ButTheyWereSuited.com 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 borgata- atlantic city- $1/$2 NLHE 11pmim in late position , maybe one b4 the cutoff.utg makes it $6 to go all in.(utg has been playing his short stack for 2 hours.. have to figure he is finally at his last $6 and has to push with any 2 overs or any pp.)gets 3 callers. (2 of the callers have average stacks of $200-$250 and arent very aggressive players. the 3rd player i had already deemed him as "mr i cant help myself" as in anytime its checked to him in position he has to raise. anytime its folded to him in position he has to raise. pretty much your standard hyper aggressive young gun.(mind you his stacks were closest to mine at around $500)i look down and see the 9,9. couple thoughts go thru my head here. 1- i can just call as well for the $6 and hope to hit the set. 2- i can muck and not get caught up in this potential **** storm that is brewing here. or 3- i can trust the fact i have been playing solid, pretty much abc poker for the past few hours (my stacks were near $570) and if i make a isolation raise here i should get respected.so with the blinds- $1,$2 and the all in utg $6 and the 3 callers $18 we are at a $27 pot before i get to act. what would you do???? scroll down for what i did and result.ok - so i raised $35 on top of my $6 call figuring unless someone woke up to a monster behind me or the 3 initial callers sneakily played a monster i should watch all fold and be heads up with the $6 utg player.all fold to the 3 callers. 1 fold. 2 folds. and after 3 minutes 'mr i cant help myself' calls the $35 cold.flop comes down- 3s 6s 2c. with now $70 in a side pot and $33 in the main, my opponent chks the flop. i fire out $100. again- after a few minutes, he calls.turn card brings us the Qc. to me thats a scare card. for this player to call my $35, then to call the $100 i have to put him on a hand like AQ maybe even suited spades, or KQ spade, JQ spades. i have to put him on spades because if he didnt flop a set, then how else could he call the $100 cold and not chk raise the flop. much to my surprise he checks the turn. and this is where i really need the second part of advice. all im holding is 9,9. only one over card to my pair. but he could still have flopped a set. or hit his queen based on his calling those 2 rather large bets. so with the $445 i have in front of me and the $325 or so he has in front of him, i feel the safe play is to check. the way the lunatic plays i thoguht if he had spades he woulda called my big bet.anyway- the river brings us a 7s. he checks, i painfully check. and i f;lip up my 99, he declares flush. and flips up J,8ss. the UTG player had 55. and i got run down.key thoughts and questions id like potential adivce on:1. should i have played it much safer pre flop? or was tryin to isolate a good play?2. should i have moved on the turn- pretty sure he was on some sort of spade draw hoping to knock him off? even tho my read told me he was crazy enough to make a call like that on the come?thanks to anyone who takes the time to read this...kevin - buttheyweresuited.com Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I didnt scroll.It depends how my night has been. with potential of being last to act, and a few callers in the pot (pot like u said is 27), i might just opt to call, and look for the set. How much do u plan to bet to iscolate? i think anything less than 30 and you get called by at least 1 player.But with that much in the pot already and with the number of players, a set will be a huge money make, as long as we arent coolered, but thats the breaksOk, now after reading the lower part, i like the fire of 100 after he checks, but when he calls, you have to think something is up. perhaps he called preflop with a big hand, perhaps it was a low PP and he just hit his set.checking behind is fine, its hard to push on the turn after he checks, the way it played out, u cant help but feel like you're getting suckered Link to post Share on other sites
ButTheyWereSuited.com 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Author Share Posted October 12, 2006 I didnt scroll.It depends how my night has been. with potential of being last to act, and a few callers in the pot (pot like u said is 27), i might just opt to call, and look for the set. How much do u plan to bet to iscolate? i think anything less than 30 and you get called by at least 1 player.But with that much in the pot already and with the number of players, a set will be a huge money make, as long as we arent coolered, but thats the breaksplease scroll down..and then give me your thougths. thanks so much by the way for taking this time to read this and comment. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 please scroll down..and then give me your thougths. thanks so much by the way for taking this time to read this and comment.i added it to my previous Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 I don't hate the isolation raise pf given your image at the table you should get some respect and have a chance to pick up some dead money.I like the flop bet as well. I probably check behind on the turn and reevaluate the river. Barring a 9 if villian checks to me on the river I check behind. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Checking the turn is actually a fine move. You're in position and it's a pretty standard move as you play for higher stakes. Aggression is talked about so much but one thing that isn't mentioned as frequently is controlling pot sizes.If you bet the turn, it is going to be hard to make a reasonable bet to protect your hand (if you're ahead) that doesn't commit you to the pot.As you play higher and realize that many more people are tricky and aggressive, when you have AA and bet a board of K82 rainbow and get flat called after leading the flop, you could be in a lot of trouble. Since there aren't really any draws out there, giving a freecard winds up to be a good choice on the turn. If you're in postion, often when hands like this play out, you can check the turn and then when he fires on the river, you just call. It is a way to avoid playing a huge pot with your 1 pair hand.In your case here, after that river card falls, you certainly have to fold to his bet. You have 1 pair (which isn't even top pair) and there is a potential straight and potential flush on the board. he called on the flop with something. By the river, he either has 2 pair, a straight, a set or a flush. Any of those is a reasonable choice.I'd rather see you call preflop I think. Everything after that is just fine. Link to post Share on other sites
ButTheyWereSuited.com 0 Posted October 12, 2006 Author Share Posted October 12, 2006 thank you guys all so much for your intelligent opinions.it is such a pleasure to post on a board and be able to have a reciprocal conversation with like minded or at least similarly educated players.re: the isolation vs no isolation..that i suppose is the age old question ;)pretty much a newbie to this forum, but i feel i will be here for some time coming....thanks again... Link to post Share on other sites
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