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see, thats where it can get into a huge debate.How many max buy-ins in a NL holdem cash game until its clear there is a leak in your game?
it depends on what % favorite you get your money in with. You can lose 5 buyins getting your money in as an 8o% favorite, it can happen.
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Uhhhhhhh, NO.
uhhhhhhh, yes. its really not that hard to make 1k a week playing shorthanded .50/1 or 3 rings of .50/1. im up $650 in the past two days(a little positive variance never hurts) but will probably make about $1200-$1300 this week playing only .50/1 nl. it is very doable. and yes doable is a word. or is it?
see, thats where it can get into a huge debate.How many max buy-ins in a NL holdem cash game until its clear there is a leak in your game?
meh, i've been watching the br requirement debate in this thread and i think its a little misleading. i think your br requirements need to directly reflect how good of a player you are. there are definately several players on this forum good enough to grind out a BR starting with just 10 buy-ins.
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so what is a good rule of thumb for BRs playing online something like 500x the big blind or what, i think that is my prob i overplay my BR

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ok. well first, anyone who blows 1000-2000 in a 1-2 or 2-4 game should stop playing anyways.and lets also remember that playing 1-2 or 2-4 with a BR of 1000 - 2000 is stupid on its own. His BR for those limits should already be established. 2nd. No i'm not talking about living at home. I'm talking about the idea of someone with very little bills, most 20 year olds who have nothing tying them down.
I blew 30k in 3 days playing 5 10, does that mean i should stop playing, i am still up 49 for the month. Really bad down swings happen i wouldn't suggest playing for a living at 2-4nl with less then a 15k roll
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I blew 30k in 3 days playing 5 10, does that mean i should stop playing, i am still up 49 for the month. Really bad down swings happen i wouldn't suggest playing for a living at 2-4nl with less then a 15k roll
Huh.... I'd like to take all this as great advice, trust me, I really would But if what your saying is true, Its a basic comparison to someone @ 1-2NL being up 9800.00 for the month. after dumping 6000 in 3 days.Now I'm assuming your buy in for 5-10nl is 1000. thats what it was when i played 5-10nl Its possible you play live with no max, or a different site with higher. But on average, @ 100x BB, its 1000.Edit; Just so we are clear, a person trying to start out playing 1-2 or 2-4 full time needs 15k because of ridiculous downswings that have occured to you?My advice to the OP. if he has no priorities, and 6k as a BR, go for it.
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uhhhhhhh, yes. its really not that hard to make 1k a week playing shorthanded .50/1 or 3 rings of .50/1. im up $650 in the past two days(a little positive variance never hurts) but will probably make about $1200-$1300 this week playing only .50/1 nl. it is very doable. and yes doable is a word. or is it?
to do this you would have to have a PTBB/100 win rate of around 7 and that is proabably for a good to strong player somewhat resonable from what i have read. But that is playing 3 tables if you only 2 table your not going to make it without flat destroying the game. for informational purposes not braggin cause really i don't care. but over 9,000(small sample) at 25 max and 50max NL games i have a PTBB of 8.98/100, I would assume that, and when i have played .50 1 and 1 2, the competion isn't that much better. So at .50 1 and 1 2 it might be realistic to have a PTbb of 7+ over a long period of time if your a strong player(which you should be if your playing for a living).And as far as new mice and mointors and computers well how you spend you profits is up to you or your better half. but you can probably get by on one weeks winnings for all that new stuff. Here is a question if you playing for your food and rent when do you take a shot at moving up? or do you find a standard of living that your comfortable with and stay there?
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10 tabling 50/1 for 6 hours per day can get you $1500 per week and you can do this with a $3K bankroll. You do need to be tilt free though and concentrate helps to only play 3 hours per sess. if you play on stars you will atain supernova ranking and get 1.8 mill ffps per year which lets you freeroll the main event at wsop and a few prelim events too

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Top players can probably do that playing .25/.50NL or 1/2LHE online.(you'd be wasting your time if you were capable of doing it, but it's possible)Why anyone would play live for a living is beyond me, unless they play super high stakes.A great small stakes player online will make considerably more than a great mid stakes player live if they use their time effectively. The streams of income will be much more reliable, and the risk is negligable by comparison.

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10 tabling 50/1 for 6 hours per day can get you $1500 per week and you can do this with a $3K bankroll. You do need to be tilt free though and concentrate helps to only play 3 hours per sess. if you play on stars you will atain supernova ranking and get 1.8 mill ffps per year which lets you freeroll the main event at wsop and a few prelim events too
Hats off to anyone who can do that.
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Top players can probably do that playing .25/.50NL or 1/2LHE online.(you'd be wasting your time if you were capable of doing it, but it's possible)Why anyone would play live for a living is beyond me, unless they play super high stakes.A great small stakes player online will make considerably more than a great mid stakes player live if they use their time effectively. The streams of income will be much more reliable, and the risk is negligable by comparison.
