one will want to be associated with it.Don't we want people to think that poker is a game of luck? People thinking poker is skill = people trying to get skilled = -EVNot really.People try, and people fail.There are people on these forums that have played for years, read every book, and still suck.People who try to get good seldom do. The biggest donaters often think quite highly of themselves.If they recognize that it at least CAN be beaten, it's encouraging.It gives them hope, and that is what drives them to keep playing. Link to post Share on other sites
toddkrit 0 Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Anyone see how the last couple ALL IN mags have been half poker/ half blackjack. I didnt sign up for that crap when I subscribed. More poker.....less blackjack! Link to post Share on other sites
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