lostless 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Straddling can be good in a 3 or 4 handed game. It let's you get more money in the pot in position on the button and cut-off spots where you make all the money from. Also, if you are playing weaker player's in such a game it is a great way to keep hammering on them. Link to post Share on other sites
qyayqi 11 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 I'd love to have a feature where you can show down only 1 card at the end.pkr has this. Link to post Share on other sites
Zeatrix 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 why would something that creates more action be bad?For the simple fact that adding more diversity will divide players even more and make some games harder to find. For example, look at what happened when all the sites started with shorthanded tables, full ring games became extinct at many higher levels. Link to post Share on other sites
coesillian 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 would you guys be interested in seeing the standard deviation along side the average stack stats, to see where you really stand in a MTT. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 If you wanted more money in the pot you could just move up limits, but why would you want more action by having 3 people commit money preflop. I don't see why more action is a good thing really....... Thery could of been doing it on HSp simply to have more money in the pot but they didn't have the power to raise the limits. Do they put a straddle at the highest limits played? I doubt it.its puts more money into the pot compared to the stacks and the blinds. just raising the limits would not have the same affect. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 For the simple fact that adding more diversity will divide players even more and make some games harder to find. For example, look at what happened when all the sites started with shorthanded tables, full ring games became extinct at many higher levels.you might have a point there, i absolutly hate what happened with all the short handed tables. on the new fcp though its an option on every table, so its not a problem. Link to post Share on other sites
Socrates 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 There seems to be some confusion about straddles, hope this helps a little. A straddle can vary in amount and it does not have to come from just UTG. It is a play to create action. In general it is UTG that initiates the action, but you can also dark straddle or Mississippi straddle if you want to buy last action from middle position if you want to. You can also straddle to any amount double the big blind or more in some rooms.The idea behind a straddle is to play blind and secure final action. In general you will often get raised. You should never fold a straddle and you should always defend it if you are going to play it. In most cases you will always raise your option and you should always at least call another who has raised you or better yet, re-raise them with your option.As with a lot of poker rules, they may be subject to the house and some things will be allowed in one room when they are not allowed in another. Ex. Mississippi straddle is generally ruled to only come from the player in the CO and no one else, but some rooms will allow you to do this from anywhere on the table.Its -EV, you have to have a solid read on the game and all of the players and you can't be afraid to put your money in with a crappy hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Fooney 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 What I want to know is why on-line poker tables have to ... well... look like tables. Why do I have to buy a second monitor or an expensive monitor or graphics card if i want to play more than 4 tables.Why can't they just give us an option to reduce the table to column format or something similar. The information actually needed to play could be reduced to fit in 1/16 the size of a standard monitor.My .02. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 What I want to know is why on-line poker tables have to ... well... look like tables. Why do I have to buy a second monitor or an expensive monitor or graphics card if i want to play more than 4 tables.Why can't they just give us an option to reduce the table to column format or something similar. The information actually needed to play could be reduced to fit in 1/16 the size of a standard monitor.My .02.I can't understand why EVERY site doesn't have scalable tables. It's insane. And FT's bouncing you to a table where it's your turn when you're all in at another table is about the most frustrating thing I've ever seen. Oh, and as far as the live feature ... how about the guy on your left who has rotten teeth breath, and the guy on your right who smells like ***? Link to post Share on other sites
Socrates 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 What I want to know is why on-line poker tables have to ... well... look like tables. Why do I have to buy a second monitor or an expensive monitor or graphics card if i want to play more than 4 tables.Why can't they just give us an option to reduce the table to column format or something similar. The information actually needed to play could be reduced to fit in 1/16 the size of a standard monitor.My .02.This is a good point. You could easily just have a small box that had pot size, stack sizes and which seats are in the hand in list format. That's all the information you need other than a smalll picture of the flop and so on. There really is no need for graphics of players and a table or chips for that matter. Link to post Share on other sites
eYank 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 on poker.com, you can rabbit hunt, and show only one card.haha yeah the rabbit hunt is so dumb but i like the show one card when u win or show 1 or 2 if u fold Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 What I want to know is why on-line poker tables have to ... well... look like tables. Why do I have to buy a second monitor or an expensive monitor or graphics card if i want to play more than 4 tables.Why can't they just give us an option to reduce the table to column format or something similar. The information actually needed to play could be reduced to fit in 1/16 the size of a standard monitor.My .02.ultimate bet. Link to post Share on other sites