But, it's a lot more of grind and there's no social interaction. Just sayin'.
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Top players can probably do that playing .25/.50NL or 1/2LHE online.(you'd be wasting your time if you were capable of doing it, but it's possible)Why anyone would play live for a living is beyond me, unless they play super high stakes.A great small stakes player online will make considerably more than a great mid stakes player live if they use their time effectively. The streams of income will be much more reliable, and the risk is negligable by comparison.
if i lived in Vegas i would play live full time even if it was just 1-2NLPlaying for income online annoys me unless its MTT's or big stakes.Playing live in a casino brings me back to life. maybe its the O2 they pump into the place or the ringing of the slots, but i feel born again everytimedid you know my *** still sweat when i pull into the parking lot. No BS, i love playing live that much that i get excited even to this day
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for informational purposes not braggin cause really i don't care. but over 9,000(small sample) at 25 max and 50max NL games i have a PTBB of 8.98/100, I would assume that, and when i have played .50 1 and 1 2, the competion isn't that much better. So at .50 1 and 1 2 it might be realistic to have a PTbb of 7+ over a long period of time if your a strong player(which you should be if your playing for a living).
.50/1 shorthanded is a completely different beast than .50/1 ring and you can have insane winrates. of course with upswings come downswings. players are generally horrible until you get to 2/4.
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But, it's a lot more of grind and there's no social interaction. Just sayin'.
You can play a fraction of the time and spend the rest of the day out with friends.Or you could spend many more hours more enjoying the company of gambling degenerates, listening to their bad beat stories.
if i lived in Vegas i would play live full time even if it was just 1-2NLPlaying for income online annoys me unless its MTT's or big stakes.Playing live in a casino brings me back to life. maybe its the O2 they pump into the place or the ringing of the slots, but i feel born again everytimedid you know my *** still sweat when i pull into the parking lot. No BS, i love playing live that much that i get excited even to this day
It's fun. But it's not a good way to make a living.I want to enjoy what i do. And i do.For slightly less enjoyment, i make a ton more and make it far more reliably.
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Top players can probably do that playing .25/.50NL or 1/2LHE online.(you'd be wasting your time if you were capable of doing it, but it's possible)Why anyone would play live for a living is beyond me, unless they play super high stakes.A great small stakes player online will make considerably more than a great mid stakes player live if they use their time effectively. The streams of income will be much more reliable, and the risk is negligable by comparison.
live poker is just more beatable. it's that simple. i've seen 50/100 games live that play softer than most 3/6 games online. winrates of upwards of 10BB/100 in limit poker are entirely doable if you have a good feel for tells, when your opponents are tilting, etc. i don't play much NL, but i'd imagine 20bb/100 is totally easy to do at most live NL games i've seen. but i could be wrong about the latter.sure, you see less hands. sure, it's no rakeback or bonuses. but my winrate in live games at comparable limits is more than double what it is online. if you play high enough stakes (which, to be sure, isn't true of a lot of people who would read this) and practice good table selection, you could easily make a living playing strictly 5/10 LHE or 1/2 NL live or online (i know people that do all 4).what's important is that you not overestimate your ability to beat a game, be honest with yourself about those days where you just can't overcome the rake because the game is too rocky, etc. those are the things that make you lose $.also, after starting to dabble in NL games after a life of limit cash games, i don't think 15-20bb/100 should be too far out of reach for most .50/1 or 1/2 shorthanded NL players. but my sample's a little small for now, so i'm not entirely sure about that.
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live poker is just more beatable. it's that simple. i've seen 50/100 games live that play softer than most 3/6 games online. winrates of upwards of 10BB/100 in limit poker are entirely doable if you have a good feel for tells, when your opponents are tilting, etc. i don't play much NL, but i'd imagine 20bb/100 is totally easy to do at most live NL games i've seen. but i could be wrong about the latter.
50/100+ falls into the "high stakes" category, for which there are at least some circumstances where it's justifiable.But i think that 50/100 is even low by that standard.You will very rarely find 50/100 games that good. Even at 10BB/100, that's only $300 an hour (i think you're way overestimating there since such a game will inevitably attract strong players to fill in the gaps). That isnt enough to make up for the fact that the other 35 hours of your 40 hour week will consist of smaller games against not so soft players, where you'll be averaging less than what you'd make online multi tabling small stake games.And there's obviously a huge psychological benefit to playing in games where swings feel negligable. If you could find regular 50/100 games that were REALLLY easy, then i can see playing live over online. But it'd take a lot.
