rwood 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 This may be stupid, but do they determine your location by IP address? or by registered address? couldnt you just rent a canadian PO box, register a new account with that, get 1 of your bills sent to that box, so that you have a statement showing that address?obv. you could forward your mail from that box to a real address. is this impossible???? Link to post Share on other sites
FatBurger 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 ...seriously? You haven't seen the other threads about this, with people suggesting you rent a Canadian PO box? Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Impossible, it's IP location.You can get re-directed IP's out of Proxy's but I still think eventually they can catch on to the bounced (out of country) IP's.If you google "Proxy" you'll be able to see how they work.Hackers use this type of proxy IP bounce to deture them from there location.What movie was this used in... I'm trying to think of it... I'm pretty sure they did it in Hackers, and like The Web or something like that. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 To rent a PO box in Canada, you need to be a canadian. Link to post Share on other sites
FatBurger 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Impossible, it's IP location.So the US government subpoenas access records from European companies to determine who's playing there? Link to post Share on other sites
....Ian.... 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 get a verizon DSL card in canada. and play in the US. Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 This may be stupid, but do they determine your location by IP address? or by registered address? couldnt you just rent a canadian PO box, register a new account with that, get 1 of your bills sent to that box, so that you have a statement showing that address?obv. you could forward your mail from that box to a real address. is this impossible????i know exactly where you are right now, scary huh? Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 So the US government subpoenas access records from European companies to determine who's playing there?No, they can use different types of software to trace where the original IP is coming from.I'm sure they wouldn't even deal with the "Country" Your bouncing Your IP from, they're looking for the original computers IP.It takes a lot of time and money for the Government to "find" these IP's and what's funny is that it's nearly impossible for them to trace all American based IP's. Link to post Share on other sites
quadaces 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 To rent a PO box in Canada, you need to be a canadian.AND BELIEVE ME NO ONE WANTS TO BE A FU.CKING CANADIAN! Link to post Share on other sites
Cue 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 To rent a PO box in Canada, you need to be a canadian.The local pakistani guy who runs the Mail boxes Etc in my neighbourhood never checked my residency before renting me a P.O. Box that I needed for a home business I was running. And those P.O boxes have real addresses on them and not P.O Box 3456. When I was moving a lot and didn't want to bother changing my licence every few months I just used my P.O box as my residence address. For almost 2 years I was living in that box as far as the DMV and gov't was concerned.It would be extremely easy for US citizens to get them IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 The local pakistani guy who runs the Mail boxes Etc in my neighbourhood never checked my residency before renting me a P.O. Box that I needed for a home business I was running. And those P.O boxes have real addresses on them and not P.O Box 3456. When I was moving a lot and didn't want to bother changing my licence every few months I just used my P.O box as my residence address. For almost 2 years I was living in that box as far as the DMV and gov't was concerned.It would be extremely easy for US citizens to get them IMO.well i worked for Canada post for years as a clerk before finishing University , and I had to check for proper ID to verify.This pakistani guy was not doing his job properly Link to post Share on other sites
Cue 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Impossible, it's IP location.You can get re-directed IP's out of Proxy's but I still think eventually they can catch on to the bounced (out of country) IP's.If you google "Proxy" you'll be able to see how they work.Hackers use this type of proxy IP bounce to deture them from there location.What movie was this used in... I'm trying to think of it... I'm pretty sure they did it in Hackers, and like The Web or something like that.Look to the recording industry to see how they catch people ont he net. Or the child porn busts. It is almost impossible for them to work backwards and find out which American's are playing poker on line. If someone ratted you out then yes they could trace you. But to just canvas...no way.With the recording industry people basically ratted themselves out. They put out there ID with piles of illegal files and a sign saying come and get me. In other instances the recording company put out fake downloads. In the child porn arena the same tactic is used. They need you to go to them and out yourself.If an American chooses to keep playing poker, even if this legislation results in the worst case scenerio, the gov't will not be able to stop them. You will hear of a few high profile arrests at the beginning (just like with downloading) then nothing. Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 This pakistani guy was not doing his job properlyProbably the same guy handing out fake passports to Taliban and putting razor blades in toothpaste tubes. He's in cahoots with Bill Frist I'm pretty sure. Link to post Share on other sites
