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I'm down in LA to visit my family for Thanksgiving break so I decide to play a little at the Bike. The game is 5-10NL with an unlimited buyin. Being the bankroll nit that I am, I just buyin for $1,000. Fast foward three hours and I'm loving live play. Players call off with top pair no kicker on a consistent basis and I have my stack up to $4,700+, then the hand happens:I have $4,700 and villan covers (I think he bought in for that much bc he had that when I sat in).UTG straddles to 20 and UTG+1 calls.Hero: Kh-KdI raise to 75, UTG calls and UTG+1 callsFlop: Ks-5h-9hChecked to me and I bet $200. UTG folds and UTG +1 check raises to $650. I'm thinking I have the nuts with a heart so villan is drawing pretty slim here. But it's live play and these guys call off with anything. That leaves only one move to me: ALL YOU CAN EAT. Villan snap calls. I'm loving it right now. He has to have a set to call off that quickly when were this deep. Hell yeah, he has one out :)Turn: blankRiver: 2hI'm thinking I won bc he is playing with his cards and says "What do you have?" Nobody with a flush would ask that, they would just show it. So I flip over my top set and he stares at the board for about 4 seconds. I'm thinking I won and I feel bad for the guy because he obviously got coolered for a monster pot. After about 7-8 seconds, he says "No good" and flips up Ah-3h for the nut flush and rakes the pot. Not only did I lose the biggest pot of my life ($9,000+), but I felt like the guy slowrolled me and rubbed it in. Needless to say, that put me on tilt and I just left.Sorry if this doesn't belong here, but it's the only forum I post in. Did the guy act like a ****** here? I wanted to punch him in the mouth, but I'm too old for that kind of stuff.

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That sucks... I haven't broken the 6k pot loss yet. Anyway, I'm sure that fool lost all your money back to the table or put it all on black as he walked out the casino. It sucks but what can you do?

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Wow, what a jackass. It's never, EVER, ok to slowroll. I'd be so incredibly pissed. And to stack off that much money with just a flush draw, wow. I think you did the right thing in leaving...tough, tough beat though dude.

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Wow, what a jackass. It's never, EVER, ok to slowroll. I'd be so incredibly pissed. And to stack off that much money with just a flush draw, wow. I think you did the right thing in leaving...tough, tough beat though dude.
I honestly don't know if he knew what he had. Maybe he was checking if there was a paired board and I hadn't noticed (like I wouldn't pay attention during the biggest pot of my life) or was just counting the number of hearts on the board to see if he actually had the flush (Tuff Fish style). There was literally a mountain of chips in the middle (imagine everyone with 100BB in the game (9) getting all in, plus an extra person throwing in half a buyin for fun), we were REALLY deep here; I certain that was the biggest pot he has played in as well. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here bc with such a HUGE pot and no history at all between us, I can't see him rubbing it in like that when he sucked out. I know I shouldn't think about poker in terms of money, but I only keep 10k online. It's like I lost the equivilant of my bankroll in that hand. Horrible feeling. I can't stop thinking about that. Meh, I'm only down 1k today so I shouldn't be too pissed, but what could have been. If I would have won that pot, New Years was on me.BTW: I expected a call from a flush draw, but I assumed he would have thought about it for at least 2 seconds given the amount of the bet :club:
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I honestly don't know if he knew what he had. Maybe he was checking if there was a paired board and I hadn't noticed (like I wouldn't pay attention during the biggest pot of my life) or was just counting the number of hearts on the board to see if he actually had the flush (Tuff Fish style). There was literally a mountain of chips in the middle (imagine everyone with 100BB in the game (9) getting all in, plus an extra person throwing in half a buyin for fun), we were REALLY deep here; I certain that was the biggest pot he has played in as well. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here bc with such a HUGE pot and no history at all between us, I can't see him rubbing it in like that when he sucked out. I know I shouldn't think about poker in terms of money, but I only keep 10k online. It's like I lost the equivilant of my bankroll in that hand. Horrible feeling. I can't stop thinking about that. Meh, I'm only down 1k today so I shouldn't be too pissed, but what could have been. If I would have won that pot, New Years was on me.BTW: I expected a call from a flush draw, but I assumed he would have thought about it for at least 2 seconds given the amount of the bet :club:
Some people just love the gamble. I do love the instacall with a flush draw though.
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Some people just love the gamble. I do love the instacall with a flush draw though.
I expected a call from a flush draw. Earlier in the session I folded a flush draw on the flop when a guy bet pot (he didn't have enough behind to justify a call and he wasn't folding to a push). I asked him "you really don't want to give a flush draw any hope huh?" Like 3 guys at the table didn't believe me that I had a flush draw. They were like you can't fold that. Hahahaha. I seriously wonder where these guys learned to play.
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villain gave himself 12 outs.Im which case, he was priced in.Should he give himself 12 clean outs?no.It's a bad beat because he called with about 25% equity.Had he c/r'd shoved the flop, it would just suck; but you couldn't hate him.And, punch him in the face next time.From what you say he said and did, and based on flop c/r and call, there's no way he does not know immediately whether or not his cards beat a set, much less not know he has the nuts.And learn to post in other forums :DFor 9k though, I don't have the heart to tell you BBFDTS.

