Former Dealer Fischman Talks About Dealers-nov 14th

[1969_F85 0]

"After some significant action, Player A bets $1200. Player B then counts out $1200 from his stack leaving only $56 left. The remaining $56 was in the form of one $25 chip, six $5 chips and one $1 chip. Player B then pushes the $1200 into the pot and says "I call" and then picks his remaining $56 off the table into his hand as if to imply he is all in. The dealer put the river card out and with no discussion from either player or the dealer about Player B's remaining chips, the cards were turned over and the pot was pushed. Player A won the pot and Player B left the game with his $56.Now this may not seem like a big deal, but I believe it is for a couple reasons. Unfortunately, it is the dealer's job to be the bad guy at the table and enforce all the rules. In my opinion, the best way to keep all players happy and make more tips is to just simply follow all the rules. No player will get mad at you for enforcing a rule; however many will be furious if you don't. For example in this case, had you made sure player B put his last $50 in the pot (most games stipulate that all money in increments of the lowest chips in play in the game count. In this case, all money in increments of $25 are in action), nobody would have had any reason whatsoever to be upset with you.-Scott Fishman Nov. 14th article, Cardplayer Magazine"Ok, am I missing something? Player B says. "I CALL" then moved his $1200 into the pot. He is not obligated in any way whatsoever to push the remaining $56 into the pot. He didn't say "All-In" he said "I call" therefore the dealer would be correct in NOT allowing him to put his remaining $56 into the pot. I agree that Player B should not have been allowed to remove the chips from the table, but in no way should they be allowed into the pot.Scott Fishman is a former dealer? (sw)

[lordofelt 0]

From reading the post it sounds like all of this happened on the turn, both players acted as if player B was all-in i.e. there was no betting on the river, the cards were turned up and Player A was pushed the pot. From that perspective the action on the river is strange, i.e. the post doesn't specify if it went check-check then showdown and A taking the pot or if they just automatically turned up the cards once the river came out. Technically if both still had some chips left then cards shouldn't be exposed until one is all-in or it goes check-check but since player A didn't object to Player B keeping his last $56 I don't see the big deal.

[psujohn 0]

picks his remaining $56 off the table into his hand as if to imply he is all in.

Assuming the dealer gave both players a chance to bet the river I don't really see an issue with the chips not going into the pot. I suppose the dealer should have told the player to keep the 50 on the table and that's really the only rule infraction going on. As long as the dealer points out that the player still has $50 behind on the river everything is legit.

[DB10-2 0]

i read this and also wondered what fischman was talking about. aside from the player picking up his remaining $50, he fails to describe any other problem with the hand. the dealer's job isn't to see that the $50 goes into the pot unless the first player bets it, no?that said, i think what he's describing here is the dealer's failure to make it clear to everyone in a logical all-in situation that the guy's remaining $50 is still in play. who knows...

[MadKennedy420 0]

Fishman = D BAG

[blacktie31 0]

I believe he is saying that after the action was complete on the turn he picked up his remaining $56 in chips taking them out of play, which shouldn't have been allowed.

[Uppie_ 0]

I wonder if and this is only from my experince in watching High stakes poker on GSN, but when someone was allin it appeared that they always or usally left a stack of 5 dollar chips behind, I assumed that these chips where not actually in play but instead where there for tipping purposes solely I could be way off here but could this be what happend here?

[bombsaway 0]

Fishman = 2 WSOP Bracelets wealthier than you

FYP.And it's Fischman.

[Zeatrix 0]

I wonder if and this is only from my experince in watching High stakes poker on GSN, but when someone was allin it appeared that they always or usally left a stack of 5 dollar chips behind, I assumed that these chips where not actually in play but instead where there for tipping purposes solely I could be way off here but could this be what happend here?

You've got a good point, those stacks where tipping stacks and was not included in the play. On the other hand, it's also strange that the go to showdown on the river without any river actions...

[AceJackOffS 0]

I've seen situations like this happen before in a cash game. Usually the players do not care about the last few dollars once teh pot has already gotten very large. In essence both players agrred to checking it down by turning their cards over.