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When I watch racing, every once n a while there is an accident so bad that it breaks the in-car camera that is sending pictures out. They show the replay.... The car is heading for the wall, heading for the wall, then it reaches the wall..... black.What happens to the camera?.... It is dead. Does it have an afterlife?Nope, it is burried in the ground where it slowly rots into dust.
So, you are no better than a camera. Your value, is less than a camera. From now on, whenever you speak, I will ignore you as less than a camera. How much do you want to bet that the average atheist questions his beliefs alot more on his deathbed then the average christian? How about your life? That seems appropriate.
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So, you are no better than a camera. Your value, is less than a camera. From now on, whenever you speak, I will ignore you as less than a camera. How much do you want to bet that the average atheist questions his beliefs alot more on his deathbed then the average christian? How about your life? That seems appropriate.
well, except we're cameras with the ability to have intelligent though.the last sentence is meaningless. the motives for there to be a god while you're on your deathbed are obviously extremely strong. people don't realize there is a god while on their deathbed, they just really hope so.
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So, you are no better than a camera.
Not what I said. I said the same thing happens to us when we die...... we simply stop working.I have value in that there are people that would be sad if I were to die. They'd collectivly do a lot more to save me than they would a camera.
How much do you want to bet that the average atheist questions his beliefs alot more on his deathbed then the average christian? How about your life? That seems appropriate.
When my mom was young, she was raised Christian. As she grew up, she came to realize it was just a bunch of ancient mythology.When she was 40 she got colon cancer. During this time a lot of friends and family gave her a lot of books... and yeah, she was questioning (which I consider a good thing).... Be a freethinker. Question EVERYTHING all the time.After a year of the cancer ravaging her body, she was on deaths door step. She was having a conversation with my grandmother about religion. There, on death's door step, it was her opinion that all these mythologies were nice stories, but being a nice story was no reason to believe them true.So, questioning is not a bad thing. It is a GREAT thing. Being convinced that a lie is truth, and letting that lie blind you is the bad thing.BTW: yes, she died. As for there not being any atheists in a foxhole... well, I'm an atheist and I've been in a foxhole, and I was an atheist while in a foxhole.I've also almost died from a burst appendix that I didn't bother to go to the hospital with for a couple dasy. While on the verge of death, I still was an atheist.I think Christians have a much greater fear of death than do atheists. I think Christians like to pretend they have this SUPER strong belief, yet in the back of their minds they still have some doubt.... That doubt just might land them in hell..... Scary.I have no fear of death because I know I'm not going to hell, since the place does not exist.
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Not what I said. I said the same thing happens to us when we die...... we simply stop working.I have value in that there are people that would be sad if I were to die. They'd collectivly do a lot more to save me than they would a camera.When my mom was young, she was raised Christian. As she grew up, she came to realize it was just a bunch of ancient mythology.When she was 40 she got colon cancer. During this time a lot of friends and family gave her a lot of books... and yeah, she was questioning (which I consider a good thing).... Be a freethinker. Question EVERYTHING all the time.After a year of the cancer ravaging her body, she was on deaths door step. She was having a conversation with my grandmother about religion. There, on death's door step, it was her opinion that all these mythologies were nice stories, but being a nice story was no reason to believe them true.So, questioning is not a bad thing. It is a GREAT thing. Being convinced that a lie is truth, and letting that lie blind you is the bad thing.BTW: yes, she died. As for there not being any atheists in a foxhole... well, I'm an atheist and I've been in a foxhole, and I was an atheist while in a foxhole.I've also almost died from a burst appendix that I didn't bother to go to the hospital with for a couple dasy. While on the verge of death, I still was an atheist.I think Christians have a much greater fear of death than do atheists. I think Christians like to pretend they have this SUPER strong belief, yet in the back of their minds they still have some doubt.... That doubt just might land them in hell..... Scary.I have no fear of death because I know I'm not going to hell, since the place does not exist.
Very little "False" hope in going to heaven is a happier view than no hope at all.
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Very little "False" hope in going to heaven is a happier view than no hope at all.
Honestly, what's your point. You're going all over this board saying how athiests are "pessimistic" and are "unhappy." Okay, fine. So what? Does that make them wrong? Does this make those who believe in an afterlife right?If anything, it gives a motive for why one would invent the concept of an afterlife. Now please stop bringing it up, it's meaningless.
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Honestly, what's your point. You're going all over this board saying how athiests are "pessimistic" and are "unhappy." Okay, fine. So what? Does that make them wrong? Does this make those who believe in an afterlife right?If anything, it gives a motive for why one would invent the concept of an afterlife. Now please stop bringing it up , it's meaningless.
It makes them ignorant. Only ignorant people hold onto pessimistic beliefs. My point is to help them understand they are ignorant so they can live happier lives.No. You gonna start crying now?
