Consider A Slow Play Or Stand Cont Bet?

[delasoul 0]

no read on player since i'm multi-tableing and on this table 1 dollar raises indicate some decent holding other than small to medium pp . Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.259 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $26.60UTG+1: $9.90MP1: $24.75MP2: $23.30MP3: $22.25Hero: $19.35Button: $38.60SB: $16.15BB: $22.70Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with :D UTG raises to $1, 4 folds, Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, UTG calls.Flop: ($6.35, 2 players)Results:

[shrimp4789 0]

never slow play trips, esp with 2 suited cards on the flopwhat did villian do on flop? if he checks, id bet $5...he bets...raise...big

[RhinestoneCowboy 2]

Next time when you post a hand, get it to the point where it is time for you to make a decision.That being said, I agree with the above. A lot of cards on the turn can make this a very scary board, so make him pay if he happens to have a draw. If he has AA or TT, SHIIIIP it.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

Easy bet or raise depending on what villain did. And not close.

[Royal_Tour 0]

slow play/trap this hand

[Zach6668 513]

slow play/trap this hand

Good analysis...Explain?

[delasoul 0]

better had checked on the flop...i forgot to add that

[Zach6668 513]

better had checked on the flop...i forgot to add that

You were the preflop bettor...Slowplaying this flop sucks.

[nomad_monad 0]

bet 4-5.not that many hands call a reraise OOP that you'd be worried about drawing out on you here. but at the same time, there are a ton of cards that can come that will destroy action anyways. there is a big disparity in hand strength in the hands that could call that bet and the ones that can't so it's not worth it to bet less to suck villain in either.so bet. he'll call w/AK and most certainly will c/r with TT. you won't get much if anything out of weaker hands. if he called the reraise loosely with something that has decent drawing outs, you charge him as you should. if he's got something good, you make sure you play a huge pot instead of a smaller one because the turn brings something ugly for both of you.if we're going to slowplay HU in position against a draw-ish board, i'd rather see us get sneaky with something like JJ (after reraising pf) against a flop like Jc6c5x.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Good analysis...Explain?

Ok, well..its not a real scary board . so there is 2 clubs. the odds are still very much in our favor even if he has 2 clubs, which is also a slim chance.He made a raise, then a smooth call.Now. its a low limti game, so he could be holding anything, although the re-raise to 3 is a pretty big step @ .25 BBThe only hands we will get paid off on is AK or AA, and lower sets a Ax suited in clubs will chase, and maybe, MAYBE, someone with QJ, but raising as UTG to 1.00 with QJ is odd.my guess is villain either has a big A, or a mid PPMy thought process tells me its in our favor to check behind and let villain get a free turn card.

[nomad_monad 0]

my guess is villain either has a big A, or a mid PPMy thought process tells me its in our favor to check behind and let villain get a free turn card.

yeah, but a big A that calls the pf raise most likely has a K.he might have mid PP, but there are only 2 cards in the deck that are going to make him want to really tangle. and a whole lot of other cards in the deck can come that make his hand even worse, and also slow both of us down if he's got something good.it's not just a 2 suited board here - it's also got str8 possibilities that will make villains slow down, even if they don't think it's terribly likely we reraised pf with something that could be hitting that draw.

[navybuttons 15]

bet. IANEC.think of villains range, the likelyhood (mathmatically) of each hand, how the typical low limit player plays each hand in that scenario and if betting here is the most profitable strategy. i've worked problems like this enough times to know to bet here. pull out a pen and paper and work it out for yourself. it will be worth it.

[Royal_Tour 0]

yeah, but a big A that calls the pf raise most likely has a K.he might have mid PP, but there are only 2 cards in the deck that are going to make him want to really tangle. and a whole lot of other cards in the deck can come that make his hand even worse, and also slow both of us down if he's got something good.it's not just a 2 suited board here - it's also got str8 possibilities that will make villains slow down, even if they don't think it's terribly likely we reraised pf with something that could be hitting that draw.

Meh, think of it this way.we check behind, this gives villain a few options.The ability to bluff at the pot with junkThrow out a turn bet with a Mid - high PP lower than KK.The ability to hit a hand if he holds AQ,AJ or any PP that hasnt become a setThe ability to fire out strong with AK / AA regardless of what the turn is.Call a large bet on turn if he holds the Aclub and another club hits etc.. You guys are basically saying, "lets hope he has Ak, or AA or a lower set, anything else and Oh well... at least we win 3+ our 3 - rake.In a cash game i'm more inclined to want to either make a big hand with top set, or lose a lot because i was unlucky during my "make a lot" process

[nomad_monad 0]

Meh, think of it this way.[lots of hands can improve or bluff on the turn]In a cash game i'm more inclined to want to either make a big hand with top set, or lose a lot because i was unlucky during my "make a lot" process

Meh, I understand what you're saying.But in reality, hands that are behind aren't going to improve/bluff enough to get us more than maybe one pot sized bet. On this particular board, your process is not going to end up "making a lot" as much as it is going to "make a little bit more."I'm not sure that in the long-run, all those little extra bets add up to more than the amount we lose when we goof up here by getting outdrawn or by being forced to slow down against a 2nd-4th nut hand if the board gets ugly.Different board, then I probably agree with you more. It can be 2 suited and str8 drawish, just not this way (as I stated in my first post).

