Please Tell Me I Made The Right Fold

[RickyG033 0]

I know, I know...Use the converter. I cant get it working, the website isnt coming up for me. I'd love it if someone would post a working one.Full Tilt Poker Game #1359817402: Table Hinkle - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 21:16:38 ET - 2006/12/05Seat 1: RickyG033 ($28.70)Seat 4: Skyhawkgrl ($1.55)Seat 5: RyanHerb ($8.70)Seat 6: JST118 ($26.30)Seat 7: CWSIguy ($24.50)Seat 8: slowmaster ($9)RyanHerb posts the small blind of $0.10JST118 posts the big blind of $0.25slowmaster posts a dead small blind of $0.10slowmaster posts $0.25The button is in seat #4*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to RickyG033 [Td 7d]CWSIguy calls $0.25slowmaster has 15 seconds left to actRanger2004 sits downslowmaster checksRickyG033 calls $0.25Skyhawkgrl calls $0.25RyanHerb foldsJST118 checks*** FLOP *** [3d Ad Jh]Ranger2004 adds $12.90RyanHerb stands upJST118 bets $0.70CWSIguy foldsslowmaster foldsRickyG033 calls $0.70Skyhawkgrl folds*** TURN *** [3d Ad Jh] [4h]JST118 checksRickyG033 checks*** RIVER *** [3d Ad Jh 4h] [Qd]DruDaddy 12 sits downJST118 has 15 seconds left to actJST118 bets $2.85DruDaddy 12 adds $5RickyG033 raises to $5.70JST118 raises to $19.95RickyG033 ???Any opinions??? I'll post results in a little whileEDIT: IM dumb and made the topic exactly what I did. LOL...sorry all. Well now we know I folded, but was it the right fold?

[Zach6668 513]

Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.256 playersConverterPre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T 7 UTG calls, UTG+1 (poster) checks, Hero calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB (poster) checks.Flop: 3 A J ($1.35, 5 players)BB bets $0.7, 2 folds, Hero calls, Button folds.Turn: 4 ($2.75, 2 players)BB checks, Hero checks.River: Q ($2.75, 2 players)BB bets $2.85, Hero raises to $5.7, BB raises to $22.8, Hero ???FWIW, we're getting 1.82 to call here. We'd have to be good 35% of the time to win.Do villains do this with less than the 3rd nut flush?I think we can find a fold, but at $25 NL, I think the donk factor may tilt me to a call.Post in the NL forum for better replies, btw.

[GABMAD 0]

I call.

[James D 0]

The call on the river is so close here.But, your play on this hand has lead to this tough decision. Firstly, limping into pots with 10 7 suited is semi-passive. If you are going to be playing this hand, raising may get blinds to fold (or at least one), and get it down to you and early limper who has shown no raising strength. As it happens, you're in a 5 way pot with junk.Flop - as played the call is OK, dependent on any reads that he continually bets out at flops.Turn - His check is such weakness. I bet pot here. If he had an Ace, he'd lead again to protect against the probable flush draw.River - You make your hand, but you get re-raised out of nowhere. If you had shown strength at any of the previous 2 streets, you may have a better idea of where he stands... or even taken it down already.As played, I go ahead and fold here. I know it's .10/25, so you may find a re raise here occasionally from somebody with a lower flush/2 pair even... it's close, but I figure to be behind enough times to fold. (Unless v good read on player, however from his play he could so clearly have been on flush draw too)

[GABMAD 0]

The call on the river is so close here.But, your play on this hand has lead to this tough decision. Firstly, limping into pots with 10 7 suited is semi-passive. If you are going to be playing this hand, raising may get blinds to fold (or at least one), and get it down to you and early limper who has shown no raising strength. As it happens, you're in a 5 way pot with junk.Flop - as played the call is OK, dependent on any reads that he continually bets out at flops.Turn - His check is such weakness. I bet pot here. If he had an Ace, he'd lead again to protect against the probable flush draw.River - You make your hand, but you get re-raised out of nowhere. If you had shown strength at any of the previous 2 streets, you may have a better idea of where he stands... or even taken it down already.As played, I go ahead and fold here. I know it's .10/25, so you may find a re raise here occasionally from somebody with a lower flush/2 pair even... it's close, but I figure to be behind enough times to fold. (Unless v good read on player, however from his play he could so clearly have been on flush draw too)

Folding this is ultra loose passive IMO

[Jordan 1]

a little...gay cause he could have some sooted Kings/Jacks in the BB...but this is pretty much a call here, I think.- Jordan

[James D 0]

Folding this is ultra loose passive IMO

The play pre-flop, flop and turn is passive. It shouldn't have got to this stage in the hand without knowing anything about villain's strength.At the river, a usual insta-call could therefore be justfied as a fold here due to not knowing where you are at all in the hand. Let's be honest, it's an obvious flush that he's re-raising with (2 pair just calls your own river re-raise over 75% of the time/set almost never checks the turn), so it's just a matter of whether he has the 10d beat.I don't think it's a bad call though. Obv the fact that's it a.10/.25 game may incline hero towards a call.It's the long term +EV of making this call that I wonder about. And I honestly don't know. Maybe 1 in 3 is about right so yeah... maybe it's a time bank call.Just hope to avoid big river decisions, after very little action in the hand - I guess is the point.

