10k Wpt Niagara Hand.

[Dratj 0]

I'm on the cutoff, it's around fourth level blinds, 100 200 I think with 2 2.UTG pops to 600, hijack + 1 calls, I call, everyone else folds.Flop comes down 10 3 2 rainbow. (Reminds of my 1500 WSOP nl event-I busted out early when someone gave me a bad beat when I flopped a set of 2's).UTG cbets 2000, hj+1 raises to 4500, i smooth call after checking to see how much hj+1 had(I asked him).turn is a six. they check, I go all in for about 12K, they both fold. hj+1 "saids your set of threes is good", although he was wrong, he was pretty close. Did I make the strength of my hand too obvious by a) smooth calling?and B) checking his stack thus making it obvious that I wanted it all? I think if I shoved instead on the flop, i think one of them may have called as they expect that I would slowplay a set instead of shoving.

[GABMAD 0]

stacks?

[tskillz187 0]

I'm going to assume everyone's stack is near 20k because that's what you started with.Once there is a C-bet at 2k and a raise to 4.5k no matter what you do they are going to know you have a huge hand. It's pretty read dependent, I sure wouldn't ask what stacks are though. I would probably raise it to 11kish and hope one of the two would get stacked with a big PP.Not too much you did "wrong" though. Sometimes people don't have much.

[Dratj 0]

I'm going to assume everyone's stack is near 20k because that's what you started with.Once there is a C-bet at 2k and a raise to 4.5k no matter what you do they are going to know you have a huge hand. It's pretty read dependent, I sure wouldn't ask what stacks are though. I would probably raise it to 11kish and hope one of the two would get stacked with a big PP.Not too much you did "wrong" though. Sometimes people don't have much.

I had about 24K ish and the other 2 covered me.

stacks?

24K, everyone covers me, advice now please?

[rwood 0]

i think here it all depends on your image, unfortunately, that flop is SUPER dry. unless there was a flush draw or something, it's going to be pretty clear you have a monster. have you been raising and RR'ing a bunch? this is a time that a laggy image helps out a lot. as it's played, the only way you even have a chance to extract a little more value if at all is to hum and mull over the call for a minute or two and try to rep a pair like JJ or QQ talking themselves into an overcall.secondly the turn card is somewhat ugly, fills up the 54 draw, so your read is pretty important here knowing if either of them could have raised/called w/ that hand. obv. they didnt have it or they would have beat you into the pot when you pushedthird, you have a couple options on the turn, you can go for a weak lead if you think the players are the type to call down. also you can check behind and hope to induce a bluff or maybe let them improve their hand a bit... obv this is a tad dangerous because it gives the board a chance to put a 4 straight on the board, plus it may let a higher pp catch up, but im not going to be too worried about the 5, the main worry would be letting them set up, so a broadway river would be worrisome.one thing i do know, is i do not like the push really...what was your line of thought here? it made me think of a PLO addage i learned when first studying it, on the river, dont POT it when you have the nuts, because you are forcing them to play good poker, you are saying i have the best hand and you have to call all these chips because of that. i think this is perfectly applicable in this situation, i think the only way you're getting more value here is a 1. small "call me" bet, or checking behind and hoping you induce a bluff/value bet from high pp...take what i say w/ a grain of salt though, i've never played a 10k buy in tourney, the highest NL game i've ever played consistently is 1/2 nl

[Dratj 0]

i think here it all depends on your image, unfortunately, that flop is SUPER dry. unless there was a flush draw or something, it's going to be pretty clear you have a monster. have you been raising and RR'ing a bunch? this is a time that a laggy image helps out a lot. as it's played, the only way you even have a chance to extract a little more value if at all is to hum and mull over the call for a minute or two and try to rep a pair like JJ or QQ talking themselves into an overcall.secondly the turn card is somewhat ugly, fills up the 54 draw, so your read is pretty important here knowing if either of them could have raised/called w/ that hand. obv. they didnt have it or they would have beat you into the pot when you pushedthird, you have a couple options on the turn, you can go for a weak lead if you think the players are the type to call down. also you can check behind and hope to induce a bluff or maybe let them improve their hand a bit... obv this is a tad dangerous because it gives the board a chance to put a 4 straight on the board, plus it may let a higher pp catch up, but im not going to be too worried about the 5, the main worry would be letting them set up, so a broadway river would be worrisome.one thing i do know, is i do not like the push really...what was your line of thought here? it made me think of a PLO addage i learned when first studying it, on the river, dont POT it when you have the nuts, because you are forcing them to play good poker, you are saying i have the best hand and you have to call all these chips because of that. i think this is perfectly applicable in this situation, i think the only way you're getting more value here is a 1. small "call me" bet, or checking behind and hoping you induce a bluff/value bet from high pp...take what i say w/ a grain of salt though, i've never played a 10k buy in tourney, the highest NL game i've ever played consistently is 1/2 nl

I think the weak lead is a good idea as long as I'm aware that I might get rivered and felted.

[showstopper24 0]

how did you finish in this event?

[Zach6668 513]

how did you finish in this event?

out of the money.

[Dratj 0]

170th or so out of 497.

[GrinderMJ 0]

Dratj- With these stack sizes, and action to you (assuming your villains are competent) any action you make at this point pretty much gives away the fact that you have a big hand (usually 333 or 222) so it's a pretty meh spot that you usually won't stack your opponents in. Best bet is to raise to like 11-12k and hope somebody goes nuts with aa-qq

[yourboygsarida 0]

either repop the flop or gamboooool and check the turn. worst case you get screwed and best case one of them decides a stab looks nice when that ace comes down and you either stack them/at least get a little more out of the hand. unless one of them has a bigger pair( from the flop and turn action i really dont think so) then you should be fairly safe.

[Briguy 0]

You have about 16000 before the flop action starts, with about 8500 in the pot when the bet gets to you? Your opponents know that you are pot committed if you do anything short of folding: smooth call, raise, pick your nose. Just go all-in on your flop action and hope somebody goes insane and reads the move as weak.What was the purpose of asking for a chip count? I'm not razzing, I'm genuinely curious.

[simo_8ball 1]

You have about 16000 before the flop action starts, with about 8500 in the pot when the bet gets to you? Your opponents know that you are pot committed if you do anything short of folding: smooth call, raise, pick your nose. Just go all-in on your flop action and hope somebody goes insane and reads the move as weak.

QFT

What was the purpose of asking for a chip count? I'm not razzing, I'm genuinely curious.

I'd like to know that as well.

[benhoug 0]

either repop the flop or gamboooool and check the turn. worst case you get screwed and best case one of them decides a stab looks nice when that ace comes down and you either stack them/at least get a little more out of the hand. unless one of them has a bigger pair( from the flop and turn action i really dont think so) then you should be fairly safe.

I agree here. Overcalling on the flop is the worst you could have done for your action.

[dkelloway 0]

I check the turn to deny the opponent information about my hand, kinda like what Negreanu did to that Aussie guy in the WSOP when he said "quick, what is it, pocket 4's or pocket 6's"