FourFlusher 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Can't they just make the ISP's block gaming access? Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 i know exactly where you are right now, scary huh?Me too...lemme check my sources right quick...hmm...lets see code:h4x0r0140124d32raa .853.332.101111001010111Looks like he's in Irvine,Ca Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 To rent a PO box in Canada, you need to be a canadian.What if I know a sexy Canadian? Link to post Share on other sites
Hotmark777 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 The dumbest thing about this thread is that it is not even applicable at this time.They only passed the law to force out banks and cc companies, we have been dealing with cc companies not doing it for years. This law just makes it harder to get money on and off the sites. In the future we may have bigger problems but for now, just keep playing.At this point it has nothing to do with you playing, your address OR your IP address.It is not illegal for you to play online Poker!!!!Idiots.And when/IF the time comes, they will pass another law to get the ISP's to block all the gambling sites, So AOL, Cox, Time Warner etc. will just block it and it will be over. They will never come after the individual players, just force companies to stop allowing access.So "In the future, after they get the next law passed" go ahead get your Canadian p.o. box, your provider will still not let you get to the site to play.Read the law, before you spew this crap, understand it first, then speak. Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Look to the recording industry to see how they catch people ont he net. Or the child porn busts. It is almost impossible for them to work backwards and find out which American's are playing poker on line. If someone ratted you out then yes they could trace you. But to just canvas...no way.With the recording industry people basically ratted themselves out. They put out there ID with piles of illegal files and a sign saying come and get me. In other instances the recording company put out fake downloads. In the child porn arena the same tactic is used. They need you to go to them and out yourself.If an American chooses to keep playing poker, even if this legislation results in the worst case scenerio, the gov't will not be able to stop them. You will hear of a few high profile arrests at the beginning (just like with downloading) then nothing.That's why if you're bouncing your IP through a proxy you'll be fine no matter what. It would take a lot to trace it.Good analogy using like the "napster" era of piracy. Most people get hit for mass producing and things of that nature. Usually the little library you have on LimeWire isn't going to attract much attention.Can't they just make the ISP's block gaming access?It's just to far spread to block. They've been taking horse bets and sports bets forever online. It's just impossible to accomplish without millions of dollars. Or Brazillions. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 What if I know a sexy Canadian?u still living with a bunch of cops? Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 The dumbest thing about this thread is that it is not even applicable at this time.They only passed the law to force out banks and cc companies, we have been dealing with cc companies not doing it for years. This law just makes it harder to get money on and off the sites. In the future we may have bigger problems but for now, just keep playing.At this point it has nothing to do with you playing, your address OR your IP address.It is not illegal for you to play online Poker!!!!Idiots.And when/IF the time comes, they will pass another law to get the ISP's to block all the gambling sites, So AOL, Cox, Time Warner etc. will just block it and it will be over. They will never come after the individual players, just force companies to stop allowing access.So "In the future, after they get the next law passed" go ahead get your Canadian p.o. box, your provider will still not let you get to the site to play.Read the law, before you spew this crap, understand it first, then speak.This is more of a "what if" thread. Understand the concept of a thread before you swep your crap all over it. Then YSSCKYS. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Me too...lemme check my sources right quick...hmm...lets see code:h4x0r0140124d32raa .853.332.101111001010111Looks like he's in Irvine,Ca where am I?just curious how close you guys know. Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 where am I?just curious how close you guys know.I'm getting a vision........... you're sitting........ next to a computer............... you're on................I'm seeing it...............................FCP! OMGOMGOMFG.Wait... What happend I blacked out.Was I close? Link to post Share on other sites
ForRealDD 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 where am I?just curious how close you guys know.LOL...I was joking...his location says Irvine, CA... Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 LOL...I was joking...his location says Irvine, CA...Don't you want to say something like, "Well I don't know exactly where you are but do you know it says 'gullible' on the celiling." Ten bucks says he looks up. Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 This may be stupid, but do they determine your location by IP address? or by registered address? couldnt you just rent a canadian PO box, register a new account with that, get 1 of your bills sent to that box, so that you have a statement showing that address?obv. you could forward your mail from that box to a real address. is this impossible????/HijackDid you ask wintermute to teach you Omaha?You don't have to answer this obviously.Just wondering./Hijack Link to post Share on other sites
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