Royal_Tour 0 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Ok. I'm not sure if this has been covered as a "general" idea.we all post hands to help critique, but i'm wondering maybe we can start posting hand situations to maximize the EV of a winner in ring games.example to start off..50/1.00 NL full ring5 ,6 in BB.MP raises to 3 c/o calls. BB call.flop 3,4,Q (2 hearts).we have OESD and flush draw.this table is fairly tight and not much has hit the board---who likes to fire out as 1st to act--- who likes to check?the Turn brings the 9 hearts. giving us our flush.---- what do you do here ast 1st to act if its HU.Try and imagine the senerio and what you would do, where? Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 C/R Flop Lead Turn. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 C/R Flop Lead Turn.This is the best line because if we get checked behind and the turn bricks, we can find a fold in a very small pot. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I think that the CR on the flop and lead the turn only maximizes the value if you actually hit the draw on the turn, because then it's harder to put you on the draw and you're more likely to get paid off.In almost any other situation, you're hoping that the original raiser has a big hand, maybe KK or something. If that's what I think the case is, I'm leading this flop to try and get all of my money in there. I want to lead so that he raises and I come back over the top.Check raising the flop isn't bad, but when you miss your draw on the turn, it's a bleak prospect to have to lead back into the opponent or decide to shut down and try and make the draw.In the long run, I think leading right out at the flop disguises your hand the most and enables you to do the most desirable thing here, which is to get all of your money in ON THE FLOP. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I lead all streets, even if I miss the turn and river..and I don't think it's close. If you think you can get him to bet a made flush/straight on the river for you, then, I might try for a sexy check/raise. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I lead all streets, even if I miss the turn and river..and I don't think it's close. If you think you can get him to bet a made flush/straight on the river for you, then, I might try for a sexy check/raise.Kind of dangerous to keep betting if you've missed everything and he hasn't gone away, isn't it?The only thing he will fold on the river is a busted draw. I don't mind leading all of the other streets, but it's read dependant once the river card bricks off. You are left in a very tough spot. That's why I'd try to take an avenue where you get all of your chips in as early as possible and not worry about those kind of situations. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Kind of dangerous to keep betting if you've missed everything and he hasn't gone away, isn't it?The only thing he will fold on the river is a busted draw. I don't mind leading all of the other streets, but it's read dependant once the river card bricks off. You are left in a very tough spot. That's why I'd try to take an avenue where you get all of your chips in as early as possible and not worry about those kind of situations.I think we can fold TPDecentK-TP2ndK, very possibly any pocket pair up to JJ, almost all AK's except AhKh...pretty much, the majority of the villain's raising hand range. Link to post Share on other sites
Peak01 0 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I prefer to C/R heads up a higher % of the time. You are more likely to get a c-bet heads up. In multi-way pots I will lead the betting a higher % of the time. Link to post Share on other sites
delasoul 0 Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 I like to lead out in this situation here since I can withstand a raise if he decides to do that. This way I can possibly avoid what to do on the river when it comes to a brick since I can possibly end the hand early. I am drawing to make a hand but at this point have nothing. I like this play because I can disguise my hand better and be the aggressor. Raiser pre-flop may have caught a piece of the flop and I doubt a check raise will do anything if he has a piece of this flop and you brick the turn. Now your force with a difficult turn decision to check or lead out again. Link to post Share on other sites
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