Evidence Of Life After Death

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It is evidence when all physical signs point to physical death. Have a nice day!

Why do only 5% of people with NDEs experience these symptoms and not 100%?

[zzz 0]

Why do only 5% of people with NDEs experience these symptoms and not 100%?

I don't know what you are talking about. 5% of NDEers experience consciousness during their NDEs? That makes no sense. All claim they are conscious. That is the whole point of a NDE...being conscious when you are physically incapable of being conscious. Only a couple hundred have proved they were conscious via hearing and seeing things happening that can later be verified. Have a nice day!

[crowTrobot 2]

I don't know what you are talking about. 5% of NDEers experience consciousness during their NDEs? That makes no sense. All claim they are conscious. That is the whole point of a NDE...being conscious when you are physically incapable of being conscious. Only a couple hundred have proved they were conscious via hearing and seeing things happening that can later be verified. Have a nice day!

the question should be why do only 5% of people who undergo clinical death report out of body experiences. i don't know if the 5% is accurate, but in all studies i've read those with out of body memories are in the minority.

[brvheart 1,755]

It would be good for a Christian to know the information brought back by NDEers as well. Such as the contradiction of God is love and God condemns. Most all NDEers agree that there is no judging, condemning God.

This post is complete crap. Christians don't 'need' any information from anyone.

[zzz 0]

This post is complete crap. Christians don't 'need' any information from anyone.

Lol. I never said that. I am saying that most NDEers have a very positive outlook on life and reading their stories with an open mind would be beneficial to Christians and everyone else.

[zzz 0]

the question should be why do only 5% of people who undergo clinical death report out of body experiences. i don't know if the 5% is accurate, but in all studies i've read those with out of body memories are in the minority.

...“The data suggest that the NDE arises during unconsciousness. This is a surprising conclusion, because when the brain is so dysfunctional that the patient is deeply comatose, the cerebral structures, which underpin subjective experience and memory, must be severely impaired. Complex experiences such as are reported in the NDE should not arise or be retained in memory. Such patients would be expected to have no subjective experience [as was the case in the vast majority of patients who survive cardiac arrest in the three published prospective studies1-3 or at best a confusional state if some brain function is retained. Even if the unconscious brain is flooded by neurotransmitters this should not produce clear, lucid remembered experiences, as those cerebral modules, which generate conscious experience, are impaired by cerebral anoxia. The fact that in a cardiac arrest loss of cortical function precedes the rapid loss of brainstem activity lends further support to this view. An alternative explanation would be that the observed experiences arise during the loss of, or on regaining consciousness. The transition from consciousness to unconsciousness is rapid, with the EEG showing changes within a few seconds, and appearing immediate to the subject. Experiences which occur during the recovery of consciousness are confusional, which these were not”. In fact, memory is a very sensitive indicator of brain injury and the length of amnesia before and after unconsciousness is an indicator of the severity of the injury. Therefore, events that occur just prior to or just after loss of consciousness would not be expected to be recalled. And as stated before, in our study1 patients with loss of memory induced by lengthy CPR reported significantly fewer NDE. Good short-term memory seems to be essential for remembering NDE. Have a nice day!

[crowTrobot 2]

Such patients would be expected to have no subjective experience as was the case in the vast majority of patients who survive cardiac arrest in the three published prospective studies1-3

thanks you for confirming what i said

And as stated before, in our study1 patients with loss of memory induced by lengthy CPR reported significantly fewer NDE. Good short-term memory seems to be essential for remembering NDE

yup. people with good short-term memory are more likely to remember their hallucinations. makes sense to me.

[zzz 0]

yup. people with good short-term memory are more likely to remember their hallucinations. makes sense to me.

Hallucinations would have showed up on the EEG. Thanks for trying! Have a nice day!Why only a minority recall their NDE? Because most people's short term memory was too "severly impaired" to remember them.Either that or only a minority have souls...take your pick.Have a nice day!

[crowTrobot 2]

Hallucinations would have showed up on the EEG.

ok. no need to bother rehashing how that's a huge unproven assumption

Why only a minority recall their NDE? Because most people's short term memory was too "severly impaired" to remember them.Either that or only a minority have souls...take your pick.

either that or they don't recall them because they didn't have them. duh.

[zzz 0]

ok. no need to bother rehashing how that's a huge unproven assumptioneither that or they don't recall them because they didn't have them. duh.