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It's one thing to slowroll in a normal sized pot when you're donking around, maybe having some drinks, and clearly giving action. In that kind of situation, I'll do it myself occasionally and I never get mad when someone else does it. But in a 900 BB pot when you're up against top set, and you just sucked out after making a bad call? Total **** move. That's just complete bullshit right there. I probably would have just tried to be the bigger man and left, but I really would have wanted to take the chips and chuck them all at his head, hoping to take out an eye or something. That really sucks man.

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villain gave himself 12 outs.Im which case, he was priced in.Should he give himself 12 clean outs?no.It's a bad beat because he called with about 25% equity.Had he c/r'd shoved the flop, it would just suck; but you couldn't hate him.And, punch him in the face next time.From what you say he said and did, and based on flop c/r and call, there's no way he does not know immediately whether or not his cards beat a set, much less not know he has the nuts.And learn to post in other forums :DFor 9k though, I don't have the heart to tell you BBFDTS.
Villan really thinks that HERO pushed his stack with Q-Q or K-Q or worse? Wowser. Live players love to gamble for some reason. It tends to have the opposite effect when I play live; I usually play tighter bc I have to physically put in chips. I wasn't there when the hand went down, but I probably would smacked villan in the back of the head. It sounds like a jerk move to me. This is ALOT of money for a 200 and 400NL player; ALOT. It's basically the equivialant of a 10-20NL player losing a ~100k pot. I would have thrown up at the table. Lets change the hand around so it belongs in Strategy. If villan c/r allin on the flop, do you call with middle set? Bottom set? Given these stack sizes, both are hard calls. Any opinions?
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Villan really thinks that HERO pushed his stack with Q-Q or K-Q or worse? Wowser. Live players love to gamble for some reason. It tends to have the opposite effect when I play live; I usually play tighter bc I have to physically put in chips. I wasn't there when the hand went down, but I probably would smacked villan in the back of the head. It sounds like a jerk move to me. This is ALOT of money for a 200 and 400NL player; ALOT. It's basically the equivialant of a 10-20NL player losing a ~100k pot. I would have thrown up at the table. Lets change the hand around so it belongs in Strategy. If villan c/r allin on the flop, do you call with middle set? Bottom set? Given these stack sizes, both are hard calls. Any opinions?
I'm not folding a set on this flop HU. We're deep but we're still ahead of his probable range.Now if this were really happening....and, wow, that's a lot of money...and I had 55? I know what's the correct play but...maybe I muck after agonizing over the decision and tell the table I folded 87h...?
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If we're talking strategy, I really don't like the way hero played the hand. First, we definitely need to raise more PF at a loose table. There's already $75 in the pot after our call. We can easily raise to $100 here without worrying about any of the limpers folding or without anyone necessarily putting us on a big hand. On the flop, the initial bet's fine, but I hate the push. All we're doing is giving a chance for two pair, AA, and AK type hands to get away. I'd smooth-call the raise in position, let villian commit himself, and then push the turn. I realize the stakes were a little high for you, but you can't play scared. Now with that said, your play got exactly the intended result (a call), so I can't criticize too much, and I'm definitely not saying that you wanted the flush draw to fold. Just saying that in general you're knocking out a lot of hands that you want a call from with this line. Again, it's obviously not your fault you lost, as this was a brutal beat, but in general, I'm just saying that playing this a little slower will get you better value here.

