How Could I Play This Better!need Help Please Respond Anyone

[ryder_007 0]

Just the other night i was playing in a $50 buy-in tourny at the local casino, there were 100ppl in the event and about a hr into it i had built up to be chip leader at 5200(starting chips 1500) i get dealt pocket kings first to act preflop (blinds $50-$100) so i raise to $600 total everyone folds just as i wanted and gets to the small blind where he is 3rd place in chips(1200 less then me) smooths call me, so at that point i put him on A-J suited, A-Q suited or evein A-K suited, the flop comes all under rainbow 3,3,2-he checks to me knowing i have him covered and know he didn't hit the flop i waste no time and go all-in, he thinks about for a cpl of minutes and calls has pocket Queens, i think to my self 'yes' i win this pot i have a domint chip lead over twice as much as the biggest stack, a guy at the end said he folded Queen-eight, at this moment the guy knows he is beat, the turn comes another 3 for 3s full house ks over qs, the guy puts his coat on and a queen comes on the river a one outer...now my question is did i play this to aggresive bein only midway through the tourny or what should i have done different about this hand

[UncleHoot 0]

...what should i have done different about this hand

You were about 95% to win when you got him to put all of his money in the pot. I have a hard time figuring out why you wouldn't want that.Ok, it may have been possible that he had pocket 3's, or something like that, but that seems pretty unlikely.

[nutzbuster 7]

Preflop raise was too big. $400 could have done it. Post flop push was un nessessary, instead maybe a 3/4 pot continuation bet. He could have tried to gamble and smooth called with low cards. You just got un lucky.

[1969_F85 0]

You were about 95% to win when you got him to put all of his money in the pot. I have a hard time figuring out why you wouldn't want that.Ok, it may have been possible that he had pocket 3's, or something like that, but that seems pretty unlikely.

QFT This has happened a lot to me against someone holding pocket 10's when I have Aces, Kings, Queens, or Jacks. Not a lot you can do about it, it happens. There was also this tourney that I played in where I was UTG with Pocket Rockets, I raised to 200 (bb=40) the button raised to 500, I went all in (had him covered) and he called with pocket Queens. One person said he folded a queen and my Aces held up. When someone hits a one outer just tell yourself that you did all you could to get your chips in the pot with the best hand and move on. Don't let it discourage your play, you did right.

[ryder_007 0]

Preflop raise was too big. $400 could have done it. Post flop push was un nessessary, instead maybe a 3/4 pot continuation bet. He could have tried to gamble and smooth called with low cards. You just got un lucky.

true i would agree with the preflop raise to big but that was to make if somewhere to reraise me either had aces or had ak or if smooth called i kno he either had aq, aj or even ak, and the last thing i wanted to s if i bet and he smooth called me would be a Ace on the turn...so i put him to the descision for all his chips on a if he had aq or along those lines he would be drawing for a ace pair for all his chips...so i am unsure if that was just too aggressive in the beginning

[nutzbuster 7]

Well, it's so situational dude. How was this guy playing? What kind of read did you have? What was your table image up to this point? Why would he smooth call you after such a big raise? What do you think he put you on? Him calling that $600 bet appears to show strength, but if he's tricky he just might be calling with rags hoping to hit something low and snap your butt knowing you were huge. I certaintly don't hate the fact that you got it all in with Kings, but after that weak @ss flop I would have been extremely leary of his hand and try to bet just high enough post flop to shake him off, just in case he caught hit monster on you. I would not have pushed there. That he caught that Q was just sick bad luck. I don't hate the way you played the hand, especially since you had him covered. Just my pathetic 2 cents, lol

[ryder_007 0]

