sit 'n' go depression

[ReRaise POWER 0]

I'd like to hear some of you fellows' thoughts on the online sit n go scene. My bankroll is pretty limited right now, so I basically just put a small deposit into PP and play $5 sng's for awhile to occupy some of my free time and sharpen my skills for when I play for higher stakes. Now, I've played about 40 tourneys and cashed a little over 40% of the time. How in the hell do I end up like even? I know the $1 juice is a little excessive, so I guess that cuts into my profit but I thought 40% + was very solid and supposed to equate to profit. I suppose it would help to turn some of those 3rds in the 1sts but my relative success and good play hasn't earned me anything at all in a month.

[Limit 0]

Thats funny, I posted a similar topic at exactly the same time.

[woguy213 0]

where did you get that 40% stat on party? I have been trying to find my stats on there, but haven't been able to do it yet.

[ReRaise POWER 0]

I just keep a personal log of my own finishes and don't mess around with the system. That way I know it's 100% accurate.

[CodyHartman 0]

if you were too take ONLY 3rds in those then yes you would be loser even at a 40% win rate. If you can consistently win at 40% atleast 2 outtta 10 SnG's (so half of your wins) would have to be 1st's or 2nds to show profit. Sng's are a great way to make $$ but you gotta take the gold medal to really take advantage of them. Yes the 10% juice sucks. Where do you play at? I dont play at Stars but I was told that their $5 sng's are 20% juice (5+1) that is ridiculous. This will hurt you too.Keep plugging away though man. Don't get discouraged and you'll get better and will turn those 3rds into wins. Just remember that when the table gets shorthanded and the binds go up, you have to be much more agressive trying to steal blinds and win pots with middle pairs and even high cards.Trust me I am in a funk myself. I am winnning above a 40% rate BUT everytime I step up a level I seem to get screwed right around the pay area. I know it is not b/c of my skill level b/c I have consistently won at that level previously. Cest la vieGood luck and try not to get discouraged

[Dagg 0]

Where do you play at? I dont play at Stars but I was told that their $5 sng's are 20% juice (5+1) that is ridiculous. This will hurt you too.

Stars is actually 10% (5+0.5).

[JaysonWeber 0]

Just leaveeeee lol.I had a run of... 12 (just checked the excel sheet) sngo's that I didn't place in. I used to do them purely... But now I do them just to take a break from the ring games... SnGo's are the Variance Devil...

[vaglvr 0]

Just leaveeeee lol.I had a run of... 12 (just checked the excel sheet) sngo's that I didn't place in. I used to do them purely... But now I do them just to take a break from the ring games... SnGo's are the Variance Devil...

What was your percentage of placing when you solely played sit and go's?

[JaysonWeber 0]

After 100 sngos (104 actually) it was roughly 65% on 5+.50 on UB with 80% of the places 1 or 2, When it got to 4 and I was a lower stake I would "go for broke" for first because the payout for first was 25, and third was only 10. So I could have probobly placed in a higher percentage of them, but my goal was money.

[akishore 0]

i think the 20% juice (5+1) is on party. stars is 10% juice (5+.50).you think that's bad, though... prima has a $1 SNG that's 0.75+0.25... 33% juice! granted, it's the epitomy of micro-level SNG, but those things are actually very damn popular.it reminds me of the general public in a lot of ways... they're just so ignorant to not notice how much they're getting ripped off.sorry if that sounds condescending, but really... why would you play in a game where 33% of the money being put in is taken away EVERY TIME you sit down at that game??? i guess it's the same reason people do the lottery, play craps at casinos, and do other -EV things, both knowingly and unknowingly.sorry, this has nothing to do with the topic.in general, i don't rely on SNGs for too much profit. jayson nailed it on the head--SNGs are the variance devil. besides, they're nowhere near as profitable as the comparable ring games. they just seem like a waste of time/money for the most part, but they're still fun occasionally.aseem

[JaysonWeber 0]

i think the 20% juice (5+1) is on party. stars is 10% juice (5+.50).you think that's bad, though... prima has a $1 SNG that's 0.75+0.25... 33% juice! granted, it's the epitomy of micro-level SNG, but those things are actually very damn popular.it reminds me of the general public in a lot of ways... they're just so ignorant to not notice how much they're getting ripped off.sorry if that sounds condescending, but really... why would you play in a game where 33% of the money being put in is taken away EVERY TIME you sit down at that game??? i guess it's the same reason people do the lottery, play craps at casinos, and do other -EV things, both knowingly and unknowingly.sorry, this has nothing to do with the topic.in general, i don't rely on SNGs for too much profit. jayson nailed it on the head--SNGs are the variance devil. besides, they're nowhere near as profitable as the comparable ring games. they just seem like a waste of time/money for the most part, but they're still fun occasionally.aseem

I did mention this in a post a long time ago... giving my reasons for Not playing the SnGo's anymore. Most people chose to ignore the numbers and didn't believe me but, we got another voice in on it now This is why SnGo's are not worth it in my opinion.

[vaglvr 0]

I don't understand it seems like you should have been making a decent profit doing the s+g's. How much more would a person that plays well in s+g's make playing ring tables if he was equally as successful? I know its probably tough to compare, but a rough estimate would be cool.

