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way to stand up proudly behind your newly created anonymous account
+1 LOL I noticed that to, he's talking like he's been here for years but has 3 posts. If you're going to stand up for yourself let everyone know who you are!
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It's ok, I realize you have to put down the U.S. to justify your national identity. I'm sure you would also be the first one to move here, if given the opportunity. But really, you have a government leadership position (prime minister) that is not mentioned in your consitution. Isn't that a bigger joke? Isn't your version of a senate a bigger joke? I suspect you didn't have a straight face when you typed that.
Who says we have to put down the U.S. to justify our national identity? You are just generalizing people. Not everyone is anti-American you know. I don't like U.S. politics. And I certainly don't like Canadian politics either. Either way, I can complain about both if I feel the need to do so. I have a great respect for some things the U.S. stands for, and I don't agree about some other things. I feel the same way about Canada. I'm proud to be Canadian and wouldn't have it any other way, but it doesn't mean I walk around saying "I'm not American."
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Who says we have to put down the U.S. to justify our national identity? You are just generalizing people. Not everyone is anti-American you know. I don't like U.S. politics. And I certainly don't like Canadian politics either. Either way, I can complain about both if I feel the need to do so. I have a great respect for some things the U.S. stands for, and I don't agree about some other things. I feel the same way about Canada. I'm proud to be Canadian and wouldn't have it any other way, but it doesn't mean I walk around saying "I'm not American."
This pretty much sums it up.
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Hi.Do you understand that criticism and opposition is an absolute must to any political system?- ZachPS - I'll be back to answer your reply to my other post about the Canadian system when I have a minute to sit down and write in detail.
absolutely. criticism and dissent by citizens are necessary in a democracy to induce change, not every political system though (like Cuba's for example). However, criticism by foreigners is usually not productive. Did Hugo Chavez's criticism have any effect on the U.S. when he was here a few weeks ago?
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What are you talking about? Daniel lives in the United States. What exactly is it about becoming a US citizen that gives one the right to criticize. Is it the fact that he would pass a test or say the Pledge of Allegiance more?
I dont know if that test thing would work so well. Ever see Jaywalking? I bet a random group of foreigners would have a better chance of passing a test about US history then a random group of our own citizens.
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if you have an overnight houseguest, would you appreciate it if all they did was tell you how you run your household wrong? Espcially if their household was screwed up too?
That's the worst analogy ever. If you have a houseguest, you're letting them stay out of the kindness of your heart, and they're probably not paying you. It's more like a hotel, where anyone is welcome to stay. When you stay at a hotel, and you're paying for it, are you not allowed to complain when something goes wrong? Under your philosophy, I should be telling all the guests that stay in the hotel I work at to shut the hell up. They wanted to stay here, so they have to deal with whatever goes wrong. And you call Canadian politics a joke?(ZING!)
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Any of you Americans tired of these Canadians complaining about the U.S.? DN's Oct. 4th blog is just one example. Complain about our politics? And you're from a country where the office of prime minister, who is the head of the government, is not even mentioned in their constitution. They just kind of made the office up, and since nobody noticed or cared to stop it, the made up office is the head of the government. The leader of the Canadian government is appointed by the queen of England, through the governor general (appointed by the queen). And U.S. politics is a joke?The Canadian government was dominated by the Liberals (one thing Canada has going for it - they call a liberal a liberal) for about the last ten years. They got control of the government in the early 90s by promising to get rid of the GST (the much hated 7% national sales tax). When they got in power, they forgot about this central campaign issue. While they were trying to make Canada a socialist state over the next 10 years, they also were very corrupt and this finally caught up with them in the last few years. Canadians finally just recently got wise and gave them the boot. And U.S. politics is a joke?The Canadian Senate is an appointed body, not elected. So if the ruling party doesn't get what they want through the senate, they just replace them with new appointments. And U.S. politics is a joke?So here we have a county who's head of the government is not even a constitutional office, is appointed by the queen of England, and who long to be just like France. And U.S. politics is a joke? Can anybody from Canada say that with a straight face?And now you complain when the U.S. Government does something that is constitutional? Regulating interstate commerce is absolutely part of our constitution. We follow our constitution. Internet poker was operating in a grey area, simply because the internet did not exist when the wire communications act became law. Our government has regulated gambling since the beginning of our country, this is not new. And a hint to non-Americans, don't try to get Americans to comply with your ideas by saying Europeans have done it (like in DN's blog). This may work in Canada, but not here. For those that do not live close to Canada and are unfamiliar with them, the whole Canadian national identity is “we are not Americans”. Not liberty, freedom, justice, democracy, or even the pursuit of happiness. Just “we are not Americans”. This is why your average Canadian, like DN, is enamored with Europeans. Of course they have to align themselves with the European way of thinking, because “they are not Americans”. So the next time you hear a Canadian complain about something in the U.S., don't take it personally. They have to. By complaining about something in the U.S., it justifies their national identity of “we are not Americans”, even though so many of them come to the U.S. to make a living, like DN.A little hint DN, Americans don't generally take kindly to foreigners coming here and putting us down. Even Diane Feinstein (extreme liberal) defended Pres. Bush when Hugo Chavez was putting him down. You could learn from that.
