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Give it up - your 'gross' test is lame and ignorant
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You have no response because you're starting to realize that your argument is indefensible.
My Gosh, you right!! I had no idea!! It's a good thing you said that!! It's not my fault you aren't smart enough to realize 2 dudes getting it on isn't what God had in mind. I would walk you through it again, but that whole written you off thing sort of gets in the way way. Cheers.
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It's not my fault you aren't smart enough to realize 2 dudes getting it on isn't what God had in mind. I would walk you through it again, but that whole written you off thing sort of gets in the way way. Cheers.
You're making an entirely different point here. I think you should stick with this one and drop the yucky test idea. You could admit that it doesn't work or just stop bringing it up.
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You're making an entirely different point here. I think you should stick with this one and drop the yucky test idea. You could admit that it doesn't work or just stop bringing it up.
Like I said, you could take the time to read all of the posts since I mentioned the now dubbed "yucky" test, and catch up and see exactly what I was getting at. You could do that. You won't, but you could. If you did, you would see how that was the point I was making all along. The point is this, again... We like to say that homosexuality is o.k., and frankly, I think it is perfectly o.k. Do what you want. Really. However, something is wrong when the act that we claim is perfectly natural for a small amount of people, the other people(lets call them not gay) cannot even stomach the thought of watching said act. Really... it is about as desirable as death. Show me 10,000 straight guys and I bet you couldn't find 10 that thought watching gay sex would be a sweet time. So, the point is be honest... I say do what you want, but let's not pretend that it's not disgusting, because the numbers say that it is. Here is a test..next party you have with your straight buds, bust out a keg and some sweet man on man gay porn. No chicks, just manly men ****ing. Announce,"Hell, yeah! We got gay porn, boys!!" They will laugh, thinking you are joking. Then, when the action starts, watch the room empty. You just may get hurt. The general consensus will be: "Dude, what the **** is wrong with you?" You really think that says nothing? Or is the natural reaction the truth, and we can't hide it no matter how hard we try?
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We like to say that homosexuality is o.k., and frankly, I think it is perfectly o.k. Do what you want. Really. However, something is wrong when the act that we claim is perfectly natural for a small amount of people, the other people(lets call them not gay) cannot even stomach the thought of watching said act.
...well, unless the two participants are women. Then most guys are fighting for the best view.
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:club: Lois, wow, you idiot lol/sighAre you that slow, Lois?I see exactly who you are... jesus christ... you're that guy in the early 1900's saying "Everybody... cmon... admit the truth. You know you are uncomfortable being around black people. They aren't equal. God made it this way. Read the Bible. God talks about slaves all the time. Slaves are completely natural. You can try to fight the truth all you want, but you KNOW that it is NATURAL for us to own these slaves."If you want the answer as to why 20 straight men most likely won't look at gay porn with you, look around. Look at society's view of homosexuality. It's not hard to notice it. Anyone would be an idiot to deny it. The difference between the way you think and reality, though, is that societal views change and most of them improve over time. Views of homosexuality (on the American side of things) have been progressing for a long time and will continue to. This also includes views on homosexual sex or pornography. Which is another thing you seem to forget when you ask these questions. Open sexuality and pornography are not acts accepted and shared by everyone, too. I would argue that the majority of humans in America wouldn't be comfortable looking at any full imaged sex on tv. That is taking in all of the children, old people, prudes, people who don't care for sex, people who are against open sexuality, people who are taught to look at sex in certain ways, etc etc etcRemember, what you see on tv isn't reality. Not everyone is ****ing like rabbits in this country.
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:club: Lois, wow, you idiot lol/sighAre you that slow, Lois?I see exactly who you are... jesus christ... you're that guy in the early 1900's saying "Everybody... cmon... admit the truth. You know you are uncomfortable being around black people. They aren't equal. God made it this way. Read the Bible. God talks about slaves all the time. Slaves are completely natural. You can try to fight the truth all you want, but you KNOW that it is NATURAL for us to own these slaves."If you want the answer as to why 20 straight men most likely won't look at gay porn with you, look around. Look at society's view of homosexuality. It's not hard to notice it. Anyone would be an idiot to deny it. The difference between the way you think and reality, though, is that societal views change and most of them improve over time. Views of homosexuality (on the American side of things) have been progressing for a long time and will continue to. This also includes views on homosexual sex or pornography. Which is another thing you seem to forget when you ask these questions. Open sexuality and pornography are not acts accepted and shared by everyone, too. I would argue that the majority of humans in America wouldn't be comfortable looking at any full imaged sex on tv. That is taking in all of the children, old people, prudes, people who don't care for sex, people who are against open sexuality, people who are taught to look at sex in certain ways, etc etc etcRemember, what you see on tv isn't reality. Not everyone is ****ing like rabbits in this country.
