Anyone Else Hates Playing Minbet?

[CzechRazor 0]

Limit is highly profitable. I just played 2/4 on Bodog last night and made 12 BB/100 over 500 hands but I was catching and getting paid every time.

[Abbaddabba 0]

You'd think he'd be joking about all of this.But there are tons of people out there who have that poor an understanding of poker.Who do you think is losing money? Ive heard a lot of people say similar things at live games.He could be a joke character. But there are people out there this stupid.

[TheCinciKid 0]

You'd think he'd be joking about all of this.But there are tons of people out there who have that poor an understanding of poker.Who do you think is losing money? Ive heard a lot of people say similar things at live games.He could be a joke character. But there are people out there this stupid.

I thought you were against live poker.

[HoosierAlum 0]

Isnt variance higher in fixed limit?? ... oh HOOOOSSSSSSIER?

Yes, for the most part. Why the condescending comment?Pretty much everything that Checky has said in this thread is spot on.Unless you play NL similar to Pharlad Friedman your variance/swings are going to be higher in fixed limit he.

[Actuary 3]

Abba, No AcesUp knows better.

[AcesUp46 0]

Most of you fail to understand that the concept of respecting raises applies to NL as well. Say you play in a 1/2 $100-max NL cash game and you get AA (American Airlines wooot!!!) UTG, you raise to $8 and because NO ONE RESPECTS YOUR RAISE, you get 12 callers, including from players on the waiting list. Now, the pot is over $100 going into the flop and you think your AA is still good??? Well good luck on the flop against all these players who have nary a sign of respect for your raise.Remember the adage....big pot requires big hands and often TP or overpair is not big enough. Now, those callers probably killed your AA outs as well since we all know how low-limit players love to play any Ace. At the same time, the 12 callers have all the 2-pr, boat, flush and straight draws covered. You think you can still win with AA??? I doubt it.Of course, the only way out from this NL-cash cash situation is to go all-in preflop with AA. But then again, most of the time, you just win the $3 in small and big blinds ($4 if you play in the California 1/1/2 structure). The only times you get called, you will LOSE since you will be called by KK and KK will hit a set on you. PROOF: Look what happened when Greenstein's AA what they met Farha's KK.So again, I have proved that when no one respects your raise, NL also becomes a game of chance and no poker skill can apply. The solution then is to move up to higher stakes where people respect raises and you can utilize your skill.Hope I have made myself clear for the 36th time. Once again, please post any questions if you require clarification.

Limit is highly profitable. I just played 2/4 on Bodog last night and made 12 BB/100 over 500 hands but I was catching and getting paid every time.

2/4 minbet online = 10/20 in casino. At this level, ppl respect your raises enough to make it possible for you to win through skillful play. Try moving to 10c/20c (= 2/4 minbet at casino) and see if you can still play as well.

[Actuary 3]

yes, folks, AcesUp is bs'ing.

[AcesUp46 0]

yes, folks, AcesUp is bs'ing.

Not cool.

[Actuary 3]

Not cool.

neither is plagarising!And taking advantage of gullibles after you've been outted!!

[AcesUp46 0]

neither is plagarising!And taking advantage of gullibles after you've been outted!!

Please, I'm just voicing my frustrations after losing $$ to donkeys who don't respect my raises and CONTINUALLY outdraw my AA and KK. You think this is a joke. Try this experiment. Go to a 1/2 NL game at a casino and fold for 6 hours straight and then raise UTG to $10. I assure that you will get at least 5 callers (8 in California). Now do the same at a 25/50 game and raise to $250. You'll be surprised at how quickly the players muck (actually some may so keen to muck that they knock over their chips and some dealers interpret that as an all-in) and how everyone is whispering to their neighbor "He must have Aces. He hasn't raised at all before!!!!".Can you see the reason why???? It's cos at 25/50, ppl respect your raises. Now, you can use your skill and raise when you DON'T have Aces to bluff aka representing the Aces. If you do this at 1/2, it's called representing "LET'S BUILD THE POT!!!".

[Actuary 3]

AcesUP, you aren't going to pull me in.I'm immune to your sarcastic trickery!It's too obvious

[AcesUp46 0]

AcesUP, you aren't going to pull me in.I'm immune to your sarcastic trickery!It's too obvious

If there some elements in my explication of the "respecting raises" concept and how it affects the usefulness of skill in a poker game that you don't understand and are too embarrased to ask, please PM me. I'll be keen to explain. In the process, I learn more about it myself.