[Random Fluke 0]

Try the two table sit n goes on stars. If you are patient you should be able to regularly last till the final table of the 2. And the payout is better.

[KDawgCometh 2]

i think the 20% juice (5+1) is on party. stars is 10% juice (5+.50).you think that's bad, though... prima has a $1 SNG that's 0.75+0.25... 33% juice! granted, it's the epitomy of micro-level SNG, but those things are actually very damn popular.it reminds me of the general public in a lot of ways... they're just so ignorant to not notice how much they're getting ripped off.sorry if that sounds condescending, but really... why would you play in a game where 33% of the money being put in is taken away EVERY TIME you sit down at that game??? i guess it's the same reason people do the lottery, play craps at casinos, and do other -EV things, both knowingly and unknowingly.sorry, this has nothing to do with the topic.in general, i don't rely on SNGs for too much profit. jayson nailed it on the head--SNGs are the variance devil. besides, they're nowhere near as profitable as the comparable ring games. they just seem like a waste of time/money for the most part, but they're still fun occasionally.aseem

I did mention this in a post a long time ago... giving my reasons for Not playing the SnGo's anymore. Most people chose to ignore the numbers and didn't believe me but, we got another voice in on it now This is why SnGo's are not worth it in my opinion.

I'm not the biggest fan of SnGs either. Like Jayson said(do I hear an echo, lol) they are a varience devil. The blind structure is what I hate the most. In tournies I like to play a lot of hands and limp a lot, SnGs don't really allow that after the first couple of levels. Also if you go card dead your screwed and suckouts can be a massive killer. Case in point: I was the chip leader of a stud SnG and got involved in a a big pot. Well the guy hit runner runner and I got crippled. The limits and antes were so friggin high that I couldn't really go back to work and win the thing. Had the suckout not happened I would've been sitting there with a little over half of the chips and the other four just trying not to bubble out, instead I finished fifth. I'm just using this example of how you can get screwed in SnGs. They're fun for a change of pace, but I'ds still rather play a cash game

[ForumMod 0]

I don't understand it seems like you should have been making a decent profit doing the s+g's. How much more would a person that plays well in s+g's make playing ring tables if he was equally as successful? I know its probably tough to compare, but a rough estimate would be cool.

I just did it by hourly, and ability to multi-table, you can't play more than 2 SnGo's at atime and you can play minimum of 4 Ring Games...With the rake factor, inablility to truly multi-table and the variance and lack of skill that can take place towards the end of a tournament... I'd just prefer to keep it at a ring game where I know I have a higher edge.

[NormanHaupt 0]

I used to try SNG's a lot but I just can't get into playing them. All that time for just a little bit of profit.. and eventually you'll get blinded out.I'll ring game where I can go card dead and only lose maybe 5 blinds.

[KellerWVU 0]

SnGs are really all i do cause i tilt to easily at the swings of a real money table. I generally play two at a time, anywhere between $5-$15 depending on how im playing that day. In two weeks i turned a deposit of $20 into about $400 playing about 4-5 hours a day. I'm not sure how that stands up to someone playing at a real money table or higher stakes players but im content with it. I money probably %60 of the time and %80 of those are 1st or 2nd. I play solely on Golden Palace poker where the juice is 10% ($5 + $0.50).

[ANJBerg 0]

Online I only play 5+.50 SnG's on PokerRoom. I am currently showing profit doing this, and really don't play for the $$ as much as the enjoyment of playing. Here are my personal stats which I track on excel. I highly recommend doing this.Total of 110 gamesTop 3 - 39.4% of timeTop 2 - 24.5% of timeFirst Place - 10% of timeThese tournaments pay $25 for 1st, $15 for 2nd, and $10 for 3rd.In 110 games I am +$75.50

[jonnyhockey 0]

weird, i normally never play sit'n go's, but for some reason i decided to jump in one today. (after losing about 200 at the 1/2 nl)well it was a $50 stt, and wouldn't ya know it, i wont it, taking down $225.funny game that poker.

[Erudis 0]

my opinion on SnG's is that they're a really good way to brush up on some short-hand skills and nice practice and usually pretty fun. but if you're in them to build a bankroll or something there's a lot better ways to do it.

[JaysonWeber 0]

my opinion on SnG's is that they're a really good way to brush up on some short-hand skills and nice practice and usually pretty fun. but if you're in them to build a bankroll or something there's a lot better ways to do it.

Best practice for short-handed is 6-max at PokerStars in my opinion

[Royal_Tour 0]

i been dominating the 6 max SNG's.. not that anyone cares. but i hated sng's before.. but now i'm starting to enjoy the "tournament" feel

[NormanHaupt 0]

I cant win those 6max tables- and I can't win SNG's, either. Coinsidence?Aseem, write a guide!

[alexquigley 0]

...play the 2-table ones. If you play right...meaning only premium hands early...you'll make it to the final table 80% of the time.And for the 2-tables...at least at Stars...top 4 pay. And it's a 40-30-20-10 deal. I more or less have stopped playing the one-tables now, and am actually showing a decent profit at the 2-tablers.