Actually, in the New Testament he speaks of slavery more in terms of indentured servitude. Tomatoe,Tomato,right? So, wouldn't watch gay porn either. Got it. But, it's not because it's revolting, it's because you have been conditioned to think that way. Got it. Is anything your own fault? Society progressing. Really? Where? Almost the full majority in a room of 10,000 guys would be fine watching straight porn. Almost the full majority as well would be horrified by gay sex. I would say it's also a safe bet to say that the majority of that number would not blame it on conditioning,they would just say,"That's ****ing gross, dude. Thanks alot for ruining my sex life for the next month,a hole."
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Actually, in the New Testament he speaks of slavery more in terms of indentured servitude. Tomatoe,Tomato,right? So, wouldn't watch gay porn either. Got it. But, it's not because it's revolting, it's because you have been conditioned to think that way. Got it. Is anything your own fault? By those standards, nothing is your fault in Christianity. Everything links back to God. Society progressing. Really? Where? Oh, I don't know... scientific discoveries, computers, the internet... oh nothing really Almost the full majority in a room of 10,000 guys would be fine watching straight porn. Almost the full majority as well would be horrified by gay sex. I would say it's also a safe bet to say that the majority of that number would not blame it on conditioning,they would just say,"That's ****ing gross, dude. Thanks alot for ruining my sex life for the next month,a hole."When did what the masses say become truth? You're taking a large leap in logic by saying "the majority of these guys would say x and not y, therefore, x is true" Funny there were more people that thought the world was flat then there are people who agree with your silly statements.
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You know what? Let's get together. Start a thread, get some dudes, as many as possible, and let's watch some gay porn and learn to accept, baby! I am ****ing psyched!! The internet hasn't helped society- it's made information easier to access, which should begat smarter people, right? Wrong. Not to mention that the whole thing has created gaps in peoples ability to communicate. We are a being that craves connection and every step we take takes us farther away. Progress, sure, but progression to where? Of course everything links back to God,except the difference is I take responsibility for it simultaneously. I won't watch gay porn because I think the act of homosexuality is physically revolting, you won't watch it because you have been conditioned to feel that way... we both feel the same, but only one of us will own that sentiment. Do you see the difference? So, if most people see something one way immediately they must be wrong. Got it. How scientific. So, 10,000 straight guys. Find me 10 that could sit through a gay porn marathon. Good luck.

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You know what? Let's get together. Start a thread, get some dudes, as many as possible, and let's watch some gay porn and learn to accept, baby! I am ****ing psyched!! The internet hasn't helped society- it's made information easier to access, which should begat smarter people, right? Wrong. Not to mention that the whole thing has created gaps in peoples ability to communicate. We are a being that craves connection and every step we take takes us farther away. Progress, sure, but progression to where? Of course everything links back to God,except the difference is I take responsibility for it simultaneously. I won't watch gay porn because I think the act of homosexuality is physically revolting, you won't watch it because you have been conditioned to feel that way... we both feel the same, but only one of us will own that sentiment. Do you see the difference? So, if most people see something one way immediately they must be wrong. Got it. How scientific. So, 10,000 straight guys. Find me 10 that could sit through a gay porn marathon. Good luck.
