bad play?

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1c/2c NL on Pstars in the BB with J9s .... three callers i check .flop comes down: 8 K 10 rainbow giving me an OESD...i bet out 20c into an 8c pot one caller directly to my left everyone else foldedTurned the Q for the k high str8 i check thinking to slow play he checks behind me and the river brings another 10 pairng the board... his last check showed weakness and theres no flush so the only thing that can beat me is the boat or quad tens or maybe a higher straight... there was no raise on PF so im thinking he doesnt have AJ or a pocket pair he didnt bet the flop just called my bet so maybe hes on the draw not really sure im first to act on the river and i want a call so i over bet 1 dollar into a .50cent pot hoping he will think im bluffing at it he comes over the top for 7 dollars and without hesitation i call..... he shows 10 8 for the boat should i have known should i have bet the turn?? any help here would be appreciated.. thx

[Dirtydutch 8]

you bet $.20 into an $.08 pot with a str8 draw?Dutch.

[Scott31 0]

Yeah, like what Dutch said, that's a silly overbet for jack high. Bet the pot here in some situations, but most of the time, you want to check and play defense here. By no means fold, but don't get too crazy with this. Definitely bet the turn, although you'll still lose this pot almost every time. He's not going to fold his two pair on the turn unless you bet all in and say, "I got a straight, oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah." :-)

[Dirtydutch 8]

Definitely bet the turn, although you'll still lose this pot almost every time. He's not going to fold his two pair on the turn unless you bet all in and say, "I got a straight, oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah." :-)

LOL

[Random Fluke 0]

i bet out 20c into an 8c pot one caller directly to my left everyone else folded

This was your biggest mistake, and for several reasons. You are on a straight draw, you want as many callers as possible! Bet a reasonable amount that you think most of the people in the pot will call. If you hit your straight you are likely to have the best hand, and with a hand as strong as top straight you want as many people in as possible, because it is unlikely anyone will have you beat and if you can build the pot properly you will be able to extract bets from a larger field.In this case you lost, but most of the time a making your straight here means you win the pot. with a straight draw you have 35% pot equity. What that means is if you can get 4 or more callers on a bet, you make money. It basically means 35% of the pot belongs to you. Straight draws are profitable with 4 or more callers, and unprofitable with 2 or less.

[Scott31 0]

Straight draws are profitable with 4 or more callers, and unprofitable with 2 or less.

In a word, no. with a straight draw you have 35% pot equity.Nope. 8 whole outs on the flop= 31.5% It seems like I'm nit picking, but it matters a ton in limit and some in NL. The rest of your post was fine, but I don't think you quite grasp pot equity on the flop. Yes, you have a 32% chance of winning this pot, which means that as long as you contribute less than 32% of the subsequent bettingon the flop, you have made a pot equity edge. For example, if you have KTd on the button and you have a nut straight draw (basically just a naked one....let's not count the K as a whole out for this purpose). EP2 bets out and 2 guys call (this is limit btw)....it is now ok for you to raise. Why?Well, you have a 32 percent chance of winning this pot and you are only contributing 25% (or 1/4) on the flop, which gives you a pot equity edge of 7%. Not a big edge, but casinos have made billions with less of an edge than that one. In the rare case that one of the bettors or callers folds, you blow your edge, but that almost never happens, so it's a good play. Now, if there was just 1 other opponent in on the flop, then you would be contributing 50% on the flop betting when you only win 32% of the time. Which means you're hemorrhaging 18% on this flop. Get it?

[jlgosse 0]

You should NOT have called his 7 dollar raise on a penny table like that (with the board paired), especially on pokerstars. Alot of people seem to pick up boats in situations like this, so it's best to avoid them.The only way I think you could have won this hand was if you raised pre-flop to push the T8 out of the pot before he got his two pair.

[Scott31 0]

You like raising J9? I don't.

[Random Fluke 0]

[Nope. 8 whole outs on the flop= 31.5% It seems like I'm nit picking, but it matters a ton in limit and some in NL.

Ah yeah, it's a flush with 9 outs that is 35% not straight, my mistake. I'm a little embarassed that I got the straight and flush percentages mixed up, ah well