[Actuary 3]

If there some elements in my explication of the "respecting raises" concept and how it affects the usefulness of skill in a poker game that you don't understand and are too embarrased to ask, please PM me. I'll be keen to explain. In the process, I learn more about it myself.

I'd respond with the "correct answer" but that would give you the pleasure of thinking there was even a 1% chance I'm buying this. Again, good try!

[qyayqi 11]

it was probably some 400/800 players nutbarring your 1/2 table. you sure found it infuriating, eh?

[AcesUp46 0]

Here's proof of what I've said so far.If you are a skillful player, the more you can use your skill the more money you can make thru poker per hour right?? Ok, when I first played 2/4, I was losing 50c per hour since everyone cracks my big hands. Then, I moved to 3/6 where I made $2.5 per hour...I could have made more but only sometimes did ppl respect my raise and give me the opportunity to use skill. So I moved thru the ranks and now at 10/20 and 20/40 level where I make abt $30 per hour. As you can see, Moving to higher stakes ---> Getting more respect for raises ---> Being able to use more poker skill ----> Making more profitHope this is clear now.

[James D 0]

I prefer playing Maxi Bet and Hardball. The respect in those games is truly quite astonishing.Also, AcesUp, maybe the problem is that you are not placing your min bets in a respectful manner.Try wearing a top hat and tails, and after each min raise stand up, respectfully bow and say... "that will be one more of my finest mini bets for you to call, good sir"Hope that helps.

[Actuary 3]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[AcesUp46 0]

I prefer playing Maxi Bet and Hardball. The respect in those games is truly quite astonishing.Also, AcesUp, maybe the problem is that you are not placing your min bets in a respectful manner.Try wearing a top hat and tails, and after each min raise stand up, respectfully bow and say... "that will be one more of my finest mini bets for you to call, good sir"Hope that helps.

When I play live minbet, I have an intimidating presence. I wear shades, a baseball hat and a jacket that covers my neck. Ppl should respect my raises, but yet, they don't. Now if I was wearing a Hawaii flowery print shirt, shorts and kept saying "GAMBOOOOOLLLL!!!", then of course I wouldn't expect anyone to respect my raises.

[CzechRazor 0]

2/4 minbet online = 10/20 in casino. At this level, ppl respect your raises enough to make it possible for you to win through skillful play. Try moving to 10c/20c (= 2/4 minbet at casino) and see if you can still play as well.

Of course it gets worse the lower you go. I'm simply saying limit poker is highly profitable. 2/4 and 3/6 are no different on Bodog. It's only BR restrictions that keep me from moving up a level.

[fleung22 1]

STOP THE INSANITY THAT IS THIS THREAD!!!

[CzechRazor 0]

what did you say?(bump)heh heh.

[fleung22 1]

STOP THE INSANITY THAT IS THIS THREAD!!!

[CzechRazor 0]

oh ok. I thought that's what you said.

[Socrates 0]

I scrolled through most of this, pretty ridiculous really.No Limit is fun, and you can win big cash in 1 night. OOoooOoo.but there is lots of risk and lots of different ways to play hands.Limit is also fun because you have to play consistant more often, and if you get coolered it isnt goin to kill you.The difference here is that in limit, you want to make that 1 or 2 or 3 BB's/100over time a consistant winning % like this makes you smile.In the case of a lot of younger or lower stakes players, when playing limit, it feels like a grind, and when they try to increase that 2BB/100 to lets say 10BB/100 they start to donk.No Limit = insta success, or insta failure or bothLimit = profit over time (a salary if you will)

Also add that NL is for bad to mediocre players and really great players.Limit is for the the really skilled player both high and low limits. The general NL player feels the same as the OP. It's just that the game is much more complex and most of the new players (ie. NL players) have no idea how to play it.Oddly, it's the really good limit players that make solid/good NL cash players.

[AcesUp46 0]

Limit is for the the really skilled player both high and low limits.

Your comment is not true. Minbet holdem is NOT good for a SKILLED player at the low-limits, reason being that your raises are not respected and your big hands are always met with many other minbet donkeys who have all the draws covered between them. Hence, in any given hand that you get involved in, you are ALWAYS an underdog to win. In such a structure, skill plays no effect whatsoever and actually, playing "skillful poker" in the Sklanskian sense is a sure way to lose money.I hope I have made this clear.