pushing in with ak?

[justblaze 0]

fair enough. heres my thoughts: bad play.

If it worked for you every time it happened, wouldn't you continue the trend? Why mess with success, even if it's only for a night?

because the success is statistically improbable against a field of even mediocre players.

Fair enough. But for me, my thought process at the time was, "It's worked everytime I've done it, and I've added the blinds to my stack or won the few races I had to run, so keep doing it. ...I'm hungry."

greed is the downfall of many a great poker player.

[GhostfaceKillah 0]

i would love to play against you..............im hungry to and frankly i need to eat and pay the bills ......

[justblaze 0]

actually in sklansky tournament hold-em book he says this is a statistically better move than limping or calling with them, because it adds several ways you can win, and a large percentage of the time your win will come on the turn or the river. just saying its not as dumb as it sounds I mean yeah you are in trouble if kk or aa call but what are the odds on them having those 2 hands.

you are taking that way out of context though. he says raising is better than calling, but that does not mean you should raise all in with a good size stack.

[RPGs316 0]

fair enough. heres my thoughts: bad play.

If it worked for you every time it happened, wouldn't you continue the trend? Why mess with success, even if it's only for a night?

because the success is statistically improbable against a field of even mediocre players.

Fair enough. But for me, my thought process at the time was, "It's worked everytime I've done it, and I've added the blinds to my stack or won the few races I had to run, so keep doing it. ...I'm hungry."

greed is the downfall of many a great poker player.

I agree. That's why the poker boom scares me a little. I always wonder how many people are going to have to lose their house/job/wife/girlfriend/grades before it sinks in that this game isn't for everyone. Just because Varkoni [sp?] and Moneymaker did it doesn't mean everyone else can.

[snowbird 0]

you are my friend, what I like to call "pre-flop poker player" ....you see a nice hand when you look at your cards and immediately go all-in because you have no skill to play after the flop....any poker player worth a damn would know how to play this...help yourself out next time and put a decent little raise, wait to see the flop, and then play accordingly...you will quit that exercise quickly when someone calls with a little pair and then you come up dry... :roll:

[justblaze 0]

you are my friend, what I like to call "pre-flop poker player" ....you see a nice hand when you look at your cards and immediately go all-in because you have no skill to play after the flop....

this is actually a sound strategy if you think the other players are more skilled than you (see 'game theory') but by the OPs admission, he was 'the best player there'.

[RPGs316 0]

you are my friend, what I like to call "pre-flop poker player" ....you see a nice hand when you look at your cards and immediately go all-in because you have no skill to play after the flop....any poker player worth a damn would know how to play this...help yourself out next time and put a decent little raise, wait to see the flop, and then play accordingly...you will quit that exercise quickly when someone calls with a little pair and then you come up dry... :roll:

Wow, thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE critisizm.If you would have taken the time to read the posts above, you would have noticed that I mentioned several times that I did this for ONE tournament where it worked EVERY TIME. I followed the route of success on my way to winning the tournament. I also went on to say that I will never do this every time, because I know better. Saying that I don't have the skill to play after a flop is preposterous, you don't have the prior knowledge of what I am and am not capable of doing having never have played with me in your life. You should read everything before opening your mouth to say something offenseive.

[justblaze 0]

you are my friend, what I like to call "pre-flop poker player" ....you see a nice hand when you look at your cards and immediately go all-in because you have no skill to play after the flop....any poker player worth a damn would know how to play this...help yourself out next time and put a decent little raise, wait to see the flop, and then play accordingly...you will quit that exercise quickly when someone calls with a little pair and then you come up dry... :roll:

Wow, thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE critisizm.If you would have taken the time to read the posts above, you would have noticed that I mentioned several times that I did this for ONE tournament where it worked EVERY TIME. I followed the route of success on my way to winning the tournament. I also went on to say that I will never do this every time, because I know better. Saying that I don't have the skill to play after a flop is preposterous, you don't have the prior knowledge of what I am and am not capable of doing having never have played with me in your life. You should read everything before opening your mouth to say something offenseive.

well, to snowbirds defence, the post does make it seem as though you are afraid of playing this hand postflop.

