Comatose_Soul 0 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Approaching bubble in the 20+2 on stars. ~190 left -- No reads on UTG+1, this is the very first hand I have seen him min-raise.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)BB (t1765)UTG (t3155)UTG+1 (t8931)MP1 (t2495)MP2 (t2445)MP3 (t7160)Hero (t4350)Button (t2130)SB (t5825)Preflop: Hero is CO with K , K . 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t400, 3 folds, Hero raises to t1200, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls t800.Raise More?Flop: (t2575) 7 , T , A (2 players)UTG+1 bets t600, Hero calls t600.Come over the top?Turn: (t3775) 9 (2 players)UTG+1 bets t1000Call/Push/Fold? Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 I'd reraise bigger PF. I'd put it to 1400-1600. As played I minraise on the flop and try to figure out what he has by how he plays it. If he just calls, I will push on turn, if he pushes over the top I will fold unless he is an extremely tricky opponent. But if he is tricky I wouldn't do the minraise stuff, I'd probably just push all in over the top in that scenario. Link to post Share on other sites
shpaget 0 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Raise it to 1600 preflop.Fold the flop (usually). Link to post Share on other sites
Tiltinagain 973 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Approaching bubble in the 20+2 on stars. ~190 left -- No reads on UTG+1, this is the very first hand I have seen him min-raise.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)BB (t1765)UTG (t3155)UTG+1 (t8931)MP1 (t2495)MP2 (t2445)MP3 (t7160)Hero (t4350)Button (t2130)SB (t5825)Preflop: Hero is CO with K , K . 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t400, 3 folds, Hero raises to t1200, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls t800.Raise More?Flop: (t2575) 7 , T , A (2 players)UTG+1 bets t600, Hero calls t600.Come over the top?Turn: (t3775) 9 (2 players)UTG+1 bets t1000Call/Push/Fold?Normally the ace coming out on the flop after he called your re-raise pre flop would make me put the brakes on big time,especially when he leads out when the ace comes. Just reading the HH makes me believe we are beat and I fold the river (I probably would have folded on the turn actually)But this is very read dependent. Villian is the big stack and could be just representing the ace to steal the pot with a medium pp.Not knowing how he's been playing makes this difficult to evaluate but, like I said, based on the HH I fold. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Raise it to 1600 preflop.Fold the flop (usually). Link to post Share on other sites
grocery_mony 8 Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 give him a taste of his own medicine and min raise his small flop bet. i am folding if that doesnt work. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 Raise it to 1600 preflop.Fold the flop (usually).I agree with this, but it is pretty read dependant. If he had an ace, wouldn't he c/r assuming we would try and rep the ace? His weak lead makes me think he may have a set, and is hoping to get raised. Without a very good read, I probably curse Lee and fold the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
shpaget 0 Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 I agree with this, but it is pretty read dependant. If he had an ace, wouldn't he c/r assuming we would try and rep the ace? His weak lead makes me think he may have a set, and is hoping to get raised. Without a very good read, I probably curse Lee and fold the flop.hence the word "usually"...but typically, his "weak" bet can mean a lot of things, but rarely that you are winning.He could have a set of tens, and wants to induce a raise. He could have AcKc wanting to induce a raise. He could have AJs and not be thrilled with his hand, but likely won't fold to a reraise. Considering your reraise of his EP raise, he's not showing a lot of fear from the ace.The handful of times this is JJ or QQ is far outweighed by the times you are crushed, and he likely reraises allin either of those hands if he thinks he's ahead preflop, and folds if he thinks he's behind. I can virtually eliminate them as holdings. Link to post Share on other sites
SlackerInc 0 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 If that's his first min-raise, I'd tend to smell aces here. Still, I think if you ever put someone on aces when you have kings and fold as a result, you are playing too scared. My general POV is that if you have kings, you just can't fold them preflop--if the other guy has aces, so be it: you were "meant" to lose all your chips on the hand. So with $700 in the pot here before it's my turn to act, and an M of only 14, I push preflop. I know this isn't the "best" play, but for me it feels most comfortable because (1) I'm not nearly as good a player after the flop as preflop, and I'd prefer to play to my strength rather than my weakness unless the stacks are still deep; and (2) if I get everyone to fold, I show the kings, which sets people up later (when the blinds are higher and my M is in the Orange or Red zone) to think that another push, this time with pocket treys or ace-jack, represents another premium pair. Thus they might fold a hand that dominates mine.As played, though, I check-fold after the flop. To me, it just seems way too likely the guy has at least one ace. But then, as I said, I'm not so great after the flop, so maybe I'm off base here. Link to post Share on other sites
shpaget 0 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 If that's his first min-raise, I'd tend to smell aces here. Still, I think if you ever put someone on aces when you have kings and fold as a result, you are playing too scared. My general POV is that if you have kings, you just can't fold them preflop--if the other guy has aces, so be it: you were "meant" to lose all your chips on the hand. So with $700 in the pot here before it's my turn to act, and an M of only 14, I push preflop. I know this isn't the "best" play, but for me it feels most comfortable because (1) I'm not nearly as good a player after the flop as preflop, and I'd prefer to play to my strength rather than my weakness unless the stacks are still deep; and (2) if I get everyone to fold, I show the kings, which sets people up later (when the blinds are higher and my M is in the Orange or Red zone) to think that another push, this time with pocket treys or ace-jack, represents another premium pair. Thus they might fold a hand that dominates mine.As played, though, I check-fold after the flop. To me, it just seems way too likely the guy has at least one ace. But then, as I said, I'm not so great after the flop, so maybe I'm off base here.wft are you smoking?Nothing you say here has anything to do with the hand posted. Link to post Share on other sites
SlackerInc 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 wft are you smoking?Nothing you say here has anything to do with the hand posted.Why do you say that? Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Why do you say that?Well...you kind of pick up for it at the end, but the whole discussion of two aces is irrelevant when 1 Ace wins the hand. Link to post Share on other sites
SlackerInc 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Well...you kind of pick up for it at the end, but the whole discussion of two aces is irrelevant when 1 Ace wins the hand.I was just running through possibilities, to put him on a hand. If he never min-raised before, I'd tend to suspect aces more than any other hand, including any other hand that has an ace in it. ::shrug:: Link to post Share on other sites
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