shrimp4789 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Ok so I assume like most of you, you learned the basics of poker via someone else. They said what beat what, what you can do and what you cant....however have most of you read the rules?I want to know where I can find a official rulebook for poker if such one exists. I personally dont know if there is one....but if there is please let me know .thanks Link to post Share on other sites
PMJackson21 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Ok so I assume like most of you, you learned the basics of poker via someone else. They said what beat what, what you can do and what you cant....however have most of you read the rules?I want to know where I can find a official rulebook for poker if such one exists. I personally dont know if there is one....but if there is please let me know .thanks"Robert's Rules of Poker" for basic/cash game play - http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/rules.phpTournament Director's Association (TDA) rules - http://www.thepokerforum.com/tdarules.htm Link to post Share on other sites
RuntCake 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 "Robert's Rules of Poker" for basic/cash game play - http://www.lasvegasvegas.com/poker/rules.phpTournament Director's Association (TDA) rules - http://www.thepokerforum.com/tdarules.htm A clean, direct, informative reply! Wow. Who will derail this now. Link to post Share on other sites
KTW 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 The problems are the same ones that have plagued poker players for eons. Until there is a concrete set of guidelines and the correct utilization and consistency of the use; all with never be right with the poker world. Link to post Share on other sites
TylerSalzman 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 I can tell you that a big cat beats any pair!! but not two pair! Link to post Share on other sites
toddkrit 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 A clean, direct, informative reply! Wow. Who will derail this now.Looks like you. Link to post Share on other sites
mase_gotsem 0 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 you can come play a cash game with me ill tell u as we play . bring alot of money Link to post Share on other sites
yergan 0 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Cardplayer has a lot of articles on interpreting various uncommon situations that arise. There was a "rules/rulings" subheading but the link doesnt work anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
showstopper24 0 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 i think two pair beats thee of a kind Link to post Share on other sites
_Great_Dane_ 0 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Good question. I recently sent the following e-mail to a member of the Tournament Director's Association: I'm under the impression that there is no official rule book for No Limit Hold'em, Limit Hold'em, etc. I feel that there needs to be a printed reference to be used in WSOP & WPT events so that, if a question arises, an official can refer a player to a reliable guide. It would also be great for players to be able to obtain this rule book so that they can become more knowledgeable and not have to learn as they play or by word of mouth. I realize that Bob Ciaffone's "Robert's Rules" is widely acclaimed but can we get something together for tournaments and players that is more of a definitive "rule book?" The inconsistency and incorrect application of rules bothers me greatly. Thanks. And I received the following reply: I agree, the resistance to make a reference guide available to everyone at these events might stem from the realization that it would require the floor staff to learn the rules. It also sets up the opportunity for players to challenge every interpretation of the written rule to the point that a good attorney is needed to protect the decision makers. There are people at work to develop hand held computers with answers to procedural questions, but I know how difficult it will be keeping them current unless it is updated by satellite. Ultimately, the commitment to consistency has to be made at the WPT and WSOP by the tournament officials, I hope they make the effort. I don't feel that this response is a good enough excuse to not get the job done. I'll push for it again when the time is right. I'll be talking to Jeffrey Pollack (commissioner of the WSOP) in the near future. Link to post Share on other sites
AcesUp46 0 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 I don't feel that this response is a good enough excuse to not get the job done. I'll push for it again when the time is right. I'll be talking to Jeffrey Pollack (commissioner of the WSOP) in the near future.It's great that guys like you are actually taking proactive steps to get the powers that be to do something to streamline the game rules. Guys like me just ***** and whine all day. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 i think two pair beats thee of a kindOh, sweet thee of a kindhow so art thou like the moon ... Seriously, it's THREE pair that beats trips, but a set beats three pair. Link to post Share on other sites
shrimp4789 0 Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 thanks for the replies...just needed it because the rules my casino goes by seem a bit off from time to time and just wanted to check for myself before confronting the cardroom manager about it and sounding like a complete idiot.....i assume though with all the replies....this isnt a well "recognised" rule book so to say esp considering danes reply Link to post Share on other sites
