Ak Hand

[Royal_Tour 0]

just shove the flop and don't worry about it. he's not deep stacked and you should not be getting away from TPTK in these kinda spots, especially at 50nl.go post this on another forum and see what they say if you dont think I have any relevance here.Shoving/raising 60% of this guys stack, should get the picture to him. If he wants to play, it's going to be for his entire stack. He bet out the flop only leaving himself like $30 behind, so w/e, riase to $15, riase to $20, or just push, they essentially are all telling him you want his money in, whether or not you actual push or bet say $20 instead of $10 more that covers him shouldn't matter.this isn't one of those spots where both hero and villian have 200+bb stacks and there is an actual thought process to the hand.- Jordan

No one is questioning anyones relevance.The idea here is to help each other out. Using 50nl and TPTK to justify the push isnt helpfull.for example now (not saying Yorkie would) but a few months down the line we see a post that says "Online is rigged, i cant win etc..." and then people reply with "well stop pushing with TPTK".and we've seen this before. If you cant play AK with a flopped K in 50nl, then good luck trying to play it at 2-4 No limit.If i was in this spot @ 50nl with my current BR, and my style of play, I'd push this on the flop too.But i dont play 50nl, so I'm trying to put it into a 2-4 nl game where my stack would be 390.00 vs villain with 270.00 etc...

[Jordan 1]

No one is questioning anyones relevance.The idea here is to help each other out. Using 50nl and TPTK to justify the push isnt helpfull.for example now (not saying Yorkie would) but a few months down the line we see a post that says "Online is rigged, i cant win etc..." and then people reply with "well stop pushing with TPTK".and we've seen this before. If you cant play AK with a flopped K in 50nl, then good luck trying to play it at 2-4 No limit.If i was in this spot @ 50nl with my current BR, and my style of play, I'd push this on the flop too.But i dont play 50nl, so I'm trying to put it into a 2-4 nl game where my stack would be 390.00 vs villain with 270.00 etc...

uhm, plenty of idiots playing 400nl too. I'm usually not trying to find an excuse to fold TPTK on this kinda board...obvoulsy I look at how opponent has played past hands which goes into my thinking.im just saying, most of the time, you are good here, regardless of what limit youre playing.---although, if you think he has say...a pair + fd and you dont want to gamble..then yes...just call and get the money in on the turn blank...i dont know if that's the line you're suggesting? but that takes have a prior good read on the opponent as well.- Jordan

[Peak01 0]

Simple one guys! You raised preflop he called.You raised his bet on the flop he called.he bets into you AGAINHow much more information you need? Would any of you keep betting into a guy that has raised you like this with any hand that doesn't beat AK?C'mon people!

[tapeworm 0]

Also, does everyone agree with the raise to 15 on the flop? Anyone raise more or smooth call?

I really don't like the raise to $15. The flush draw is getting great odds and you are pretty priced in to call a push on flop, so you are not really getting the info you need to make good decisions later.I would either push on flop like Jordan suggests or just smooth call his flop bet. Given stack sizes, pushing might be better since smooth calling will get you in stranger spots, but basically my decision depends on my read on the type of opponent. If he might be betting with a set but is the kind of guy who will slowdown if the flush comes, then I might just check/call down and lose smallish pot. If I think he is the kinda guy who will semi-bluff flush draws and keep applying pressure on a missed turn then I am more likely to push flop to avoid a tricky turn play. A worse option would be to min raise, but i like the min raise better than a raise to $15So, yeah...what I am trying to say is the $15 raise is your worst option(and I am surprised how many people think its great) and given the way it played out I guess you fold turn? ugg...I hate folding to a smallish bet like that...

[krup24 0]

Simple one guys! You raised preflop he called.You raised his bet on the flop he called.he bets into you AGAINHow much more information you need? Would any of you keep betting into a guy that has raised you like this with any hand that doesn't beat AK?C'mon people!

Anything that goes beyond 1 page here is typically no simpleYour missing one valuable piece info in your statement: Villian limp called UTG. This could be anything.This is KQ or KJ so much its nearly impossible to fold this here. If your properly bankrolled this hand plays itself.

[Fade2241 0]

This is KQ or KJ so much its nearly impossible to fold this here. If your properly bankrolled this hand plays itself on the flop.

FYP

[LongLiveYorke 38]

Jc9c for a pair and flush draw on the flop.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Villain called the flop raise. If villain felt strongly enough about his/her hand why didnt he push after the raise.called 17.00 after the flop now with 20 left.Then leads for 9 on the turn.My thinking now is its possible he/she had A,9 clubs. for mid pair / flush draw./1 over card.... or something similar.the 9 dollar lead out on the turn is just confusing as hell

See, I knew something was up. But thats only cuz i could tell Yorkie would rather get his chips in on the flop and get outdrawn, then get them in on the turn when he is already drawing deadI still think that we should play AK for what it is, TPTK, and not jump to conclusion about investing our chips right away.Lots of people cant fold aces post flop unless there is a 4 card flush out there that they didnt hit. Same sorta shizz with TPTK

[Jordan 1]

Jc9c for a pair and flush draw on the flop.

wow im good.- Jordanlooool

[jimhoff14 0]

off topic. Donkslayer, which site do you play?

[DB10-2 0]

Simple one guys! You raised preflop he called.You raised his bet on the flop he called.he bets into you AGAINHow much more information you need? Would any of you keep betting into a guy that has raised you like this with any hand that doesn't beat AK?C'mon people!

yes. at $50NL these days this can easily be KJ or KQ with a club. through rose colored glasses, that's what we'd be hoping he has, anyway.

[davezz5 0]

the 9 dollar lead out on the turn is just confusing as hell

Its a variation of the value bet. Instead of betting when you believe you have the best hand albeit marginal, in this example you lead out because you know that your opponent will have taken notice of your calling his flop raise and put you on a draw. If you have TPTK in this spot most solid players would be happy to check the hand down? So your opponent trys to sell his hand and get payed off.Also, Some weak players view this as a poor bluff and will often raise. You then have the option of smooth calling and C/R river or leading in to op again.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Its a variation of the value bet. Instead of betting when you believe you have the best hand albeit marginal, in this example you lead out because you know that your opponent will have taken notice of your calling his flop raise and put you on a draw. If you have TPTK in this spot most solid players would be happy to check the hand down? So your opponent trys to sell his hand and get payed off.Also, Some weak players view this as a poor bluff and will often raise. You then have the option of smooth calling and C/R river or leading in to op again.

No, i think what happend is he was up against a donkey. If you try that play at a higher limit for more money, i think it might scare away almost anthing except set, 2 pair and at times TPTK

[Jordan 1]

wow im good.- Jordanlooool

oh, and really really really good looking.- Jordan

[DonkSlayer 1]

off topic. Donkslayer, which site do you play?

I bounce around a lot, after my bonuses clear, between the several sites I get rakeback on. Right now I'm multi-tabling 50max NL and 1/2 Limit SH at Full Tilt, under the handle JsBond.