[RPGs316 0]

you are my friend, what I like to call "pre-flop poker player" ....you see a nice hand when you look at your cards and immediately go all-in because you have no skill to play after the flop....any poker player worth a damn would know how to play this...help yourself out next time and put a decent little raise, wait to see the flop, and then play accordingly...you will quit that exercise quickly when someone calls with a little pair and then you come up dry... :roll:

Wow, thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE critisizm.If you would have taken the time to read the posts above, you would have noticed that I mentioned several times that I did this for ONE tournament where it worked EVERY TIME. I followed the route of success on my way to winning the tournament. I also went on to say that I will never do this every time, because I know better. Saying that I don't have the skill to play after a flop is preposterous, you don't have the prior knowledge of what I am and am not capable of doing having never have played with me in your life. You should read everything before opening your mouth to say something offenseive.

well, to snowbirds defence, the post does make it seem as though you are afraid of playing this hand postflop.

That's partially correct.I started in limit poker [3/6], and I got increidbly tired of getting this hand sucked out on because people were calling me the whole way with my two pair only to catch a runner-runner flush on the river with 3 6 . When I asked, out of curiousity, why they called with a 3 6 to catch the flush, the response, of course, was, "They were soooooooooooooooooooooooted."Recalling situations like that, and with the field of players I was in it was very possible that the same things may happen again which would cost me more money, I decided to push it all in with AK. Out of the numerous times I had the hand, I only had three calls, and all three races I won.

[TheIceman05 0]

These are the only possible reasons pushing with AK preflop into an unraised pot repeatedly is profitable/viable...1) There's a good chance someone will call with Ax or Kx.2) You lack the skill to make good post-flop judgments, or you just don't like the feeling you get in the pit of your stomach when you get checkraised after missing the flop. Otherwise, you're really just throwing equity in the toilet. Ace-King is a very very very strong hand, and you're going to win some very, very, very big pots with it if you make some good judgments on the flop. If the players are really as weak as you say they are, why not try the opposite strategy? Instead of ending it right there by moving in, limp with it? If you miss, oh well, you ended up losing like 2.5 bets. If you make top pair, you're going to take someone behind the woodshed. And if someone raises your limp, THEN consider pushing in. At least THIS way you're getting a little equity out of one of the five strongest hands in the game....Ice

[RPGs316 0]

These are the only possible reasons pushing with AK preflop into an unraised pot repeatedly is profitable/viable...1) There's a good chance someone will call with Ax or Kx.2) You lack the skill to make good post-flop judgments, or you just don't like the feeling you get in the pit of your stomach when you get checkraised after missing the flop. Otherwise, you're really just throwing equity in the toilet. Ace-King is a very very very strong hand, and you're going to win some very, very, very big pots with it if you make some good judgments on the flop. If the players are really as weak as you say they are, why not try the opposite strategy? Instead of ending it right there by moving in, limp with it? If you miss, oh well, you ended up losing like 2.5 bets. If you make top pair, you're going to take someone behind the woodshed. And if someone raises your limp, THEN consider pushing in. At least THIS way you're getting a little equity out of one of the five strongest hands in the game....Ice

Good points. However, oddly enough I find that I win with the lesser hands A-6, 9-7, 10-7, J-8. I played a game last night where I lost back-to-back hands of Q-Q that ended up eliminating me. The first was because he rivered a gut-shot straight, the second was because he flopped a full boat of 9's over 2's.I think what everyone is missing is that I only did this for one night which was in actuality four hours worth of play. This isn't something I do every time I get AK.