umop-apisdn 0 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 thanks for the replies...just needed it because the rules my casino goes by seem a bit off from time to time and just wanted to check for myself before confronting the cardroom manager about it and sounding like a complete idiot.....i assume though with all the replies....this isnt a well "recognised" rule book so to say esp considering danes replyPish - don't bother, every room has that "all floor decision's are final" rule, which invalidates anything you'd find in a rule/handbook. Link to post Share on other sites
shrimp4789 0 Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 figured as much Link to post Share on other sites
_Great_Dane_ 0 Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Pish - don't bother, every room has that "all floor decision's are final" rule, which invalidates anything you'd find in a rule/handbook.Floor people are sometimes wrong. If you know the rules, and a floor person is wrong in a cash game, ask for the poker room manager, or the tournament director for a tournament.I've done it for both and finally gotten the correct rulings. Link to post Share on other sites
shrimp4789 0 Posted October 25, 2006 Author Share Posted October 25, 2006 heh my casino is so small that the floor person is the cardroom manager ah well Link to post Share on other sites
Uppie_ 0 Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 The problems are the same ones that have plagued poker players for eons. Until there is a concrete set of guidelines and the correct utilization and consistency of the use; all with never be right with the poker world.I totatlly disagree. Football the most popular game in america doesn't have a concrete set of guidelines. college one foot thats good not in the NFL and many others. Baseball americas pasttime doesn't even have the same rule through out the Majors. Hockey has different rules and size areas depending on what level and they change from year to year like that stupid trapozid thing. Basketball could the NBA rules be more different the College? So a concret set of guidelines is not all that important.And last i checked every poker room in the USA a str8 still loses to a flush. Link to post Share on other sites
Socrates 0 Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 It's my opinion that the reason there are so many discrepencies is mainly due to all of the new unknowledgeable players. I've seen more issues come up at tables in the last 4 years than I had in the previous 10 years of playing. Link to post Share on other sites
KTW 0 Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 I totally disagree..... (text).....And last i checked every poker room in the USA a str8 still loses to a flush. You are allowed to be wrong. I also never said anything about hand rankings. I guess I should have been more specific but I meant the things/situations/incidents people talk/write about all the time. ie: showdown blunders about showing/not showing etc... Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 You are allowed to be wrong. I also never said anything about hand rankings. I guess I should have been more specific but I meant the things/situations/incidents people talk/write about all the time. ie: showdown blunders about showing/not showing etc...I thought it was obvious that was what you were talking about....Some sort of organization should get together a committee to make CONCRETE rules... but now, I think it comes down to, really, the discretion of where your playing. If they interpret or have a rule a certain way, that is law.Usually, this is a rundown of what I think are binding rules:1. Verbal Declarations are binding.2. Chip movements in front of your cards and releasing is a bet/call/raise.3. You cannot disclose the contents of your hand (this one seems kind of rediculous, I mean if it went to showdown and you were telling the truth and won, do you lose the chips? A time out? Poker is about deceving, and I never really liked this rule.)4. Showing your cards before showdown mucks your hand. (a.k.a. make sure the action is done before flopping over your quad 2's to beat his aces full..)5. OH, and If you put in one chip as a raise, but don't declare it, it's only a call A.K.A. blinds are 1/2 and you want to raise to $5 and throw a $5 chip in, it's only a call because you didn't announce 'raise'. (I've seen that in casino's all the time, Not sure if it's universal.)Just a tidbit of what I consider to be pretty paramount rules... any additions? Link to post Share on other sites
_Great_Dane_ 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Just a tidbit of what I consider to be pretty paramount rules... any additions? http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...=0#entry1487296 Link to post Share on other sites
KTW 0 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Pretty much right on Beaver. It has to be an all or nothing type ruling that is not based and or limited to "where and or when the infraction takes place".#1 is pretty much standard but I have seen problems when the declaration is out of turn and noone seems to know what to do. A declaration of raise out of turn should be the "min" raise based on the previous bet. If the declaration is an "all in" a whole new set of problems arise. Obviously you can't "all in" out of turn. It could; "in theory" if based on a simple "raise declaration" made before him have him put in "more" money than a "min" raise. Of course that's not gonna work. I have not seen this in a tourney setting as I do not play too many.#2 Once the "safe zone/chip organization" area is set make sure you do not go beyond that point. So pretty standard.#3 I have seen this in every level of play from small games to monster tourneys. As long as you lie and not tell the truth that seems to placate everyone. I never say anything about my hand so I never have to think about it.#4 I have never seen that action result in a mucked hand. I have seen it left up to the NTA player.#5 Pretty standard and nothing unusual here. Link to post Share on other sites
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