Well, it's so situational dude. How was this guy playing? What kind of read did you have? What was your table image up to this point? Why would he smooth call you after such a big raise? What do you think he put you on? Him calling that $600 bet appears to show strength, but if he's tricky he just might be calling with rags hoping to hit something low and snap your butt knowing you were huge. I certaintly don't hate the fact that you got it all in with Kings, but after that weak @ss flop I would have been extremely leary of his hand and try to bet just high enough post flop to shake him off, just in case he caught hit monster on you. I would not have pushed there. That he caught that Q was just sick bad luck. I don't hate the way you played the hand, especially since you had him covered. Just my pathetic 2 cents, lol

thank you for the post i appreciate a well thought out explantion as to what you do different instead of a yes or no answer i will take what you said into considerstion..but also in regards to your question i am very aggresive player and like to play and raise with wide variety of hands to disguise a hand like instance pocket kings and the player that called me is a very tight player i had the luxoury of seing everyone of his call or raises preflop due to he had to show down everytime and each time he had high over cards and cpl times pocket 10 or jacks and both times he reraised with those

[Shaneojak 0]

you got all in your money being a huge favorite after the flop & turn, I see nothing wrong with that, there was probably no way you would get the guy with QQ to lay it down with that flop. that fact that QQ checked to you after that flop tells you one of 2 things: they are trying to lay a trap or see if your hand is rags or not. going all in after the flop would probably catch them by surprise, when they call they will probably figure you have a smaller pocket pair, i believe you played the hand correctly except maybe the 6 times the blind raise preflop

[ryder_007 0]

you got all in your money being a huge favorite after the flop & turn, I see nothing wrong with that, there was probably no way you would get the guy with QQ to lay it down with that flop. that fact that QQ checked to you after that flop tells you one of 2 things: they are trying to lay a trap or see if your hand is rags or not. going all in after the flop would probably catch them by surprise, when they call they will probably figure you have a smaller pocket pair, i believe you played the hand correctly except maybe the 6 times the blind raise preflop

thanks for the advice

[Lynbrook 0]

thanks for the advice

I'm a little late on this one but I dont think you played the hand well at all. Yes you got unlucky, but if it wasn't for that miserable beat, you would have gotten lucky you got any action at all. With Kings, you want one caller but who is going to call that huge raise unless they have a monster hand themself? Had I had A/Q or lower I would have folded so fast it would have been scary. I probably would have folded with 9's or less as well. So you killed a lot of possible action and risked just stealing the blinds with the 2nd best hand. After that flop I would never have pushed all in either. I would have made a bet that would have given me action. Let him see another card. Sure you could have let A/K catch his Ace, but if you play scared of three outers, you'll never win a tourney. Eventually you'll get blinded off and make a move with 6/6 and lose it all!

[Brunswick14 0]

him knowing you were an aggressive player, it's a good thing he didnt smooth call with AA there instead of QQ, cause then you would have just pushed in all your chips with the worst hand. (thats why its not a good idea to just go all in like that, IMO) because you really had no idea where he was at in the hand.

[AceofSpader 0]

My advice is always let your opponents try to beat you.You shouldve checked to see what his position was hand-wise.If he wouldve bet, then you shouldve smooth called till the turn, in which you apply the pressure, which I do and it works out usually for me.You might want to make it a habit to make people second guess themselves before moving all-in.At least, I try to make it a habit of mine, confuses the hell out of opponents.Its also really good to make a fake tell which works also.All you have to do is act like you have crap when you really dont.Its really not that hard to do.AoS

[Omaha Hi/Lo 0]

You asked if you could have played the hand better. So lets all forget what happened on the river, and break down the play before the money went in. 1. 600 is way to much to open for with 50-100 blinds. That bet has a note written on it that says, "I don't want action, PLEASE fold because I don't wanna see a flop." The only hand you're gonna get action from in this spot is AA, AK, or QQ, and lets be honest...most of the time you get KK you aren't against those 3 hands. Therefore, majority of the time everyone is gonna fold and you'll win 150 with KK...which won't be very satisfying.2. Going to the flop the pot had 1300 in it. You had 4600 and he had 3400. The flop was beautiful for KK, 3 3 2, based on what you put him on - he missed. Moving in 4600 into a 1300 pot is not only a huge over bet, but its gonna make him fold every possible hand except a big pair, which you didn't put him on (also you can't really put him on a specific hand like you said you did because you have NO info whatsoever, unless you're John Juanda and can guess exact holecards pre-flop). IMO the only correct play here is to check behind him. Once the turn comes a brick, he's most likely gonna bet a hand like AK or AQ and try to pick up the pot. If the turn comes an Ace and he moves in or bets big, then you muck. So many people act like its the end of the world if their opponent hits an Ace against their KK, its not thats why he's not drawing dead...b/c he still has a few outs which he's gonna hit sometimes (very rarely but it'll happen sometimes...in which case you cut your loses and fold...DN just had a blog about this type of play that I personally use every second of every hand that I play...all I do is play post flop)Here