Just because you don't like the progression (which I would understand why older generations would be scared of this large change), doesn't mean it isn't good for society. Progression to...... (science fiction doom music) THE FUTURE!!! Please, you can't tell me 2008 isn't better then the days of the Black Plague...Just like guns, it is the people that originally have the problems. Don't blame the tools for a problem with the people. Personal responsibility is key.LOLyou think I don't own up to the fact that I don't enjoy watching gay sex? I know I don't. I never had a problem owning up to it either. Until you came along, there was no reason for the topic to begin. But now that you've started this, don't be surprised when people call you on your crap. Trying to point the finger back at me and act like I have a problem admitting the truth or owning up to reality is laughable at best.So, if most people see something one way immediately they must be wrong. Got it. How scientific.Wth are you talking about? You make stupid statements, people call you out on why they're stupid. You continue not to accept it when it's thrown in your face... whatever, not my problem. God knows what you're trying to get to with this.So, 10,000 straight guys. Find me 10 that could sit through a gay porn marathon. Good luck.A marathon, eh? I'm sure I could hop into OT forums and find a few that would love the chance ;)ChrozzoRon MexicoSuitedaces21FlushGardentimwakefieldcoesillianSuperJondigitalmonkeywsox8ShakeZumajust to name a few :club:
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Here is a test..next party you have with your straight buds, bust out a keg and some sweet man on man gay porn. No chicks, just manly men ****ing.
You know what? Let's get together. Start a thread, get some dudes, as many as possible, and let's watch some gay porn and learn to accept, baby! I am ****ing psyched!!... So, 10,000 straight guys. Find me 10 that could sit through a gay porn marathon. Good luck.
You do realise that homosexuality comes in 2 flavours?You really, really seem to be wound up on the man on man kind. All you rants end up back there and are completly passive girl on girl homosexuality. Why is that? Is it possible that you are promoting your personal mandates under the guise of religious rightousness? Surely not, I mean no Christain ever does that do they...Why is it you are clearly only anti 'male' homosexuality?Methinks thou dost protest too much.
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You do realise that homosexuality comes in 2 flavours?You really, really seem to be wound up on the man on man kind. All you rants end up back there and are completly passive girl on girl homosexuality. Why is that? Is it possible that you are promoting your personal mandates under the guise of religious rightousness? Surely not, I mean no Christain ever does that do they...Why is it you are clearly only anti 'male' homosexuality?Methinks thou dost protest too much.
I am actually not a fan of the lesbianism either. Seems pointless.
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Just because you don't like the progression (which I would understand why older generations would be scared of this large change), doesn't mean it isn't good for society. Progression to...... (science fiction doom music) THE FUTURE!!! Please, you can't tell me 2008 isn't better then the days of the Black Plague...Just like guns, it is the people that originally have the problems. Don't blame the tools for a problem with the people. Personal responsibility is key.LOLyou think I don't own up to the fact that I don't enjoy watching gay sex? I know I don't. I never had a problem owning up to it either. Until you came along, there was no reason for the topic to begin. But now that you've started this, don't be surprised when people call you on your crap. Trying to point the finger back at me and act like I have a problem admitting the truth or owning up to reality is laughable at best.So, if most people see something one way immediately they must be wrong. Got it. How scientific.Wth are you talking about? You make stupid statements, people call you out on why they're stupid. You continue not to accept it when it's thrown in your face... whatever, not my problem. God knows what you're trying to get to with this.So, 10,000 straight guys. Find me 10 that could sit through a gay porn marathon. Good luck.A marathon, eh? I'm sure I could hop into OT forums and find a few that would love the chance ;)ChrozzoRon MexicoSuitedaces21FlushGardentimwakefieldcoesillianSuperJondigitalmonkeywsox8ShakeZumajust to name a few :club:
All of those guys are super gay, and won't deny it.
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All of those guys are super gay, and won't deny it.
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So, 10,000 straight guys. Find me 10 that could sit through a gay porn marathon. Good luck.
Let me get this straight (pardon the pun). Your view is that if we take 10k men who self-identify as heterosexual, and were raised in a judeo-christian society that is predominantly homophobic, and we ask them to sit through a "gay porn marathon", the fact that very few of them are interested proves that homosexuality is unnatural? Wow. I'm stunned.Here's a better one. Let's get 10 thousand red-neck bud-swilling nascar fans together. We can ask them if they want to sit through an international cricket tournament. I bet you won't get 10 takers. The conclusion can ONLY be that cricket us completely unnatural, and therfor an abomination to God. If God wanted man to play cricket, why would he make it so horrifying to the average public?Do you see your fallacy? You select a group that are predisposed to behave a certain way. Then you claim that the fact that they do behave that way indicates some natural order of things. It's a stupid argument, and without any logical merit whatsoever.