Jeepster80125 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 So does this "straddle" have to be started with the person under the gun and then the rest can follow if they wish?Or can anyone put in the straddle at the tableThe card club that I play at lets you straddle anytime, without permission of the other players. And if UTG straddles, then UTG +1 can double straddle, and UTG+3 can double that straddle, and so on. If a player doesn't want to straddle, then the player behind him can not straddle. It has to go UTG, UTG+1, UTG+2, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Jeepster80125 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 There seems to be some confusion about straddles, hope this helps a little. A straddle can vary in amount and it does not have to come from just UTG. It is a play to create action. In general it is UTG that initiates the action, but you can also dark straddle or Mississippi straddle if you want to buy last action from middle position if you want to. You can also straddle to any amount double the big blind or more in some rooms.The idea behind a straddle is to play blind and secure final action. In general you will often get raised. You should never fold a straddle and you should always defend it if you are going to play it. In most cases you will always raise your option and you should always at least call another who has raised you or better yet, re-raise them with your option.As with a lot of poker rules, they may be subject to the house and some things will be allowed in one room when they are not allowed in another. Ex. Mississippi straddle is generally ruled to only come from the player in the CO and no one else, but some rooms will allow you to do this from anywhere on the table.Its -EV, you have to have a solid read on the game and all of the players and you can't be afraid to put your money in with a crappy hand.Cite your source please. According to Robert's Rules, "12. In non-tournament games, one optional live straddle is allowed. The player who posts the straddle has last action for the first betting round and is allowed to raise. To straddle a player must be on the immediate left of the big blind, and must post an amount twice the size of the big blind."wikipedia says "A Mississippi straddle buys last action before the flop. House rules permitting Mississippi straddles are common in the southern United States. Usually, a Mississippi straddle can be made from any position, although some house rules only permit the button or the player to the right of the button to place a Mississippi straddle. Like a live straddle, a Mississippi straddle must be at least the minimum raise. Action begins with the player to the left of the straddle. If, for example (in a game with $10-$25 blinds), the button puts a live $50 on it, the first player to act would be the small blind, followed by the big blind, and so on. If action gets back to the straddle with no raise, the straddle has the option of raising. The player to the right of a Mississippi straddle may re-straddle by placing a blind bet raising the original straddle."I am guessing you are from the south, because I have never heard of this mississippi straddle before. Link to post Share on other sites
Socrates 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Cite your source please. According to Robert's Rules, "12. In non-tournament games, one optional live straddle is allowed. The player who posts the straddle has last action for the first betting round and is allowed to raise. To straddle a player must be on the immediate left of the big blind, and must post an amount twice the size of the big blind."wikipedia says "A Mississippi straddle buys last action before the flop. House rules permitting Mississippi straddles are common in the southern United States. Usually, a Mississippi straddle can be made from any position, although some house rules only permit the button or the player to the right of the button to place a Mississippi straddle. Like a live straddle, a Mississippi straddle must be at least the minimum raise. Action begins with the player to the left of the straddle. If, for example (in a game with $10-$25 blinds), the button puts a live $50 on it, the first player to act would be the small blind, followed by the big blind, and so on. If action gets back to the straddle with no raise, the straddle has the option of raising. The player to the right of a Mississippi straddle may re-straddle by placing a blind bet raising the original straddle."I am guessing you are from the south, because I have never heard of this mississippi straddle before.I'm just citing from past experience. I've also heard the Mississippi referred to as a dark straddle. I've come across various rules regading straddles over the last 14 years of playing from home games to casinos. I've even seen it allowed for a player to re-straddle if you can imagine that (I just noticed that is in your Wiki reference). I've seen it in games in the northeast and northwest as well back in the day, but I would assume that it came by way of the south.My personal opinion is to follow Robert's Rules. It is by far the more clear and concise rules guideline there is. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 According to Robert's Rules, "12. In non-tournament games, one optional live straddle is allowed. The player who posts the straddle has last action for the first betting round and is allowed to raise. To straddle a player must be on the immediate left of the big blind, and must post an amount twice the size of the big blind."I've played in around 50 casinos, and this is the only straddle I've ever seen accepted. Link to post Share on other sites
Socrates 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 The card club that I play at lets you straddle anytime, without permission of the other players. And if UTG straddles, then UTG +1 can double straddle, and UTG+3 can double that straddle, and so on. If a player doesn't want to straddle, then the player behind him can not straddle. It has to go UTG, UTG+1, UTG+2, etc.Okay, now this is a little crazy. lol, a 1/2 game could go 4,8,16,32,64,128, 256 etc... before the cards are even dealt. Awesome. Link to post Share on other sites
Socrates 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 I've played in around 50 casinos, and this is the only straddle I've ever seen accepted.I'd say it's been 6 years or more since I've seen a re-straddle or dark straddle in a casino. UTG is usually the only one allowed to do it now. With that said. I did see middle position straddles at a couple of my cash games during the 2005 WSOP. That may have been because of the dealers too. We had to explain to them what was going on and they let it fly, on top of the fact that our whole table agreed to no pf raises smaller than $20 at the 1/2 table made for an interesting few hours and lack of strictness to the rules. Link to post Share on other sites
rgold79 0 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 I think 2 pair in your hand should beat low trips if the other guy only has one of the cards in his hand.So if I have KQ and the board is KQ443 and the other guy has 47 I should win. I mean come on..2 big pair like this shouldn't lose to 47 offsuit.How about when 2 people have 2 pair, add up the value and whoever has the higher combined value wins, so 1010JJ (21) beats AA22 (16). Completely arbitrary, but would necessitate one more level of strategic thinking on some hands. Link to post Share on other sites
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