People often ask me for "one tip" that should help change their game. Well, if I had just one shot, I think this would be it: in order to win a WPT event you can't be afraid to let them catch up, even if that means they outdraw you sometimes.

Why do so many people feel compelled to win the pot win they get a big hand preflop? They feel like the pot should be theres and by seeing community cards it hurts their chances of winning the pot, with a hand like JJ. They end up playing huge pots with just a pair. If you want to win money in the long run you need to adopt the small ball strategy/style...its very important to control pot sizes. I guess people see bad beats on TV and the internet and are afraid of every posible draw their opponent could have, but you cannot play scared in NLHE and win in the long run. NLHE isn't about ALL INS!!! and BIG BLUFFS!!! its about play a small pot, play a small pot, play a small pot, get a big hand win a big pot, play a small pot, etc.People need to SLOW DOWN and play POKER...stop playing HUGE pots with marginal hands (this doesn't apply to the OP...the marginal hand part that is)

[Lynbrook 0]

You asked if you could have played the hand better. So lets all forget what happened on the river, and break down the play before the money went in. 1. 600 is way to much to open for with 50-100 blinds. That bet has a note written on it that says, "I don't want action, PLEASE fold because I don't wanna see a flop." The only hand you're gonna get action from in this spot is AA, AK, or QQ, and lets be honest...most of the time you get KK you aren't against those 3 hands. Therefore, majority of the time everyone is gonna fold and you'll win 150 with KK...which won't be very satisfying.2. Going to the flop the pot had 1300 in it. You had 4600 and he had 3400. The flop was beautiful for KK, 3 3 2, based on what you put him on - he missed. Moving in 4600 into a 1300 pot is not only a huge over bet, but its gonna make him fold every possible hand except a big pair, which you didn't put him on (also you can't really put him on a specific hand like you said you did because you have NO info whatsoever, unless you're John Juanda and can guess exact holecards pre-flop). IMO the only correct play here is to check behind him. Once the turn comes a brick, he's most likely gonna bet a hand like AK or AQ and try to pick up the pot. If the turn comes an Ace and he moves in or bets big, then you muck. So many people act like its the end of the world if their opponent hits an Ace against their KK, its not thats why he's not drawing dead...b/c he still has a few outs which he's gonna hit sometimes (very rarely but it'll happen sometimes...in which case you cut your loses and fold...DN just had a blog about this type of play that I personally use every second of every hand that I play...all I do is play post flop)HereWhy do so many people feel compelled to win the pot win they get a big hand preflop? They feel like the pot should be theres and by seeing community cards it hurts their chances of winning the pot, with a hand like JJ. They end up playing huge pots with just a pair. If you want to win money in the long run you need to adopt the small ball strategy/style...its very important to control pot sizes. I guess people see bad beats on TV and the internet and are afraid of every posible draw their opponent could have, but you cannot play scared in NLHE and win in the long run. NLHE isn't about ALL INS!!! and BIG BLUFFS!!! its about play a small pot, play a small pot, play a small pot, get a big hand win a big pot, play a small pot, etc.People need to SLOW DOWN and play POKER...stop playing HUGE pots with marginal hands (this doesn't apply to the OP...the marginal hand part that is)

Holy epiphany Batman!! This is a great deep stack tournament strategy. Not so good on a Sit N Go or even online tourney. Though it would work the first 1 1/2 of most tournies. I agree with almost everything that you said about his hand, except I could see him betting out on the flop since he's the post flop raiser. A check on the flop would make me very weary that he's on a monster since he's letting everyone see a free card. On his initial bet I'd put him on a mid PP, but when he checks behind a flop like that, I'd change my mind quickly and put him on Queens or better.