having lived in both countries for extended periods of time, i can call you incorrect and entirely off base about canadian identity. and taxes in canada pay for health care, largely. it's expensive. seeing a homeless guy get carried into a hospital and knowing that he's going to be cared for was honestly one the best experiences i had during my stay there.and i'm a bit confused as to why being "enamored with europeans" is a bad thing. last i checked, gay people can get married both in many european countries and in canada. pretty big deal in my book. america has a lot to learn.
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+1 LOL I noticed that to, he's talking like he's been here for years but has 3 posts. If you're going to stand up for yourself let everyone know who you are!
sorry, first time I ever posted here. You wouldn't know me if I did tell you my real name.
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absolutely. criticism and dissent by citizens are necessary in a democracy to induce change, not every political system though (like Cuba's for example). However, criticism by foreigners is usually not productive. Did Hugo Chavez's criticism have any effect on the U.S. when he was here a few weeks ago?
Of course. All criticism has effects and all sorts of criticism is necessary. Just ask John Locke. If nothing else, outside criticism forces us to critically examine ourselves instead of just going around puffing our chests. If it reaffirms ourselves, then great. If it forces us to change in some way for the better, then great.Criticism is the gentle nudging and prodding that gets things to fit as they should. Without it we'd be stuck and stale.Also, it sold a lot of Chomsky books.
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Who says we have to put down the U.S. to justify our national identity? You are just generalizing people. Not everyone is anti-American you know. I don't like U.S. politics. And I certainly don't like Canadian politics either. Either way, I can complain about both if I feel the need to do so. I have a great respect for some things the U.S. stands for, and I don't agree about some other things. I feel the same way about Canada. I'm proud to be Canadian and wouldn't have it any other way, but it doesn't mean I walk around saying "I'm not American."
I too am proud to be Canadian. And although not "everyone" is anti-American.....it does truly boggle my mind how much of it exists. I hear it frequently, in casual conversations, etc...whenever something related to the US comes up. It's very real and very widespread. Half the time it seems that people don't even really know why.....they've just jumped on the bandwagon. And I live in Calgary too. :club:GO FLAMES!!!!!
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should I put my real name and address in my user id, like you did? is dead your legal first name?
Huh? Im not making outlandish posts. I didnt just create an id so that I could spout all my ignorant ideas. Your point is moot. Good try though.
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most western nations are semi-benevolent plutocracies, not democracies. with money running the show, it makes sense that the canadian variation on government looks different-- different colours of money.

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last i checked, gay people can get married both in many european countries and in canada. pretty big deal in my book. america has a lot to learn.
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having lived in both countries for extended periods of time, i can call you incorrect and entirely off base about canadian identity. taxes in canada pay for health care, largely. it's expensive. seeing a homeless guy get carried into a hospital and knowing that he's going to be cared for was honestly one the best experiences i had during my stay there.and i'm a bit confused as to why being "enamored with europeans" is a bad thing. last i checked, gay people can get married both in many european countries and in canada. pretty big deal in my book. america has a lot to learn.
Having lived within 20 miles of Canada most of my life, this is my opinion of the Cadadian national identity. Talk to any Canadian for very long, and they will give you some version of that. Talk to most Americans for very long, and the subject of Canada doesn't come up.Canadian health care? So the doctors and nurses going on strike, the hospital bed shortages, long waiting for most medical procedures and doctors leaving for the US at the first opportunity make a good healthcare system?And I guess if gay marriage is your only concern politically, then you would be enamoured with Euporean countries and Canada. Most of the rest of us broke away from Europe fascination, about 200 years ago.