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50/100+ falls into the "high stakes" category, for which there are at least some circumstances where it's justifiable.But i think that 50/100 is even low by that standard.You will very rarely find 50/100 games that good. Even at 10BB/100, that's only $300 an hour (i think you're way overestimating there since such a game will inevitably attract strong players to fill in the gaps). That isnt enough to make up for the fact that the other 35 hours of your 40 hour week will consist of smaller games against not so soft players, where you'll be averaging less than what you'd make online multi tabling small stake games.And there's obviously a huge psychological benefit to playing in games where swings feel negligable. If you could find regular 50/100 games that were REALLLY easy, then i can see playing live over online. But it'd take a lot.
indeed, 50/100 is up there, but my point stands about winrates. i used to play in a 20/40 game at brantford that would REGULARLY see capped family pots preflop. people up at those limits in live poker are often there to gamble and not professional players, and there are so many physical tells in live poker that if you become attuned to such things it's not profoundly different from people playing with their cards face up once you reach the turn.moreover, i knew a lot of guys at brantford who made their living at 10/20 and even a few who would grind out 3/6 to pay the bills. i'm not trying to say that playing live is preferable to online, because that's a personal judgment call. personally, i need to split my time between live and online or i get bored. i'm sure others strongly prefer one or the other. i wouldn't pass judgment on any of them, since i've seen people make decent livings in both settings at a variety of limits.it all comes down to what you want from poker. do you want to be on tv? play tournaments. do you want to just make enough to get by and not have a "real job"? there are a lot of options depending on your skill level. do you aspire to be the best cash game player in the world? at one game or all of them? well then you'll have to be playing live. there are a lot of options for a lot of tastes, and most of them are a matter of preference if you have the skill and drive to really make a go at it.
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it all comes down to what you want from poker. do you want to be on tv? play tournaments. do you want to just make enough to get by and not have a "real job"? there are a lot of options depending on your skill level. do you aspire to be the best cash game player in the world? at one game or all of them? well then you'll have to be playing live. there are a lot of options for a lot of tastes, and most of them are a matter of preference if you have the skill and drive to really make a go at it.
Well said.However, if your 1 goal is to "make the most money possible" there is no question that playing online is far superior to live play.
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Well said.However, if your 1 goal is to "make the most money possible" there is no question that playing online is far superior to live play.
Well, some people just cannot adapt to online play. A lot of people don't have the focus for online play, they become too distracted. I wouldn't go out and say that online is far superior in money terms, it just isn't for everyone.
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However, if your 1 goal is to "make the most money possible" there is no question that playing online is far superior to live play.
i think the biggest difference between online play on live play is alcohol. if there wasn't liquor served where i went to play live i would probably never bother showing up. by 8pm more than half of the people at the tables are drunk almost every time i show up, which is +++ev. the whole thing is setup like a party enviroment and people just seem to set their wallets on fire every time they walk in. its always a bunch of 30-60 year old guys trying to get some time away from the wife/job and getting boozed up while stairing at the waitresses tits, they don't care how much they lose. i don't see this kind of action at online tables and i'm fairly positive i never will. if it weren't for alcohol, i would agree 100% with abba, but i'll have to side with checky on this one.-steal
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I think I may prefer online...granted the competition is tougher but the rake is much lower and there is no dealer tokes. Add the fact that you can multi table instead of seeing 35 hands/hr live...its just a more proficient way to spend you're time. Although I have found that I improve my game faster when I play live...maybe its cuz all the jerks that rags on me when I make a bad play.

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Huh.... I'd like to take all this as great advice, trust me, I really would But if what your saying is true, Its a basic comparison to someone @ 1-2NL being up 9800.00 for the month. after dumping 6000 in 3 days.Now I'm assuming your buy in for 5-10nl is 1000. thats what it was when i played 5-10nl Its possible you play live with no max, or a different site with higher. But on average, @ 100x BB, its 1000.Edit; Just so we are clear, a person trying to start out playing 1-2 or 2-4 full time needs 15k because of ridiculous downswings that have occured to you?My advice to the OP. if he has no priorities, and 6k as a BR, go for it.
I been playing for a living for about 2 years, never a losing month biggest downswing before this one was 8 buy ins, 8 buy in swings has happened to me quite often i would say at least 10 times in a span of 2 years. I only play online where the max buy in was 1000$ with abit of 10 20 not much. I really don't suggest playing for a living with a short role, makes it way to stressfull. By the way why would i lie about losing 30k, losing is not something i like to brag aboutHere were my numbers, I started playing for a living at 1 2, was making around 5-6k a month played 1-2nl, for about 4-5 months, then moved up to 2-4nl where my worst month at 2-4nl was 9 and my best was 21. I was putting in i would say around 40 hours a week.I play for a living and i have a great social life and i am very happy with my decision to play poker for a living, wanna make sure you do other things then play poker, I coach tennis for a college team just so i can keep my self grounded. It takes a special kind of person to be able to lose 10k in a day and still go out with you're friends have fun, i would say it took me about a 1 year before the money doesn't affect me anymore
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