[disctiger85 0]

Anybody disagree with raising the flop to take the lead?Oh, and I can be a bit LAG at times, but I enjoy raising such hands in position preflop just to make sure the table knows I'm not waiting for monster hands.As played, definitely bet the turn, and even if you don't get there you've set yourself up to bluff even if you miss(although I'm not sure how profitable bluffing at these levels is).Just noticed the size of the raise on the river. Call me crazy, but I think you gotta raise more on the river right? I think if you raise him more than the minimum on the river(because you think your hand is best right? otherwise you wouldn't raise), then it makes the call of his re-raise that much easier, while forcing him to have to just call with 2-pair or more....unless he's insane.

[rkard 0]

Anybody disagree with raising the flop to take the lead?

I'd rather make an abc call on the flop here, it's nl25 = easy to extract when you make hands. Higher stakes; sometimes I'll raise, sometimes I won't, all depends on the cliché reasons..Not that I would've preflop limped that T7s in the first place... if I'd played it I would've raised it and raised the flop but not at micro stakes.

[disctiger85 0]

I'd rather make an abc call on the flop here, it's nl25 = easy to extract when you make hands. Higher stakes; sometimes I'll raise, sometimes I won't, all depends on the cliché reasons..Not that I would've preflop limped that T7s in the first place... if I'd played it I would've raised it and raised the flop but not at micro stakes.

I completely agree...I've found that anything less than nut-peddling at .25/.5 or lower is often a mistake. Bluffing is just suicidal for the most part as a player with top-pair trash kicker will go to the felt with it...Believe me, I've tried bluffing at those levels way too much.

[rkard 0]

I completely agree...I've found that anything less than nut-peddling at .25/.5 or lower is often a mistake. Bluffing is just suicidal for the most part as a player with top-pair trash kicker will go to the felt with it...Believe me, I've tried bluffing at those levels way too much.

Yes, bluffing players who make calls based on what day of the week is is inadvisable. It's an art reserved for players who can read your line of play. When your line of play represents something that beats their hand, thats a good move.When your line of play represents some sorta hand which has no chance because it's Kentucky Fried Chicken Friday- you just shot yourself in the foot.

[bdc30 0]

If you're not calling this, then stop playing 10-7 soooted.You played it, you hit just about the best hand you could have hoped to make, you're at $25 nl. Call. If you're properly rolled, you'll win more of these than you'll lose, and I would think it's +EV in the long run.Does the BB lead out on the flop with only a flush draw?

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

If you're not calling this, then stop playing 10-7 soooted.You played it, you hit just about the best hand you could have hoped to make, you're at $25 nl. Call. If you're properly rolled, you'll win more of these than you'll lose, and I would think it's +EV in the long run.Does the BB lead out on the flop with only a flush draw?

Exactly!!!What card were you hoping to make? You played to catch the flush, then run scared when you get the card you were waiting for.

[simo_8ball 0]

If you're not calling this, then stop playing 10-7 soooted.

I hate this kind of narrow-minded logic. I know what point you are trying to make, but the choice of phrase is poor. You could say the same about 3d4d, but a fold would be a much better option with that hand.

[trystero 0]

I hate this kind of narrow-minded logic. I know what point you are trying to make, but the choice of phrase is poor. You could say the same about 3d4d, but a fold would be a much better option with that hand.

Right. Sometimes the action tells you to fold. Suppose you raise with AK and the flop comes AQ6. You bet and get raised and then reraised. Of course you fold but then why are you playing AK in the first place? Because the action's not right. Similarly, on this board villain's telling you that your flush is no good. He led the river and then 3-bet. What hands do that - unless they're held by a total donk - which are beaten by our flush? A straight calls. A lower flush calls. A strong flush OTOH 3bets.It's a close decision but I hate the line of reasoning 'why play in the first place if you're going to fold when you make your hand.'Personally I'm not a fan of pf. Either I fold (because 10-7s can't be a longterm winner on its own) or I raise it up in the CO and try to take this down on the flop.

[RhinestoneCowboy 2]

If you were going to fold to a push, just call the bet on the river.

[No_Neck 0]

If you were going to fold to a push, just call the bet on the river.

easycall

[krup24 0]

easycall