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having lived in both countries for extended periods of time, i can call you incorrect and entirely off base about canadian identity. and taxes in canada pay for health care, largely. it's expensive. seeing a homeless guy get carried into a hospital and knowing that he's going to be cared for was honestly one the best experiences i had during my stay there.and i'm a bit confused as to why being "enamored with europeans" is a bad thing. last i checked, gay people can get married both in many european countries and in canada. pretty big deal in my book. america has a lot to learn.
Ummm, maybe that last part is a bad thing for Mr. USCitizen. While any sane individual would agree with you, there are plenty of people who feel that homosexual marriage is something they should have a say in. As if their opinion is the end-all-be-all for all things. Not to get off tangent here, but the conservative view on gay marriage is befuddling. I just dont get it. I can kinda see where they could argue certain points for abortion, assisted suicide or stem cell research, but I dont understand gay marriage at all. I dont get what they gain by keeping homosexuals from marriage. Do the get extra points with god? I just dont see the advatages.
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Having lived within 20 miles of Canada most of my life, this is my opinion of the Cadadian national identity. Talk to any Canadian for very long, and they will give you some version of that. Talk to most Americans for very long, and the subject of Canada doesn't come up.
your opinion is generally wrong. to be honest, your view of US identity sounds a lot like "i'm not european." not that i ever really got nationalism anyway.
Canadian health care? So the doctors and nurses going on strike, the hospital bed shortages, long waiting for most medical procedures and doctors leaving for the US at the first opportunity make a good healthcare system?
i went to the hospital a couple times while in canada, and i got treated more quickly and better than i ever have in the states. small sample size, but yeah.
And I guess if gay marriage is your only concern politically, then you would be enamoured with Euporean countries and Canada. Most of the rest of us broke away from Europe fascination, about 200 years ago.
honestly, yes, i do think it's the biggest social issue facing america today. moreover, i think it would be the biggest issue at all facing america outside of the lack of universal health care (canada's got that covered) and the fact that the US is rampaging about the world killing people that aren't white.you might disagree. good for you, good for me. we could just as easily disagree in canada, but my gay friends could get married there.
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Having lived within 20 miles of Canada most of my life, this is my opinion of the Cadadian national identity. Talk to any Canadian for very long, and they will give you some version of that. Talk to most Americans for very long, and the subject of Canada doesn't come up.
You have to understand that the USA is very important to Canada, in terms of pretty much every single economic aspect.Given our relative sizes and GDP, etc, it does not work the other way, hence why you see more of it from the Canadian side.It's also well known that Canada is known for being a peaceful nation, etc, which is why we are well respected when we go to foreign countries, but for some reason, when Americans go abroad, they aren't.I wonder why?- Zach
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You have to understand that the USA is very important to Canada, in terms of pretty much every single economic aspect.Given our relative sizes and GDP, etc, it does not work the other way, hence why you see more of it from the Canadian side.- Zach
it does, actually. canada is the largest importer of US goods. go figure. they're industrialized nations right next to each other. :club:
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it does, actually. canada is the largest importer of US goods. go figure. they're industrialized nations right next to each other. :club:
This is true.I didn't mean to say it didn't work the other way 100%. I meant the scale is certainly way off.
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I too am proud to be Canadian. And although not "everyone" is anti-American.....it does truly boggle my mind how much of it exists. I hear it frequently, in casual conversations, etc...whenever something related to the US comes up. It's very real and very widespread. Half the time it seems that people don't even really know why.....they've just jumped on the bandwagon. And I live in Calgary too. :club:GO FLAMES!!!!!
it's friday night...shouldn't you be at Cowboys? or wishing you were in Edmonton?
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This is true.I didn't mean to say it didn't work the other way 100%. I meant the scale is certainly way off.
gotcha, didn't try to correct you, just defending your homeland. :club:
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So how bad would it be if you didnt believe in him?
obviously, not bad at all from the perspective of the person who does not believe, or does believ but chooses to interpret their beliefs differently.whatevers convenient :club:
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