River Bet?

[Jadaki 1]

Texas Hold'em $5-$10 (Real Money), #1,091,293,035 Table Rock Island, 4 Oct 2006 6:32 PM ET Seat 2: BB ($365.35 in chips) Seat 4: UTG ($148.90 in chips) Seat 6: CO ($73.55 in chips) Seat 8: Button ($155.50 in chips) Seat 9: Hero ($112.20 in chips) ANTES/BLINDSHero posts blind ($2.50), BB posts blind ($5).PRE-FLOPUTG calls $5, CO calls $5, Button bets $10, Hero bets $12.50, BB folds, UTG calls $10, CO calls $10, Button calls $5.FLOP [board cards JD,10H,6S ] 6,5 BBHero bets $5, UTG calls $5, CO calls $5, Button calls $5.TURN [board cards JD,10H,6S,5H ] 8.5 BBHero bets $10, UTG folds, CO calls $10, Button calls $10.RIVER [board cards JD,10H,6S,5H,JC ] 11.5 BBHero ???Check or bet river with two villians left in the pot?

[Zach6668 513]

I bet this with JJ.Since I have no idea what you have, although I assume it's QQ-AA, I say bet/call.

[CoranMoran 0]

With my overpair, I play this river in different ways, depending on my opponents.I believe most Villains would have raised me on the flop or turn with their vulnerable Top Pair (Jack).So this leads me to believe that they did not just pass me up on the river.And in that case, I value bet.But if Villains had shown a tendency to passively slowplay all the way to the river, since there are two of them, I would check-call.Against just one lone opponent, I would always bet the river.--CM

[Jadaki 1]

Sorry, when I was copying the hand over I cut out my hand along with the results.Hero = AA

[Sysvr4 0]

I bet and call usually, fold if raised by a really passive player (of which there are few at 5/10).Jeff

[Spence 0]

I bet/call. Might get raised by something w/ a T..but like everything else in poker, read is whats important.

[JMoney2681 0]

I don't like the bet on the flop, every hand in the world is calling you, I would prefer a check raise because by betting you arent' getting a single person to fold, only giving them better pot odds by betting. As far as the river goes...If it is just heads up at showdown I like to bet, if there are 2 callers to the river you might have to check/call.

[Zach6668 513]

I don't like the bet on the flop, every hand in the world is calling you, I would prefer a check raise because by betting you arent' getting a single person to fold, only giving them better pot odds by betting. As far as the river goes...If it is just heads up at showdown I like to bet, if there are 2 callers to the river you might have to check/call.

You can't 3-bet PF and check a flop like that. Bet/3-bet!!1

[JMoney2681 0]

You can't 3-bet PF and check a flop like that. Bet/3-bet!!1

You know that on a 10-J-x board no one is folding. AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ or any other broadway hand either has a pair and/or "overs" with a straight draw. So instead of betting out and giving a possible player holding: 77,88,99 (or any hand for that matter) 14 to 1 on their money, check raise and possibly push them out. At least by check raising you don't give them proper odds to call, but by leading this flop you did nothing, just added more $$ to the pot. By leading this flop you have done nothing, only give each opponent proper oddds to call you with any holding (14 to 1). But by check raising this flop you also make AK, AQ, KQ pay for their hands when they are drawing slim. Making them put in extra bets with hardly any outs. No reason to lead this flop, someone one will bet it for you Guaranteed

[CoranMoran 0]

You know that on a 10-J-x board no one is folding. AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ or any other broadway hand either has a pair and/or "overs" with a straight draw. So instead of betting out and giving a possible player holding: 77,88,99 (or any hand for that matter) 14 to 1 on their money, check raise and possibly push them out. At least by check raising you don't give them proper odds to call, but by leading this flop you did nothing, just added more $$ to the pot.

My thoughts:We don't always need to focus on giving improper odds for opponents to draw out on us.Truth be told, Villains are most likely going to chase here whether we face them with 1 bet or 2.In theory, if our main priority was making sure we win this pot, then we could have simply called preflop to keep the pot small, and then try for the flop check-raise.But this strategy has an obvious downside.It gives up a TON of value.Yes, our flop bet is likely to get called by everyone.But each call is probably money in our pockets right now.If we check this flop, it may even get checked all the way through.This would be horrendously embarrassing, as we just threw away a lot of value and gave everyone a free card.We can never allow this possibility.And since we mysteriously checked the flop after 3betting preflop, and it is likely that Villains will have draws on this board, the chances of it getting checked through are significantly higher.We 3bet preflop for value.We need to bet and 3bet this flop for value too.--CM