[vyrusguy 0]

Bad strategy. If you're called you're definitely losing going into the flop, unless of course a loose player calls with Ax, KQ...ect. Neglecting that, the best situation you're hoping for is a race which of course isn't a good thing when you have the worst of it

[snowbird 0]

you are my friend, what I like to call "pre-flop poker player" ....you see a nice hand when you look at your cards and immediately go all-in because you have no skill to play after the flop....any poker player worth a damn would know how to play this...help yourself out next time and put a decent little raise, wait to see the flop, and then play accordingly...you will quit that exercise quickly when someone calls with a little pair and then you come up dry... :roll:

Wow, thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE critisizm.If you would have taken the time to read the posts above, you would have noticed that I mentioned several times that I did this for ONE tournament where it worked EVERY TIME. I followed the route of success on my way to winning the tournament. I also went on to say that I will never do this every time, because I know better. Saying that I don't have the skill to play after a flop is preposterous, you don't have the prior knowledge of what I am and am not capable of doing having never have played with me in your life. You should read everything before opening your mouth to say something offenseive.

well, if you definitely did ask how we felt about this, and the overwhelmingly majority say its stupid, dumb, risky, and moronic. And that is saying it nicely. You asked for thoughts and comments, and that is exactly what I gave. My THOUGHT: you play pre-flop poker, and have no skill to play after the flop. If you did, then you would know that you could make your stack larger by playing this different. AK is the most overrated hand IMO. Why risk your stack when you don't even have a pair to start out with, and there are TONS of hands that are the very least a coin-flip to win or lose? If you enjoy putting your money on the line for a 50/50 chance, then you are playing the wrong game. You might as well just play craps or slots, hell play Keno at a casino for that matter. It's the worst odds in a casino, but at least it is better than a coin flip.My ADVICE: AK is a very powerful hand if you hit on the flop. If your A or K hit, then more than likely you have top pair. If you have a late position, then you are in control. All it takes is ONE time to not hit the flop and thats it. No more ALL IN for you. Play AK aggressively, but be aware that it is still only A high if you don't hit the flop.

[justblaze 0]

AK is the most overrated hand IMO.actually its not. its just the most overplayed hand. play Keno at a casino for that matter. It's the worst odds in a casino, but at least it is better than a coin flip.actually its way worse than a coinflip. AK is a very powerful hand if you hit on the flop. If your A or K hit, then more than likely you have top pair.congratulations, i actually burst out in laughter reading this. this is the most useless statement ive ever heard. of course you will have top pair, theres no higher pairs possible. thats why its such a good hand, genius.

[TheIceman05 0]

AK is the most overrated hand IMO.actually its not. its just the most overplayed hand. play Keno at a casino for that matter. It's the worst odds in a casino, but at least it is better than a coin flip.actually its way worse than a coinflip. AK is a very powerful hand if you hit on the flop. If your A or K hit, then more than likely you have top pair.congratulations, i actually burst out in laughter reading this. this is the most useless statement ive ever heard. of course you will have top pair, theres no higher pairs possible. thats why its such a good hand, genius.

All of those things were awesome. We're now officially pals, Blaze. I respect your knowledge of the game and sense of humor more everyday. Also, your obvious propensity to consume large quantities of marijuana. Ice

[Royal_Tour 0]

fair enough. heres my thoughts: bad play.

If it worked for you every time it happened, wouldn't you continue the trend? Why mess with success, even if it's only for a night?

This play does not make any sense., If you shoot crack and dont get hooked, well good for you. u had a good buzz., but odds our like your idea.. your going to continue to do it.. and your going to get F'd up. You cannot call this a "theory".. or a type of play. Your pushing all in with Ace, king, which is a underdog to any pocket pair. If you cannot play ace king post flop confidently, then you should rexamine your strategies.

[justblaze 0]

AK is the most overrated hand IMO.actually its not. its just the most overplayed hand. play Keno at a casino for that matter. It's the worst odds in a casino, but at least it is better than a coin flip.actually its way worse than a coinflip. AK is a very powerful hand if you hit on the flop. If your A or K hit, then more than likely you have top pair.congratulations, i actually burst out in laughter reading this. this is the most useless statement ive ever heard. of course you will have top pair, theres no higher pairs possible. thats why its such a good hand, genius.