No. Hallucinations do in fact show on EEGs. Also, in many cases the experience has been proven to be in fact real, not a hallucination.LOL.Have a nice day!

[crowTrobot 2]

No. Hallucinations do in fact show on EEGs. Also, in many cases the experience has been proven to be in fact real, not a hallucination.LOL.Have a nice day!

*cough*virgin

[zzz 0]

*cough*virgin

Lol, I didn't know I was talking to a 5 yr. old.Have a nice day!

[brvheart 1,755]

The moment I figured out that zzz wasn't a Christian, this thread became completely worthless. Crow, why even waste your time here? ZZZ is already 'converted'.

[zzz 0]

The moment I figured out that zzz wasn't a Christian, this thread became completely worthless. Crow, why even waste your time here? ZZZ is already 'converted'.

Lol, converted to what? Happiness?! Have a nice day!

[timwakefield 68]

Yow I can't believe this thread is 8 pages. It is decidedly impossible to show proof of what happens to your consciousness after you die.

[crowTrobot 2]

The moment I figured out that zzz wasn't a Christian, this thread became completely worthless. Crow, why even waste your time here? ZZZ is already 'converted'.

because it's not about religion specifically, it's about exposing potentially detrimental irrational schools of thought whatever they are.

[zzz 0]

because it's not about religion specifically, it's about exposing potentially detrimental irrational schools of thought whatever they are.

Detrimental? Lol, It is detrimental to believe in life after death? Irrational? Lommel's study has yet to be medically explained. Have a nice day!

Yow I can't believe this thread is 8 pages. It is decidedly impossible to show proof of what happens to your consciousness after you die.

There is scientifc evidence showing that there is life after death. Have a nice day!

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Detrimental? Lol, It is detrimental to believe in life after death? Irrational? Lommel's study has yet to be medically explained. Have a nice day!There is scientifc evidence showing that there is life after death. Have a nice day!

I don't believe it is detrimental to believe in life after death. (Believing in a Christian heaven is another argument entirely).However, I do have concrete and irrefutable evidence, borne from my own experience, that NDEs are not evidence of life after death. Until you have one you will not have this evidence, but I can assure you that it is true.

[crowTrobot 2]

Detrimental? Lol, It is detrimental to believe in life after death?

definitely. by posting such nonsense in this forum you are spreading and validating the irrational religious belief of others, the psudo-science designed to support your belief funnels funding and man-power from other fields where it is desparately needed, and religious or not irrational belief in an afterlife typically ends up lending indirect support to the radical christian right wing.

Irrational?

you are the only one in this thread, including christians who already believe in an afterlife, who thinks your reasoning is rational and objective (except maybe theresa lol).

[zzz 0]

definitely. by posting such nonsense in this forum you are spreading and validating the irrational religious belief of others, the psudo-science designed to support your belief funnels funding and man-power from other fields where it is desparately needed, and religious or not irrational belief in an afterlife typically ends up lending indirect support to the radical christian right wing.

At least I know where your bias comes from. Have a nice day!

[brvheart 1,755]

because it's not about religion specifically, it's about exposing potentially detrimental irrational schools of thought whatever they are.

I can except this line of reasoning.

[zzz 0]

However, I do have concrete and irrefutable evidence, borne from my own experience, that NDEs are not evidence of life after death. Until you have one you will not have this evidence, but I can assure you that it is true.

Pam Reynolds has concrete and irrefutable evidence, borne from her own experience, that NDEs are evidence of life after death. Until you have one when dead, you will not have this evidence, but she can assure you that it is true. Have a nice day!

[brvheart 1,755]

definitely. by posting such nonsense in this forum you are spreading and validating the irrational religious belief of others, the psudo-science designed to support your belief funnels funding and man-power from other fields where it is desparately needed, and religious or not irrational belief in an afterlife typically ends up lending indirect support to the radical christian right wing.

Trust me... we don't want or need any direct or indirect 'support' from zzz.

[zzz 0]

you are the only one in this thread, including christians who already believe in an afterlife, who thinks your reasoning is rational and objective (except maybe theresa lol).

Many scientists look at the evidence and conclude that there is life after death. Have a nice day!

[brvheart 1,755]

Many scientists look at the evidence and conclude that there is life after death. Have a nice day!

Any links to these 'many' scientists websites?