[Royal_Tour 0]

Meh, I understand what you're saying.

meh

[nomad_monad 0]

meh

[CoranMoran 0]

You were the preflop bettor...Slowplaying this flop sucks.

YES.If we really really feel the need to slowplay our monsters, then check the turn when it is safe to do so.But please don't check the flop.Villains will call our moderate continuation bets with so many hands- many of which have not even connected yet.And if Villain has made a hand, give him a chance to check-raise.And if we're hoping to induce a bluff...I honestly think there is a greater chance that Villain will bluff check-raise our flop continuation bet than bluff the turn after we check the flop.--CM

[CrazyJoe 0]

slow play/trap this hand

fast play's the new slowplay, checking behind on the flop is screaming that you have AK+, who doesn't bet the flop after REraising pre-flop?, it's so suspicious. The only shot to get money out of this hand is if villain hit the flop with you or tries to take it from you, best chance for that is to bet the flop hoping he check-raises you. If he does that then you can flat call the raise, that seems weaker, like you aren't sure where he's coming from, it encourages him to bet out on the turn, then you can put the real money in the middle.

YES.If we really really feel the need to slowplay our monsters, then check the turn when it is safe to do so.But please don't check the flop.Villains will call our moderate continuation bets with so many hands- many of which have not even connected yet.And if Villain has made a hand, give him a chance to check-raise.And if we're hoping to induce a bluff...I honestly think there is a greater chance that Villain will bluff check-raise our flop continuation bet than bluff the turn after we check the flop.--CM

i didnt read this post when i posted mine, but i agree with everything said here.

[Royal_Tour 0]

fast play's the new slowplay, checking behind on the flop is screaming that you have AK+, who doesn't bet the flop after REraising pre-flop?, it's so suspicious. The only shot to get money out of this hand is if villain hit the flop with you or tries to take it from you, best chance for that is to bet the flop hoping he check-raises you. If he does that then you can flat call the raise, that seems weaker, like you aren't sure where he's coming from, it encourages him to bet out on the turn, then you can put the real money in the middle.i didnt read this post when i posted mine, but i agree with everything said here.

No, thats a false claim that people can just spurt out in assumption.slow playing still looks weak, always will.

[No_Neck 0]

BET!!!! you have a big hand you need to build a big pot.

[stevielarson 0]

YES.If we really really feel the need to slowplay our monsters, then check the turn when it is safe to do so.But please don't check the flop.Villains will call our moderate continuation bets with so many hands- many of which have not even connected yet.And if Villain has made a hand, give him a chance to check-raise.And if we're hoping to induce a bluff...I honestly think there is a greater chance that Villain will bluff check-raise our flop continuation bet than bluff the turn after we check the flop.--CM

Personally I like this play. I haven't played at this level in a while (too high for the current BR) but from experience alot of low limit players will instacall continuation bets with junk if you have been continuing on all preflop raises. Most of the folds seem to come when you fire again on the turn.The one spot I am curious about is how much you guys advocating fast playing this would bet. 1/2-2/3 pot?

[CrazyJoe 0]

No, thats a false claim that people can just spurt out in assumption.slow playing still looks weak, always will.

only if you are playing against monkeys, when you RERAISE before the flop then check IN POSTION on a K high flop, only a retard will assume your check means you have nothing.

Personally I like this play. I haven't played at this level in a while (too high for the current BR) but from experience alot of low limit players will instacall continuation bets with junk if you have been continuing on all preflop raises. Most of the folds seem to come when you fire again on the turn.The one spot I am curious about is how much you guys advocating fast playing this would bet. 1/2-2/3 pot?

i like 2/3 personally, but i guess it's a matter of personal preference.

[Royal_Tour 0]

only if you are playing against monkeys, when you RERAISE before the flop then check IN POSTION on a K high flop, only a retard will assume your check means you have nothing.i like 2/3 personally, but i guess it's a matter of personal preference.

lol thats why switching up your play is the key to winning.I'm sure you're not familiar with that yetany low PP folds, AQ AJ, your really only chance here to get action on a flop bet is vs AK or another set.and if thats how you play poker by "hoping" then good luck

[CrazyJoe 0]

lol thats why switching up your play is the key to winning.I'm sure you're not familiar with that yetany low PP folds, AQ AJ, your really only chance here to get action on a flop bet is vs AK or another set.and if thats how you play poker by "hoping" then good luck

dude, any low PP, AQ AJ, are going to fold on the turn too, unless they improve, and even if they do, you've shown massive strengh already so you aren't getting much action if any at all. You saying "slow play top set" isn't exactly mixing up your game either, now is it? People EXPECT you to bet here no matter what you have, betting is not giving away any information, CHECKING is very suspicous and a blatant obvious play. Your play in this situation depends a lot on your image obviously, but betting out is most certainly not a bad play.

[Royal_Tour 0]

dude, any low PP, AQ AJ, are going to fold on the turn too, unless they improve, and even if they do, you've shown massive strengh already so you aren't getting much action if any at all. You saying "slow play top set" isn't exactly mixing up your game either, now is it? People EXPECT you to bet here no matter what you have, betting is not giving away any information, CHECKING is very suspicous and a blatant obvious play. Your play in this situation depends a lot on your image obviously, but betting out is most certainly not a bad play.

dude, we're giving them the turn to catch a little something if they hold nothing.