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i think that might need some clarification.
Having pessimistic views makes people less happy then having optimistic views. It is foolish to hold pessimistic views because you are taking away your own happiness. Only ignorant people choose to take away their own happiness. Atheists on this board think they are smarter than Christians, but they are the ones who hold less happy beliefs.
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Having pessimistic views makes people less happy then having optimistic views.
wrong. even if you were right though, a view is only 'pessimistic' or 'optimistic' if the positive and negative outcomes are equally likely. they are relative terms, not absolute ones. assuming any positive view is 'optimistic' is simply willful ignorance.most of us do not believe that afterlife or no afterlife is an equally likely scenario, therefore picking the 'negative' side is not pessimistic.
It is foolish to hold pessimistic views because you are taking away your own happiness. Only ignorant people choose to take away their own happiness. Atheists on this board think they are smarter than Christians, but they are the ones who hold less happy beliefs.
Most of that assumes the above, that atheistic views are pessimistic, which by definition, they are not.And the last point is laughable. Christians are happier than people with atheistic views? Is that a scientific fact?I have agnostic/atheistic views, and I am extremely happy. If I had Christian views, I would feel ignorant, dogmatic and unhappy. I would be frustrated that I was inefficiently increasing the happiness in my current life in hopes of increasing happiness in some afterlife, that might or might not exist.
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wrong. even if you were right though, a view is only 'pessimistic' or 'optimistic' if the positive and negative outcomes are equally likely. they are relative terms, not absolute ones. assuming any positive view is 'optimistic' is simply willful ignorance.most of us do not believe that afterlife or no afterlife is an equally likely scenario, therefore picking the 'negative' side is not pessimistic.Most of that assumes the above, that atheistic views are pessimistic, which by definition, they are not.And the last point is laughable. Christians are happier than people with atheistic views? Is that a scientific fact?I have agnostic/atheistic views, and I am extremely happy. If I had Christian views, I would feel ignorant, dogmatic and unhappy. I would be frustrated that I was inefficiently increasing the happiness in my current life in hopes of increasing happiness in some afterlife, that might or might not exist.
Ok then. I will fix my post:Having negative views makes people less happy then having positve views. It is foolish to hold negative views because you are taking away your own happiness. Only ignorant people choose to take away their own happiness. Atheists on this board think they are smarter than Christians, but they are the ones who hold less happy beliefs.
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Ok then. I will fix my post:Having negative views makes people less happy then having positve views. It is foolish to hold negative views because you are taking away your own happiness. Only ignorant people choose to take away their own happiness. Atheists on this board think they are smarter than Christians, but they are the ones who hold less happy beliefs.
better, but still subject to the same problems.mainly, pascal's wager suggests that you can't choose to have negative or positive opinions, since they are false if the goal of them is to be happy, as opposed to accurately representing your opinion.also, the entire statement depends on the italicized statement, which you've not proven at all.
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also, the entire statement depends on the italicized statement, which you've not proven at all.
I think the main point of his argument is this:"Having negative views makes people less happy then having positve views."I think he is using the ambiguity of the word "negative". Is there an afterlife? No....probably not. "No" would be a negative answer.However, what do I do with that answer? Do I sit around all depressed and hopeless? Do I let the fear of death make my miserable and unhappy?No. I use the knowledge that there is probably no afterlife to make this one enjoyable. I'm not here to "learn what I need to learn". I'm not here for any "purpose" other than the one I choose for myself. I'm here to make the most of this once through that I know for sure I get.
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wow this board got really argumentitive, why, i wasnt trying to start anything just trying to learn, actually i consider myself a christian but im not going to be for long as i dont believe in most of the ideas involved in the bible, the religion i most agree with is Buddism

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I think the main point of his argument is this:"Having negative views makes people less happy then having positve views."I think he is using the ambiguity of the word "negative". Is there an afterlife? No....probably not. "No" would be a negative answer.However, what do I do with that answer? Do I sit around all depressed and hopeless? Do I let the fear of death make my miserable and unhappy?No. I use the knowledge that there is probably no afterlife to make this one enjoyable. I'm not here to "learn what I need to learn". I'm not here for any "purpose" other than the one I choose for myself. I'm here to make the most of this once through that I know for sure I get.
That is not knowledge it is just a belief. Do you have any evidence that would contradict the millions of NDEers?
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That is not knowledge it is just a belief. Do you have any evidence that would contradict the millions of NDEers?
you keep saying this. does the billions of people who have not reported NDE's not contradict it?and yes, we have plenty of evidence, however since you categorically deny all evidence, it seems silly to keep repeating it.