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If we're talking strategy, I really don't like the way hero played the hand. First, we definitely need to raise more PF at a loose table. There's already $75 in the pot after our call. We can easily raise to $100 here without worrying about any of the limpers folding or without anyone necessarily putting us on a big hand. On the flop, the initial bet's fine, but I hate the push. All we're doing is giving a chance for two pair, AA, and AK type hands to get away. I'd smooth-call the raise in position, let villian commit himself, and then push the turn. I realize the stakes were a little high for you, but you can't play scared. Now with that said, your play got exactly the intended result (a call), so I can't criticize too much, and I'm definitely not saying that you wanted the flush draw to fold. Just saying that in general you're knocking out a lot of hands that you want a call from with this line. Again, it's obviously not your fault you lost, as this was a brutal beat, but in general, I'm just saying that playing this a little slower will get you better value here.
You would be shocked at what live NL players will do. I agree with PF, the raise is too small, but that's a small mistake. It should be raised to around 95-110. With respects to flop raise, I actually love this when playing live. Online is a different story. People call with the most ridiculous stuff live. For some reason they think TPTK is the nuts and flush or straight draws are quads; I really can't explain it, but it's what I have witnessed first hand. I would have expected A-K to call, along with A-A, flush draw, set, two pair, etc..... Your folding out Q-Q and other speculative hands that probably wouldn't go past the turn or called an average raise on the flop. I think this is actually a great value push. If a heart comes, it kills the action.
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I play a decent amount live, but mostly 1/2 with a $300 pot cap. The only time I played this high and deep was at the Wynn, and they actually played pretty tight. I saw someone fold JJ there against a tight predictable player on an AQJ board. Obviously, this is a different kind of game than the one I played in there, but I still think that we have a better chance of getting paid off here by calling and waiting for the turn. No matter which hands you think people will be folding (be it K9 or KJ), I think it's pretty undeniable that there are certain hands that people will stick with if they get committed after a turn bet, but will fold to a flop push. I'm pretty sure hero's thought process was "I've got a huge hand, I better hammer it so I don't get outdrawn" instead of "how do I maximize the value on this".

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I play a decent amount live, but mostly 1/2 with a $300 pot cap. The only time I played this high and deep was at the Wynn, and they actually played pretty tight. I saw someone fold JJ there against a tight predictable player on an AQJ board. Obviously, this is a different kind of game than the one I played in there, but I still think that we have a better chance of getting paid off here by calling and waiting for the turn. No matter which hands you think people will be folding (be it K9 or KJ), I think it's pretty undeniable that there are certain hands that people will stick with if they get committed after a turn bet, but will fold to a flop push. I'm pretty sure hero's thought process was "I've got a huge hand, I better hammer it so I don't get outdrawn" instead of "how do I maximize the value on this".
I have been to many different live games and as far as I can tell LA has the best games in the country. Las Vegas is overrated as far as poker IMHO. (unless you want to play with the best players for some reason)
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Villan really thinks that HERO pushed his stack with Q-Q or K-Q or worse? Wowser.
I'm just trying to think what an optimistic player thinks."Dudes probably just has a K, I got 12 outs""Maybe Kh Qh, in which case, I have 10 outs still.... uhh.... what's an out?... I need another drink"something like that.
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