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[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

i wasnt saying a bare pair of J's was for sure good but our other cards + aggression makes this play much closer IMO than initially thought

Ding..off the top of my head, we have 9 outs, run it twice is ~36%, and we've got enough to make him fold..not to mention, we VERY WELL COULD HAVE THE BEST HAND. If I have TT and the flop comes J98, I'm leading too. Obviously I'm C-betting AK and AQ a lot of times, too

[Peak01 0]

i wasnt saying a bare pair of J's was for sure good but our other cards + aggression makes this play much closer IMO than initially thought

Nope, but when I do the same donkey move and lose a buy-in I try and rationalize it to myself as well. Doesn't make me feel any better though.You know you don't have to make these kind of moves at these stakes.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Ding..off the top of my head, we have 9 outs, run it twice is ~36%, and we've got enough to make him fold..not to mention, we VERY WELL COULD HAVE THE BEST HAND. If I have TT and the flop comes J98, I'm leading too. Obviously I'm C-betting AK and AQ a lot of times, too

its almost exactly 2-1 if he has an Over pair.its 50/50 if he has 2 overs with a flush draw.Ugh, the more i think about this hand, the more i like the push, (but only because of the FE)I much rather C/R here instead of a lead out.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

its almost exactly 2-1 if he has an Over pair.its 50/50 if he has 2 overs with a flush draw.Ugh, the more i think about this hand, the more i like the push, (but only because of the FE)I much rather C/R here instead of a lead out.

We did C/R the flop, so I'm with you there..and I think the biggest part is FE.. I think a lot of players would fold QQ here.

[stealfromblind 0]

wow krup way to back up your statements w/ sound reasoning.folding there is retardedly weak so im supposed to leave 50 in the middle when im less than a 2-1 dog against an overpair?and just because you cant fold an overpair doesnt mean i have no FE, if thats what you're implying by im not getting QQ-AA to fold therei dont even think i commented on how much more action we get if we are called and show down that hand. folding here is weakwhats more is we have a made hand/draw is it not possible that our oponent is actually behind???jesus how can you even contemplate a fold here. full ring it's a diff. story. but for christs sake it's 6 handed and i play laggy so im getting r/r'd here by less than AA-QQstrong bet obv=monster 5 of a kind. NO. he could make that same bet w/ 99-AA AK AQ even. weak weak weakwhat pisses me off is im getting no reasoning to back up these statements, is this what strat has become random one lined posts??

rwood i agree with most of your analysis on the hard with a few discripencies. i play mostly 100 mx shorthanded and when opponents checkraise me on the flop 90% of the time it means top pair/weak kicker and they don't want to see the turn(and i'm comming back over the top about 70% of the time). the other 10% of the time really LAG players who can get away with it will do this with 2 pair or a set. my suggestion would be just to open push on the flop instead of pulling out the old checkraise. the reasoning behind this is that he's going to take a lot more time contemplating your range of hands and you might even get a fold. whenever you checkraise someone on the flop their reaction is more impulsive and they seem to already have their finger on the autocall putton, especially with an overpair. i say if your willing to commit your stack here you need to open push. -steal's .02

[Zach6668 513]

I agree with Erik, pretty much.

[rwood 0]

rwood i agree with most of your analysis on the hard with a few discripencies. i play mostly 100 mx shorthanded and when opponents checkraise me on the flop 90% of the time it means top pair/weak kicker and they don't want to see the turn(and i'm comming back over the top about 70% of the time). the other 10% of the time really LAG players who can get away with it will do this with 2 pair or a set. my suggestion would be just to open push on the flop instead of pulling out the old checkraise. the reasoning behind this is that he's going to take a lot more time contemplating your range of hands and you might even get a fold. whenever you checkraise someone on the flop their reaction is more impulsive and they seem to already have their finger on the autocall putton, especially with an overpair. i say if your willing to commit your stack here you need to open push. -steal's .02

yea i was actually wishing i had open pushed here. im not too worried here about the C/R though, as i have enough behind to make hands fold a reasonable amount of time, although i do like open pushing much more, if i am called i dont mind showing down the hand, as i'll take the same line next time w/ a made monster...

I agree with Erik, pretty much.

who is erik?

Nope, but when I do the same donkey move and lose a buy-in I try and rationalize it to myself as well. Doesn't make me feel any better though.You know you don't have to make these kind of moves at these stakes.

um actually not ratiionalizing, i have no problem playing this hand the way i did, although open pushing may be better. this last sentence is just dumb.

[Zach6668 513]

Sorry, I should say I agree with DrawingDeadinDM.

[Naismith 0]

Personally, I play this hand exactly the same on the flop. Were I the villain in this hand, I would certainly think the OP flopped a set because he played it preflop like a middle pair. I think we have some FE here and we're even ahead of some of the hands that might call. You just have to be willing to lose a buy in and this seems like a good spot to get aggressive.That said, to the OP, I think you'd get some better discussion if you didn't react so poorly to every post that questions any move you made.

[rwood 0]

Personally, I play this hand exactly the same on the flop. Were I the villain in this hand, I would certainly think the OP flopped a set because he played it preflop like a middle pair. I think we have some FE here and we're even ahead of some of the hands that might call. You just have to be willing to lose a buy in and this seems like a good spot to get aggressive.That said, to the OP, I think you'd get some better discussion if you didn't react so poorly to every post that questions any move you made.

ughhhhhhhhhi wasnt reacting to them questioning my play as im obv not the best NL player in the world, what i was bitching about was people not even accepting the fact there are different ways to play a hand.

[Naismith 0]

ughhhhhhhhhi wasnt reacting to them questioning my play as im obv not the best NL player in the world, what i was bitching about was people not even accepting the fact there are different ways to play a hand.

That's cool, bro. Reacting poorly to [fill in blank] is probably a bad idea if you want good discussion.Regardless, I like the way you played the hand, but I've been known to get all of my money in drawing only to the occasional gutty.