River Rat 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Thought about this alot lately...Tourny bubble is near, and you have 10 BB's left...Would you rather be all in with AK or 22? Personally id rather AK because a bigger stack is going to call in a lot of situations with Ax, where one of the over cards will kill your 22...Any insight from you guys?? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 AK.Not close. Link to post Share on other sites
IQCrash 1 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 AK - AINEC Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Is AA an option?I pick AK, just because you can counterfeit his deuces, and we all know that's a barrel of laughs. Link to post Share on other sites
kes1981 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 lol donkaments Link to post Share on other sites
showstopper24 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 id go with 22-chances or someone else had an ace or a king Link to post Share on other sites
Clay Aiken 7 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 All in and all aboard!! The spaceship to the outer reaches of the galaxy, what a wonderful trip it shall be!! Truly I say to you, the man who winces at the pain will not understand the silence of eternity!! You ask me where I've been, but I ask you "Where are you going??"I marvel at all I have learned in the short time I was here on earth. I've seen so much pain, but I've seen the laughter too, and isn't it in the laughter of a small child that we are truly reminded of all we've been, every sight we've seen, and the heights to which we will rise?? This I truly and honestly believe. And if in time your soul longs for more, as it does so often, remember the words I spoke on that final night of my stay on this blue and green orb, "That's as far as it goes. It can go no further." Were truer words ever spoken?? Wonderful!! Link to post Share on other sites
Flack_attack 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 All in and all aboard!! The spaceship to the outer reaches of the galaxy, what a wonderful trip it shall be!! Truly I say to you, the man who winces at the pain will not understand the silence of eternity!! You ask me where I've been, but I ask you "Where are you going??"I marvel at all I have learned in the short time I was here on earth. I've seen so much pain, but I've seen the laughter too, and isn't it in the laughter of a small child that we are truly reminded of all we've been, every sight we've seen, and the heights to which we will rise?? This I truly and honestly believe. And if in time your soul longs for more, as it does so often, remember the words I spoke on that final night of my stay on this blue and green orb, "That's as far as it goes. It can go no further." Were truer words ever spoken?? Wonderful!! Link to post Share on other sites
Vertigo 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Let's say you have 22 and they have AK. Or vice versa. Really it doesn't matter since it's pretty much a coinflip.AK is nice to have because calling hands will sometimes be partially counterfeited if they call you with Ax. But either way... Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Let's say you have 22 and they have AK. Or vice versa. Really it doesn't matter since it's pretty much a coinflip.AK is nice to have because calling hands will sometimes be partially counterfeited if they call you with Ax. But either way...That is precisely the reason why AK > 22. There are very few hands that 22 dominiates, I supposed A2-32, but, AK is ahead of a million hands, and dominates a ton of them. Link to post Share on other sites
KoRnholio 2 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 With 22 you are 50% to win at best. A call by any pair and you are dominated with like 20% to win. With AK you are in decent shape against anything but KK and AA. Link to post Share on other sites
All_In 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 if u run 22 vs AK for a large number of hands, 22 wins the majority.does this factor in to the decision? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 if u run 22 vs AK for a large number of hands, 22 wins the majority.does this factor in to the decision?no. Link to post Share on other sites
WallstreetMSU 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 if u run 22 vs AK for a large number of hands, 22 wins the majority.does this factor in to the decision?definitely not Link to post Share on other sites
lordofelt 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 if u run 22 vs AK for a large number of hands, 22 wins the majority.does this factor in to the decision?If you mean 52% of the time then yes 22 wins the "majority" of the time. Otherwise AK is better for all the reasons listed above. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 It depends Link to post Share on other sites
PlzFoldNow 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 It depends No it doesn't. You are never better than something like 55%, but with AK you are almost always a little ahead, way ahead or only slightly behind. With the rare case of being way behind to AA or KK. Link to post Share on other sites
xtxoxpxd 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 i can't believe this thread has so many responses. its seriously like asking "would you rather have AK or AKs?? durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrh. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 i can't believe this thread has so many responses. its seriously like asking "would you rather have AK or AKs?? durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrh.I suppose I see where you are coming from, as in the consensus should be AKs, but that only gives you a small increase in winning chances.AK over 22 isn't even close. Link to post Share on other sites
qyayqi 11 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 i think the problem is in thinking about 22 vs AK where 22 has that slim %age. the question isn't about these hands versus each other, but rather versus a random hand with which someone will want to be all in or put you all in. that 'random hand' pre-supposes a certain amount of strength against which 22 pales & AK at least holds its own. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 i think the problem is in thinking about 22 vs AK where 22 has that slim %age. the question isn't about these hands versus each other, but rather versus a random hand with which someone will want to be all in or put you all in. that 'random hand' pre-supposes a certain amount of strength against which 22 pales & AK at least holds its own.as in AK is 66% vs a random hand while 22 is 50.3%. It's not close. Link to post Share on other sites
qyayqi 11 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 as in AK is 66% vs a random hand while 22 is 50.3%. It's not close.i don't think those %ages apply against a 'random hand' someone will be willing to risk all in near the bubble. it'd be against an upper third or fewer of hands quality-wise. <pondering> but the idea is right. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 i don't think those %ages apply against a 'random hand' someone will be willing to risk all in near the bubble. it'd be against an upper third or fewer of hands quality-wise. <pondering> but the idea is right.still, here's vs a pretty tight range:Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 3,534,195,456 games 4.907 secs 720,235,470 games/secBoard: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 55.0684 % 50.97% 04.10% { AKs, AKo }Hand 2: 44.9316 % 40.83% 04.10% { 22+, ATs+, KQs, ATo+, KQo } and 22 Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 1,571,895,072 games 1.973 secs 796,703,026 games/secBoard: Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 35.8025 % 34.93% 00.87% { 22 }Hand 2: 64.1975 % 63.33% 00.87% { 22+, ATs+, KQs, ATo+, KQo } Still, not close. Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 AK.Not close.QFT Link to post Share on other sites
qyayqi 11 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Still, not close.we're arguing colour of the same side of the coin. but i shall look at pokerstove, i'm liking how you quickly got some numbers where i was just eyeballing that the %ages would be lower but still have ak giving us a chance whereas 22 gets worse and worse (ie, 'pales' as i said).<wandering off to fire up google> Link to post Share on other sites
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