GABMAD 0 Posted December 4, 2006 Author Share Posted December 4, 2006 If you can't take peoples criticism then don't post your hands. Stop being a fu.cking baby about it. Not everyone plays the same way.I can take people's criticism, but if some1 makes a retarded statement that is so obviously false, and then after I explain why it's false, they keep stating their old arguement which i proved was wrong, it's frustrating and useless to keep trying to explain the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites
quadaces 0 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I can take people's criticism, but if some1 makes a retarded statement that is so obviously false, and then after I explain why it's false, they keep stating their old arguement which i proved was wrong, it's frustrating and useless to keep trying to explain the same thing.I didnt see you post any stats proving it was wrong to call. He made the right call and won what the hell is wrong with that? Stop crying cause you lost to the worst WSOPME champ in the history of poker Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Ya...over a random hand, this isn't a random hand...he raised and for the first time I moved all in preflop...And even against a random hand this is an easy foldI don't know about anyone else, but you reraising all in like you did usually tells me that you have a Ace/face, not pocket pairs. If you had a big pocket pair why would someone over reraise in this situation with the blinds as small as they are? Just my 2 cents.And yes, I would also probably make the call myself. Link to post Share on other sites
offset 0 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I can take people's criticism, but if some1 makes a retarded statement that is so obviously false, and then after I explain why it's false, they keep stating their old arguement which i proved was wrong, it's frustrating and useless to keep trying to explain the same thing.1. Post this in strat. You will get much better responses.2. If you are going to post every hand, number them. That way it is much easier to respond on individual hands.3. In regards to what you could have done better, you missed a few value bets and may have played a little weak tight. When you raised A7 and moneymaker reraised it seemed like a place where you could have pushed all in. Also, one time you folded A2 to a normal sized raise, which is pretty bad. Link to post Share on other sites
showstopper24 0 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Did you miss the part where he said it was Chris Moneymaker?lol-good post Link to post Share on other sites
Guitarmy 0 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I might have missed it but it doesnt look like you checkraised a single time. You might want to try it in heads up play. its a lot stronger than say... check calling with air Link to post Share on other sites
doox 15 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 What does 100 bucks mean to him? Probably not much - hence the call. For me, it'd mean a lot more and I couldn't see myself putting that much of my stack into the pot when AT BEST (not counting A2) I'm a coin flip favorite and at worst, I'm looking at a 2-outer.If he cared about the stakes, it might be different. Link to post Share on other sites
irishguy 14 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Moneymaker raised like 5x from the sb so what exactly did you put him on there? Are you bitter specifically because he called with 2's or would you be just as bitter if he was holding 33->99? You overbet like that you are not likely getting called by something you dominate. Link to post Share on other sites
gmanshade 0 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 read my sig...based on these hands i'm 99% sure the correct answer is moneymaker Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 For the most part I read through the whole history and in general I think:1. you folded too many hands preflop to his raises.2. I dislike your smallish raises, I think if you're gonna raise then make it 3x-4x. 3. It seems that you backed off on betting when a scare card came up. You bet strong on the flop, then when say the board paired you backed off and didn't bet at all. Or you didn't bet if a flush card hit. Flushes and other draws are gonna happen but you'll never know if you're ahead or behind without betting.Just my 2 cents. Link to post Share on other sites
Vick12 0 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 From the sounds of it, a lot of you are clueless as to how to play HU sit and gos. You keep thinking that it's a random hand he's up against. But guess what?! IT'S NOT...it's the first time I'm going all in. He has 2 scenarios he's in. He's either in a coinflip, or he's wayy behind. Thus....it's -EV call. I will not be arguing about how terrible that call is because the people who actually win at poke, I'm sure, will agree with me. It is pointless to try to convince you something so simple when you are so blinded by your ignorance.Also...quadaces...do you call if you have A3 suited? how about 10J suited?I am not clueless how to play HU...I think his CALL is marginal, but your push is horrid. Like another poster noted...if Moneymaker felt you were a BETTER player than him, taking a hand like 22 vs. a very odd overbet is likely the right call. (I almost always put a guy on A10-AK and especially AK when he jams that way preflop). You still had 36 BB's when the hand started...he made it 4 BB's to go, and u raise him 32? The only hands that call that massive overbet have you beat...including that hand he had 22.If you can't take peoples criticism then don't post your hands. Stop being a fu.cking baby about it. Not everyone plays the same way.This I am in 100% agreement with....you asked...people give opinion...then everyone is a donk if they don't agree?I can take people's criticism, but if some1 makes a retarded statement that is so obviously false, and then after I explain why it's false, they keep stating their old arguement which i proved was wrong, it's frustrating and useless to keep trying to explain the same thing.So...it's OBV FALSE when you make a move...get picked off...and HE TURNS OVER THE BETTER HAND! Poker