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Let me get this straight (pardon the pun). Your view is that if we take 10k men who self-identify as heterosexual, and were raised in a judeo-christian society that is predominantly homophobic, and we ask them to sit through a "gay porn marathon", the fact that very few of them are interested proves that homosexuality is unnatural? Wow. I'm stunned.Here's a better one. Let's get 10 thousand red-neck bud-swilling nascar fans together. We can ask them if they want to sit through an international cricket tournament. I bet you won't get 10 takers. The conclusion can ONLY be that cricket us completely unnatural, and therfor an abomination to God. If God wanted man to play cricket, why would he make it so horrifying to the average public?Do you see your fallacy? You select a group that are predisposed to behave a certain way. Then you claim that the fact that they do behave that way indicates some natural order of things. It's a stupid argument, and without any logical merit whatsoever.
Sure. Because Cricket being boring is the same as gay sex being revolting. Good one. It's not that the 10,000 wouldn't be interested- it's that it could possibly change there lives, make sex hard to deal with for awhile, because of the horrible things they had seen. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. Christians aren't homophobic. I have many gay friends, and truthfully I get along better with alot of gay guys, because they are into the same **** I am when it comes to music and style, shopping habits, etc. I don't think that there is anything wrong with loving a man-- the wrong is when you **** a man. The thing is this...I could really, really love my mattress, and sleep with it, and that would be fine. I could talk it up.."Dude, my mattress kicks ***. I love this ****ing thing. All I want to do is sleep, watch T.V., because this mattress rocks." Now, the day I start ****ing it, I am the weird mattress ******, no doubt about it. That is just not natural, only an idiot would be like,"Hell, yes, **** your mattress. Good times." Conceivably, though, you could have 1000's of mattress ****ers throwing parades and the like, hell they would even throw parades that had other meanings, gay-pride, mattress ****ers and and anti-racism all in one place at once, hand in hand, and we would be required by certain levels of society to accept that as normal, because we cannot judge. It's like these parts of society have lost the ability to just say,"Yeah, that's weird, that's not normal" and instead, they are like,"Oh, you think mattress ****ing isn't normal? Well, then you must be a racist, too." WTF? That's what it has actually come to, which is as wrong as can be. The thing is this... what is happening is that not only is it not O.K. to beat up a homosexual---in my mind it never was, and never should have been, we should live and let live--- it also is not O.K. for me to even have the opinion that homosexuality is wrong. It's a damn opinion--lighten the **** up. I'm not going to change a homosexuals life by what I believe, and that, in my mind, is the crux of the issue.
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I thought you would like that.
lol i didand lol at comparing mattress ****ing to homosexuals :club:
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lol i didand lol at comparing mattress ****ing to homosexuals :club:
It's a stretch, the illustration being 2 things: 1, we are literally heading towards a society where anything goes, 2, if we can compare a aversion towards homosexuality to an aversion to cricket, I can compare it to mattress ****ing. That will put the kabash on that **** real quick, because it obviously is not the same. When I think about it,I suppose if it was a sleep number mattress I would understand.
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I would completely disagree that we are a society heading towards an era where anything goes. Our true ideals of a moral code have been decently standard and improving.To you, homosexuality is one of those things that we're just turning a blind eye to and not acknowledging how wrong it is.To me (and most others), homosexuality isn't something that has ever been considered bad.It's fine that you defend that you're not a bigot irl and I believe that, but your entire outlook is what many disagree with.

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It's a stretch, the illustration being 2 things: 1, we are literally heading towards a society where anything goes, 2, if we can compare a aversion towards homosexuality to an aversion to cricket, I can compare it to mattress ****ing. That will put the kabash on that **** real quick, because it obviously is not the same.
Roq is intentionally using a completely unrelated subject to illustrate the problem with the logic. Those things aren't alike. It doesn't matter.Your argument doesn't work for any characteristic of people.
  1. Assemble 10,000 people who don't like X.
  2. They don't like X, therefore X is screwed up.

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