All of those things were awesome. We're now officially pals, Blaze. I respect your knowledge of the game and sense of humor more everyday. Also, your obvious propensity to consume large quantities of marijuana. Ice

sweet! i made a friend!

[jack24bauer24 0]

I think this a terrible, terrible, terrible (did I mention terrible) play. You'd be better off folding AK preflop than going in.If you have to go all in to win blinds with AK and build your stack that way, tournament play is not for you.There is no single decent, even semi competent player in the world who plays like this.You could go all in with AK 10 straight times...win the blinds every time, woooohhoooo...then on your 11th time you run into aa, kk, or possibly QQ, get busted out and say to yourself "man, going all in with ak is really stupid".

[BigDMcGee 3,357]

Is that RPGs316 gave us neither his stack size, the blind/ante size, his relative chip position, or the skill level/betting/calling tendancies of his competition. If he has say 5000 in chips, and the blinds are 1000-500, with 25 antes, I'd say all in with ace-king is your only play. But if he has 5000 in chips, and the blinds are 25-50, I'd say his play is questionable... most of the time... but.. if you have really bad players ( which I see all the time) who call big bets with K-Q, or Ace-Jack ( which I call " Nub's (nub=noobie) Nuts), or worse.. which happen.. all the time, then His strat is perfectly sound. Will he run into Ace's or kings eventually.. yes, but both those hands are unlikely since he has both and ace or king... plus, lets say he's in a hand with Queens. The blinds are 1000-500, our man has 10000, as does the man with Queens. our man raises to 3000, as does Queens... the flop comes down j-7-3... Queens goes all in... now our man proably folds. Conversely, the flop comes down Ace-7-3. Our man goes all in, and Queens folds. So here's the problem, while ace king is a coin flip by the river, it is NOT a coin flip on the flop.. so it is vulerable to being bet out on the flop when a A or King doesn't come. Conversely, When an Ace or king does come, it can scare out the Queens into not paying you off. If you're all in, you guarentee that you'll see the river, and get good odds against the Queens. Now.. some of you might say that AK is pot commited on the flop, and has to call or go all in on the flop anyway.. reguardless... OK, maybe.. but that's even more of an agrument... If you're pot commited to an j -7 -4 flop.. but is Queens on a A-7-4 flop? what about a A-K-5 flop? You see, you're not winning that money from queens when you make your hand, but you're paying off Queens when you don't. That's why I don't think his AK strat is all that bad.. situationally.

[jack24bauer24 0]

Well yes, but he made it sound like he's going all in with ak from the first level of a tournament straight through to the final table.Obviously I go all in with AK as the blinds go up and depending on my chip stack, I'm talking about going all in with AK every time no matter what.

[RPGs316 0]

Well yes, but he made it sound like he's going all in with ak from the first level of a tournament straight through to the final table.Obviously I go all in with AK as the blinds go up and depending on my chip stack, I'm talking about going all in with AK every time no matter what.

Well, you hit the nail on the head. I did just that. I pushed it all in from first table to final table. Why? Because after I established my position as chip leader/table bully, I showed the AK to make it look like I was always getting premium hands. I also did it out of partial fear of getting the dreaded suck out.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Well yes, but he made it sound like he's going all in with ak from the first level of a tournament straight through to the final table.Obviously I go all in with AK as the blinds go up and depending on my chip stack, I'm talking about going all in with AK every time no matter what.

Well, you hit the nail on the head. I did just that. I pushed it all in from first table to final table. Why? Because after I established my position as chip leader/table bully, I showed the AK to make it look like I was always getting premium hands. I also did it out of partial fear of getting the dreaded suck out.

I played a guy just like you, in a tournament.. no word of a lie., he loved big slick.He made it to the final table,, but he lost to me, when i hit the flush, which gave him the straight to the ace with his big slick. Now granted, he didnt push all in pre flop.. but he pushed all in, constantly. And he got caught.