is not a game of absolutes Gab, It's a game of SITUATIONS. In THIS SITUATION, Moneymaker made the RIGHT CALL. We could argue for weeks if this is a +EV call yada yada, but as I stated...ESPECIALLY HU, it's situational. Making this call against Opponent A. may be correct, but calling against Opponent B would be a bad call.1. Post this in strat. You will get much better responses.2. If you are going to post every hand, number them. That way it is much easier to respond on individual hands.3. In regards to what you could have done better, you missed a few value bets and may have played a little weak tight. When you raised A7 and moneymaker reraised it seemed like a place where you could have pushed all in. Also, one time you folded A2 to a normal sized raise, which is pretty bad.1. YES2. YES3. YESHow ya been man?OP...not trying to bust your balls...I'm not. I just hate when people ask for advice and then tell everyone their advice or critique's are wrong. Honestly....you will NEVER be a great player until you can take constructive criticism to make your game better. It's a very bad thing to think the moves you make are ALWAYS right. If the good people of FCP take teh time to respond....take the time to soak up what they say and process it.Just my 2 cents. Good luck to ya!!!Oh...and whoever said Moneymaker is worst WSOP champ, 1st off it's Varkonyi (sp?) who is by FARRR worse champ. (Dude LOVED Q10 PREFLOP!!!) 2nd...w/o Moneymaker, I'd say 75% of this forum wouldn't even exist.GOD BLESS CHRIS MONEYMAKER!!! Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Well I read through every one of those hands, and I think that JUST KIDDING I didn't read them. Bottom line: Moneymaker is a donkey, challenge him to double or nothing. Link to post Share on other sites
GregF 0 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 The KK hand on board 77QQQ, you HAVE to shove the river, it will look like a resteal and could get called. If he has the Q so be it. Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 So...it's OBV FALSE when you make a move...get picked off...and HE TURNS OVER THE BETTER HAND! Poker is not a game of absolutes Gab, It's a game of SITUATIONS. In THIS SITUATION, Moneymaker made the RIGHT CALL. We could argue for weeks if this is a +EV call yada yada, but as I stated...ESPECIALLY HU, it's situational. Making this call against Opponent A. may be correct, but calling against Opponent B would be a bad call.I agree with pretty much everything you said generally, but calling a massive over bet all in with 22 isn't too much of a situational thing because no matter whether you are up against opponent A, B, C or Z you are going to be at best like a 53% favourite while being a 4 to 1 dog once in a while. The only time it makes sense to take this is if you feel you are really outmatched and not against an overpair, and if you ARE truly outmatched, you can't be sure enough you aren't against an overpair.There just isn't enough of a pot to make the risk worthwhile, if the all in was for 500 i could see it making more sense, but if Moneymaker loses that pot, he's down 2 to 1 in chips, why put yourself in that spot? Link to post Share on other sites
showstopper24 0 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 What does 100 bucks mean to him? Probably not much - hence the call. For me, it'd mean a lot more and I couldn't see myself putting that much of my stack into the pot when AT BEST (not counting A2) I'm a coin flip favorite and at worst, I'm looking at a 2-outer.If he cared about the stakes, it might be different.good point-100 isn't much to him Link to post Share on other sites
UncleCollins 0 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 You made a HUGE mistake in the hand where you had pocket Ks on the QQQ77 board. You just called his bet on the end, why? The only hands he has there that you are afraid of is any Q (VERY unlikely), pocket 7s (also VERY unlikely) or pocket Aces, and there's only 6 different ways he could have that hand. You almost certainly have the best hand there and HAVE to raise for value. Just calling his bet on the river was terrible, you gave up a lot of value on that hand. Link to post Share on other sites
bulldog999 0 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I put it into the PXF hand viewer. You can watch the match here but you have to register (it's free to register).http://www.pokerxfactor.com/HA34620/3121_2...205_042745/3121 Link to post Share on other sites
bulldog999 0 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 So I just watched and here are my observations:-Money800 just wanted to gamble with you. He continuously made ridiculous oversized bets and his CALL all-in was horrible (although you definitely didn't have to shove on him)-I would have raised a little more on the button. You limped multiple times with an ace preflop. I get trying to trap him but when you whiff the flop you have no idea where you're at.-The hand where you flopped trip kings I would have to get him to bluff at it couple of times. If he checks to the river, your river bet may look like a steal.-Like the others said, you probably could have extracted some more with the QQQ/KK hand.He just looked like he wanted to play a big pot and get it over with, for whatever reason. The blinds were no factor so you probably would have been better off just trying to grind him down. Link to post Share on other sites
Spence 0 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 22 call isn't good.I really thought quadaces was joking. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I didn't read the whole thing, but the hand with the KK should have been the end of the game. Flat calling the river there is just terrible, you're only trailing the case Queen, 77 or AA, should have made him pay to see it and with a boat on the board it would have been tough for him to get away. Link to post Share on other sites
stealfromblind 0 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 So you don't like getting all your money in as a favorite? Take 22 against ANY 2 non-paired cards and you are a favorite to win. Simple as that!wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
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