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wow this board got really argumentitive, why, i wasnt trying to start anything just trying to learn, actually i consider myself a christian but im not going to be for long as i dont believe in most of the ideas involved in the bible, the religion i most agree with is Buddism
Hi. This is why the word christianity is at the point where it means almost nothing. If you consider yourself a christian, but don't agree with what is in the bible, guess what? Your not a christian. I consider myself a gun enthusiast, but I don't own a gun, in fact I have never even fired one. I have read books, and I have seen pictures but frankly they scare me a bit so when I go to a gun battle I bring glass bottles of soda and chunk them at my enemy. How was that paragraph any different then yours?
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Hi. This is why the word christianity is at the point where it means almost nothing. If you consider yourself a christian, but don't agree with what is in the bible, guess what? Your not a christian. I consider myself a gun enthusiast, but I don't own a gun, in fact I have never even fired one. I have read books, and I have seen pictures but frankly they scare me a bit so when I go to a gun battle I bring glass bottles of soda and chunk them at my enemy. How was that paragraph any different then yours?
Good point i guess im not a christian anymore then
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Ok then. I will fix my post:Having negative views makes people less happy then having positve views. It is foolish to hold negative views because you are taking away your own happiness. Only ignorant people choose to take away their own happiness. Atheists on this board think they are smarter than Christians, but they are the ones who hold less happy beliefs.
So you're suggesting that we pick our beliefs based on how good they make us feel? Whichever religion spins the nicest yarn gets your vote? Well, for starters, that seems like a pretty silly way to pick your beliefs. Even if it were a reasonable way (which it isn't), what makes you think Christianity is a more positive set of views than atheism. Let's compare:Atheists typically believe we simply cease to exist as self aware entities when we die. Our matter rots, but our consciousness ceases to exist. This applies to all. Rich, poor, humble, greedy, pious, arrogant.Christians believe that those who accept Christ as their savior go to heaven and eternal bliss. Those that dont suffer eternal torment in hell. The vast majority of people on earth are actually hellbound. Babies...on their way to hell because of original sin. A Hindu that devotes his life to helping the poor would go to hell.So, which is the more optimistic beliefe set? That all people cease to exist after death, or that the vast majority of people suffer in hell for an eternity?I trust I've shown you the light.
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I consider myself a gun enthusiast, but I don't own a gun, in fact I have never even fired one. I have read books, and I have seen pictures but frankly they scare me a bit so when I go to a gun battle I bring glass bottles of soda and chunk them at my enemy.
Hey, I live in Phoenix also..... Well, live in Glendale, work in Scottsdale. I own a few guns. Wanna go shooting sometime? No, no.... not shooting at you. Shooting at cans and clays.
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So you're suggesting that we pick our beliefs based on how good they make us feel? Whichever religion spins the nicest yarn gets your vote? Well, for starters, that seems like a pretty silly way to pick your beliefs. Even if it were a reasonable way (which it isn't), what makes you think Christianity is a more positive set of views than atheism. Let's compare:Atheists typically believe we simply cease to exist as self aware entities when we die. Our matter rots, but our consciousness ceases to exist. This applies to all. Rich, poor, humble, greedy, pious, arrogant.Christians believe that those who accept Christ as their savior go to heaven and eternal bliss. Those that dont suffer eternal torment in hell. The vast majority of people on earth are actually hellbound. Babies...on their way to hell because of original sin. A Hindu that devotes his life to helping the poor would go to hell.So, which is the more optimistic beliefe set? That all people cease to exist after death, or that the vast majority of people suffer in hell for an eternity?I trust I've shown you the light.
Lol. Nice last comment. You bring up some very good points. However, Christians believe that if you are in hell it is your own fault. Most all Christians believe they are going to heaven. I can't speak for everyone, but for me, I would much rather spend eternity in eternal bliss than cease to exist.
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I would much rather spend eternity in eternal bliss than cease to exist.
Calendar says I'm turning 40 this February. I hate that. I've stated to turn grey.... just a bit on the temples. I've decided to believe that I'm turning 21. I'd much rather be 21 than 40.Therefore, I'm turning 21 this February.Makes as much sense as believing in an afterlife just because you think that believing a lie makes you happier than someone that accepts the truth.
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Calendar says I'm turning 40 this February. I hate that. I've stated to turn grey.... just a bit on the temples. I've decided to believe that I'm turning 21. I'd much rather be 21 than 40.Therefore, I'm turning 21 this February.Makes as much sense as believing in an afterlife just because you think that believing a lie makes you happier than someone that accepts the truth.
Theoretically yes, but their is scientific evidence showing life after death is a major possibility.
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Hey, I live in Phoenix also..... Well, live in Glendale, work in Scottsdale. I own a few guns. Wanna go shooting sometime? No, no.... not shooting at you. Shooting at cans and clays.
Naw, guns scare me. Wouldn't mind a casino trip one one of these days, though.
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